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A way to fix the "debates" problem

Logical-Master
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10/4/2008 9:36:09 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
1) It is quite likely that many debaters simply don't have enough imagination to create topics. Thus, debaters who do have imagination but don't feel like debating should be able to submit debates into the challenge area. That way, two debaters who wish to play the roles of PRO and CON but don't have much of an imagination will freely be able to debate without one of them being forced to think up the topic on their own.

2) More importantly, it is obvious that many debaters don't wish to be the instigator in debates. This is simply because the instigator has the harder job (more often than not) when it comes to winning the debate given that the debate always ends with the contender rebutting all of the instigator's arguments. Thus, I have somewhat of a solution that can help deter this problem.

In addition to the usual debate rounds debaters have in a debate, there should be an extra round titled as the "Closing Round." In this round, neither debater continues to rebut the other. Rather, both debaters inform their audience as to why they won the debate based on the previous rounds.

For instance, if debater A and debater B spend 3 rounds debating, then in the fourth round of debater A, debater A will tell the audience why he/she won based on the actual content of the previous 3 rounds. Afterward, debater B will tell the audience why he/she won based on the content of the previous 3 rounds.

I believe this shall help deter the overbearing "fear" of the "last word" that instigators may have as the debate won't simply end with the contender rebutting everything the instigator has stated (which I believe is often the reason the contender wins debates on this site).

Discuss. I shall be more than happy to clarify on either of the two above methods if needed.
Logical-Master
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10/4/2008 9:41:39 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Just to be clear. Both debaters do NOTHING more than post closing statements in the closing round. If either debater tries to rebut the other, voters should be given the incentive vote against the debater who violates this rule.
s0m31john
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10/4/2008 9:42:55 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I see users taking advantage of "why I won" round. Using to to post arguments and not why the won.

One way to fix this would be to have it so the "why I won" rounds are not posted until bother debaters have done that round. Once both debaters have submitted their "why I won" round, they will become viewable and the debate would move onto voting.
Logical-Master
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10/4/2008 9:47:33 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 9:42:55 AM, s0m31john wrote:
I see users taking advantage of "why I won" round. Using to to post arguments and not why the won.

One way to fix this would be to have it so the "why I won" rounds are not posted until bother debaters have done that round. Once both debaters have submitted their "why I won" round, they will become viewable and the debate would move onto voting.

Good idea john. Yeah, neither debate should be allowed to see what the other said.
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10/4/2008 11:23:59 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I can think of two objections off the top of my head.

1) The average debatedotcomer would not understand what is going on.
2) Phil already has a lot on his plate. Programming something like that would take a long time, and will postpone other more-important features.
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brittwaller
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10/4/2008 11:39:16 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. There's no rush on Phil to do it, so you needn't worry.
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LR4N6FTW4EVA
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10/6/2008 3:34:55 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/4/2008 11:23:59 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
I can think of two objections off the top of my head.

1) The average debatedotcomer would not understand what is going on.
2) Phil already has a lot on his plate. Programming something like that would take a long time, and will postpone other more-important features.

Is it your goal to find a reason why every thread is bad idea? Just wondering.
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10/6/2008 4:46:12 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/6/2008 3:34:55 AM, LR4N6FTW4EVA wrote:
Is it your goal to find a reason why every thread is bad idea? Just wondering.

Not at all. It's just that many ideas I've seen are overly-complicated and not thought-through. I've given my support to many ideas.
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10/6/2008 5:00:47 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Uh... Just tell these scaredy cats to do what I do. Use the comments to continue the debate! :D
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Wayne
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10/6/2008 5:05:56 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
I agree with some1john's idea, as well as Logical's concern.

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OberHerr
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3/25/2012 11:24:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Bump.
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3/25/2012 11:30:01 PM
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At 3/25/2012 11:24:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Bump.

What in the hell?
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3/25/2012 11:31:50 PM
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At 3/25/2012 11:30:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/25/2012 11:24:43 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Bump.

What in the hell?

What? It's an important issue!
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