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7/4/2010 12:26:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/3/2010 10:46:26 PM, kevin1110 wrote:
Here is the topic.
should the u.s. make military draft mandatory?
i need the help for cons. give me some kind of resource please.

but den it our argument not urs
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7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties
It is expensive to train all of the soldiers
It causes civil unrest
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7/5/2010 9:06:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties
It is expensive to train all of the soldiers
It causes civil unrest

you fool
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7/6/2010 12:43:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties
It is expensive to train all of the soldiers
It causes civil unrest

Not to mention it violates the 13th Amendmet (Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime... shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.) The draft is basically illegal.
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7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

It is expensive to train all of the soldiers

So let's abolish the military then if it's expensive.

It causes civil unrest

So do a lot of things. But it's better than being invaded, eh? You get pillaging, raping, looting, razing AND civil unrest, as well as lots of dead people.
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7/6/2010 1:26:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

Volunteer armies still exist. Conscription isn't the sole means of fighting dictatorship.

Additionally, the draft is the equivalent of fighting slavery to a foreign power with slavery to a domestic power.

It is expensive to train all of the soldiers

So let's abolish the military then if it's expensive.

Yeah, the "it's expensive" argument is stupid.

It causes civil unrest

So do a lot of things. But it's better than being invaded, eh? You get pillaging, raping, looting, razing AND civil unrest, as well as lots of dead people.

This can happen with a conscripted army, also. And, given the fact that conscripted forces are, on the whole, less effective than volunteers, these costs may well be increased.
mongeese
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7/6/2010 1:54:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

If a dictatorship tried to invade America, you'd see plenty enough volunteers. However, what justification is there for politicians in Washington to send young men to Vietnam without their permission?
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7/6/2010 2:25:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 1:26:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

Volunteer armies still exist. Conscription isn't the sole means of fighting dictatorship.

But in a last gasp scenario where you need to conscript to avoid your country being overrun, and cannot guarantee the goodwill of volunteers?


Additionally, the draft is the equivalent of fighting slavery to a foreign power with slavery to a domestic power.

It causes civil unrest

So do a lot of things. But it's better than being invaded, eh? You get pillaging, raping, looting, razing AND civil unrest, as well as lots of dead people.

This can happen with a conscripted army, also. And, given the fact that conscripted forces are, on the whole, less effective than volunteers, these costs may well be increased.

Conscripted soldiers < Volunteer Soldiers. I understand that. But what I'm saying is given no other option in defence of your country, conscription is warranted.
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7/6/2010 2:26:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 1:54:02 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

If a dictatorship tried to invade America, you'd see plenty enough volunteers.

The scenario I'm giving is that there aren't enough volunteers to provide an adequate defence from invasion.

However, what justification is there for politicians in Washington to send young men to Vietnam without their permission?

None. Of course, I never mentioned fighting a foreign war did I?
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Cody_Franklin
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7/6/2010 4:30:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 2:25:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:26:29 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

Volunteer armies still exist. Conscription isn't the sole means of fighting dictatorship.

But in a last gasp scenario where you need to conscript to avoid your country being overrun, and cannot guarantee the goodwill of volunteers?

If it's a "last gasp", and all rights are on the line, you won't be short volunteers.


Additionally, the draft is the equivalent of fighting slavery to a foreign power with slavery to a domestic power.

It causes civil unrest

So do a lot of things. But it's better than being invaded, eh? You get pillaging, raping, looting, razing AND civil unrest, as well as lots of dead people.

This can happen with a conscripted army, also. And, given the fact that conscripted forces are, on the whole, less effective than volunteers, these costs may well be increased.

Conscripted soldiers < Volunteer Soldiers. I understand that. But what I'm saying is given no other option in defence of your country, conscription is warranted.

No it isn't. The government's obligation to protect rights is unconditional. If it tries to tell you that it must violate your rights in order to protect them, it's not foreign aggressors you ought to be worried about.
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7/6/2010 5:16:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/6/2010 2:26:33 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:54:02 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/6/2010 1:02:45 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/5/2010 3:01:49 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I can't resist

It violates our civil liberties

They mean f*ck all if a dictatorship invades though.

If a dictatorship tried to invade America, you'd see plenty enough volunteers.

The scenario I'm giving is that there aren't enough volunteers to provide an adequate defence from invasion.

Then raise public awareness. If the people aren't willing to fight, perhaps they want the current government to be overthrown.

However, what justification is there for politicians in Washington to send young men to Vietnam without their permission?

None. Of course, I never mentioned fighting a foreign war did I?

Ah-hah.

Well, when's the last time we had a domestic war?
The Civil War.
And that wasn't even to defend against a dictatorship.
Well, actually, it was, for the South.