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Wylted's Black Hat Guide to gaining Elo

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1/11/2015 4:41:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
A lot of people wonder how to get a high Elo. Well, here is my no BS guide on getting Elo aka respect on here.

-3500

When you first start out you want to just accept a bunch of debates from purple circles that are basically unwinnable resolutions. Look for people who just joined and take the full 72 hours to post your arguments. 9 times out of 10 they'll just forfeit but when they don't, you can always fall back on the fact, they are debating an impossible resolution.

One thing you want to be aware of is what's called the reverse noob snipe. Occasionally I'll get drunk and come on here and post about 5 seemingly easy, ridiculous debates. Sure about 3 of those were genuinely impossible to win and I did lose but most of the time, I'll win even those. So, try to avoid these reverse noob snipes.

It doesn't take much effort to get to 3500 Elo with this method.

If you want to debate a topic that is tough just for fun, make sure you pick the highest ELO opponent possible, so that when you lose, it doesn't effect your Elo too much.

3500-4500

Now at this Elo range you'll still want to noob snipe on occasion, but that should be a secondary activity to your main strategy.

At this Elo range, you'll want to to target all the really weak noob snipers and people in the 2500-3500 Elo range who got there by facing really bad opponents but are bad debaters themselves. There are plenty at this level, just PM me and I may provide you with a free name and then you can target them for a debate and if they're weak minded enough you can probably get them to debate you a few times. Just keep your eyes peeled for bad debaters at that level.

Some more strategies you'll need to pick up to take you to the next level.

Mini guide to create bias in case you're in a bind and actually manage to lose to any of these weak debaters.

1. Make a lot of friends. Go on G plus hangouts, play mafia PM a lot of people and be a cool guy. Make sure you PM at least 10 people on a regular basis. The bias these friendships create can be invaluable in close debates.

2. Have a bunch of noobs on stand by, that you can request to vote on debates. The very fact you're requesting their vote, will make them biased towards you.

3. If somebody votes on a lot of your debates and typically vote against you, start being a jerk to them in the comment section and really trashing their RFD. When other people see this, they'll be afraid to vote against you and it also may make this guy less inclined to vote against you in future debates.

There are tons of ways to create unfair bias in your favor, be creative and test out new things. Once you've become a master at creating bias and have gotten to 4500 Elo, it's time to become elite and get 9,000 ELO.

4500-9000

You're actually going to have to get into some tough debates at this stage. This is where your bias creating skills come in handy a ton. By now you should have at least 5 people on stand by you can depend on voting in your favor in any debate.

1. Make sure to avoid people good at creating bias. These people will be easy to spot because they are using the same strategy as you.

2. Avoid really popular members, unless they're popular for bad reasons. If that's the case, you can use that bias against them.

3. At this stage, you'll be looking for people in the 3500 to 4500 elo range who suck at debating because they typically just do religious debates or mediocre opponents. These people also haven't put int the work of creating all the bias you have, so they'll be easy pickings.

4. Keep up all the work you put into the prior stage but drop most of the noob sniping. It becomes almost pointless at this point. Also try to get that instigator bonus as often as possible

Bonus strategy for those with no life- Go look at previous debates your opponents have had. If they or anybody before them had debates where the voting period never expires, you can vote bomb a few debates to boost their Elos and help yourself out in the process, You can also look out their opponent's opponent's and continue doing this for infinity.

PART 2- How to make your crappy arguments look good.

1. Rip off a good debater's template.

2. Use graphs and pictures. The pretty colors mixed with some numbers can be confused for legitimate arguments.

3. Cite a lot of studies and copy and paste various quotes from them. You can find studies that back anything you say if you know how to misinterpret what they say and pull the analysis out of context.

4. If you have to just lie about stuff and cite a 249 page document so your opponent has a hard time calling you on your crap.

5. Good researchers usually will have an area where they list their own possible methodological flaws. Use their own admitted flaws against them as if it discredits them.

6. Use the middle of the road, logical fallacy. For some reason people think you're being sensible and have more credibility when using this fallacy.

Bonus technique-

If anybody has any ideals on how to improve this guide to help new members reach the top in an unethical way please share them below and if they're good enough, I'll do a revised version of this, which includes them.
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1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Wait....people actually care about ELO?
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1/11/2015 4:45:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.
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1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO
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1/11/2015 4:46:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:45:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

No, I actually don't
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1/11/2015 4:46:33 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM, Clovis wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO

Which proves it means nothing. Ask anyone, I'm an idiot
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1/11/2015 4:48:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

I mean, it's better than other ranking systems. Not perfect, but better.

I just find this whole thread a bit repulsive for what it suggests--that one should take the easy road to success, vice actually earning it.
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1/11/2015 4:48:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:46:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM, Clovis wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO

Which proves it means nothing. Ask anyone, I'm an idiot

Can confirm, I'm thett3. I'm pretty freaking dumb.
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1/11/2015 4:48:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:46:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM, Clovis wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO

Which proves it means nothing. Ask anyone, I'm an idiot

I'm anyone, and you're no idiot.
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1/11/2015 4:49:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:48:10 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:46:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM, Clovis wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO

Which proves it means nothing. Ask anyone, I'm an idiot

Can confirm, I'm thett3. I'm pretty freaking dumb.

Rofl.
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1/11/2015 4:50:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:48:01 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

I mean, it's better than other ranking systems. Not perfect, but better.

I just find this whole thread a bit repulsive for what it suggests--that one should take the easy road to success, vice actually earning it.

The fact that there is an easy road like this really irritates me. Not too long ago our "too debater" did nothing but rap battle and a kid who debated so poorly a novice in their first tournament could school him was somewhere around the top ten because he noon sniped. At least the old system was so clearly inaccurate the people rarely took it seriously
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: thett was right
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1/11/2015 4:50:55 PM
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That theory doesn't work as well as your selling it to be.
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1/11/2015 4:51:24 PM
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I don't care much about ELO. It takes all the fun out of the way to worry about it. This guide is satire, by the way.
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1/11/2015 4:54:35 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:50:55 PM, lannan13 wrote:
That theory doesn't work as well as your selling it to be.

It would work for you, if you started a new account.
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1/11/2015 4:55:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:50:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:48:01 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

I mean, it's better than other ranking systems. Not perfect, but better.

I just find this whole thread a bit repulsive for what it suggests--that one should take the easy road to success, vice actually earning it.

The fact that there is an easy road like this really irritates me. Not too long ago our "too debater" did nothing but rap battle

I mean, I agree that Mikal shouldn't have been in the top 10. I doubt I should even be there, but at least I do mostly debates against non-noobs or people of average skill or higher.

At least the old system was so clearly inaccurate the people rarely took it seriously

I mean, I think your holding the system to too high a standard of accuracy. Roy, Danielle, Bluesteel, and yourself definitely deserve to be there. Whiteflame will soon be there. That's 5 out of the current 10 that definitely should be in the top of the leaderboard. That's not bad.
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1/11/2015 4:56:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:46:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

No, I actually don't

Such denial.
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1/11/2015 4:57:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:55:13 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:50:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:48:01 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

I mean, it's better than other ranking systems. Not perfect, but better.

I just find this whole thread a bit repulsive for what it suggests--that one should take the easy road to success, vice actually earning it.

The fact that there is an easy road like this really irritates me. Not too long ago our "too debater" did nothing but rap battle

I mean, I agree that Mikal shouldn't have been in the top 10. I doubt I should even be there, but at least I do mostly debates against non-noobs or people of average skill or higher.

No you probably should

At least the old system was so clearly inaccurate the people rarely took it seriously

I mean, I think your holding the system to too high a standard of accuracy. Roy, Danielle, Bluesteel, and yourself definitely deserve to be there. Whiteflame will soon be there. That's 5 out of the current 10 that definitely should be in the top of the leaderboard. That's not bad.

Yes yes you're right. It's definitely a lot better now that STALIN is gone, too
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: thett was right
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1/11/2015 4:58:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:56:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:46:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

No, I actually don't

Such denial.

Well I have to get to sleep at night somehow /:
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: thett was right
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1/11/2015 5:02:19 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:58:48 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:56:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:46:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

No, I actually don't

Such denial.

Well I have to get to sleep at night somehow /:

You ok, dude?
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1/11/2015 5:04:56 PM
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At 1/11/2015 5:04:01 PM, Beginner wrote:
You guys are like rich kids comparing each others' bank accounts. :D

You're right. They should measure penis length instead.
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1/11/2015 5:11:45 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:57:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:55:13 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:50:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:48:01 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

I mean, it's better than other ranking systems. Not perfect, but better.

I just find this whole thread a bit repulsive for what it suggests--that one should take the easy road to success, vice actually earning it.

The fact that there is an easy road like this really irritates me. Not too long ago our "too debater" did nothing but rap battle

I mean, I agree that Mikal shouldn't have been in the top 10. I doubt I should even be there, but at least I do mostly debates against non-noobs or people of average skill or higher.

No you probably should

Or not...

At least the old system was so clearly inaccurate the people rarely took it seriously

I mean, I think your holding the system to too high a standard of accuracy. Roy, Danielle, Bluesteel, and yourself definitely deserve to be there. Whiteflame will soon be there. That's 5 out of the current 10 that definitely should be in the top of the leaderboard. That's not bad.

Yes yes you're right. It's definitely a lot better now that STALIN is gone, too

Lol...very true.
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1/11/2015 5:13:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 5:04:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 5:04:01 PM, Beginner wrote:
You guys are like rich kids comparing each others' bank accounts. :D

You're right. They should measure penis length instead.

Lol...
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1/11/2015 5:15:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/11/2015 4:46:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:45:47 PM, Clovis wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

Says the guy with 5000+ ELO

Which proves it means nothing. Ask anyone, I'm an idiot

And I have a penis.
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1/11/2015 5:15:39 PM
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At 1/11/2015 5:04:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 5:04:01 PM, Beginner wrote:
You guys are like rich kids comparing each others' bank accounts. :D

You're right. They should measure penis length instead.

But... umm... *self-conscious*... umm... My penis size is hard to measure. :<
It's invisible and intangible. :O
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I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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Me~
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MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

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1/11/2015 6:05:46 PM
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At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.
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1/11/2015 6:07:07 PM
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At 1/11/2015 5:04:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/11/2015 5:04:01 PM, Beginner wrote:
You guys are like rich kids comparing each others' bank accounts. :D

You're right. They should measure penis length instead.
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1/11/2015 6:39:10 PM
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At 1/11/2015 6:05:46 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

I wasn't aware
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1/11/2015 6:45:52 PM
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At 1/11/2015 6:39:10 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 6:05:46 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 1/11/2015 4:44:12 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait....people actually care about ELO?

You do, and you know it.

I wasn't aware

Such denial.
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