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2/3/2015 9:43:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This post refers to a recent debate by DK and Emilrose, found here: http://www.debate.org... Specifically, I want to talk about this comment, made by Mikal:

"I take full responsibility. I noted if anyone else tried to cvb last min i would have the debate swing. 3 votes came in so, blame me.

its amazing how a 5 point debate swings this hard over this elitism things about votes. I hope every stfus about it now and leaves it alone, because having people throw up 1 second votes to try and offset "bad" votes is just sht

Its always nice to level the playing field."


In the last 20 seconds of the debate, DK, who had been winning for days on end, lost a closely contest round, due in large part to Mikal soliciting votebombs on Emilrose's behalf. What is truly so deplorable about Mikal's actions is that DDO has a system for removing biased or bad votes. In a word, that system is Airmax. He removes votes that were poorly cast or failed to justify their decisions. Even so, most of the vote bombs in this debate were not cast against Emilrose, as Mikal claimed, but against DK. There is a vast disparity in vote quality between the two sets of voters. But, perhaps even more pernicious, was that Mikal did not merely seek to equalize the debate, but to give Emilrose a win over DK just because he felt DK got unfair votes. The whole purpose of a CVB is to equalize, not to "swing it the other way." Frankly, Mikal crossed a massive line.

Personally, I find this to be a banworthy offense--it is beyond contemptuous.
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2/3/2015 9:45:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I believe (at least) a temp-ban is in order...
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2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?
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2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.
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2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

if you dont like it sorry, but that deserved a fair level especially with votes declaring they would vote later in an attempt to steal a win.

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2/3/2015 9:49:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.

I just gave Airmax a PM I got from Mikal.
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2/3/2015 9:49:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.

To what end?
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2/3/2015 9:50:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Also punishment will go both ways

I have pms where he was asking people to vote last min as well

with votes rolling in saying

"RFD later tonight after the debate ends"

Extend the blame both ways. I'll take any punishment that comes my way, but turn about is fair play. If im offsetting bad votes, then it extends both directions.
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2/3/2015 9:53:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:49:59 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.

To what end?

To making Emilrose win.
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2/3/2015 9:55:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Firstly, that is not at all true. Remember my FTO debate with whiteflame, where Raisor cast a vote that said the EXACT same thing? You had no issue with that. Saying that you will write and RFD soon is NOT the same thing as being biased or voting unfairly.

Secondly, Airmax contacted everyone who did that and DEMANDED that they write proper RFDs, so you had NO excuse for what you did anyway.

Thirdly, I don't care if someone was voted for unfairly. That doesn't mean the other side gets an autowin. It means you report the vote, or you CVB to equalize the debate, not to "swing it to the other side." Swining the debate morphs your intent from CVBing to outright votebombing. You were not better than anyone who votebombed DK's debate.

And, you solicited those votebombs out of no regard for who actually won the debate, but only out of a regard for you personal sympathy toward Emilrose.

Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

You went far beyond "leveling the playing field." You circumvented moderator authority and undertook a for of vigilante justice that is no longer tolerated on DDO. The whole reason we have mods is to avoid votebombing wars, and, by circumventing that process, you undermined the legitimacy of the voting process.

And I don't care if you gave a heads up. It was categorically unacceptable and condemnable.

If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

You should go for a few months at least.
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2/3/2015 9:56:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
"im actually asking you to vote for pro

5 points and never repeat it

HEs delib gettign people to vote for him and i want to offset it"

-Mikal, to me, with about 10 minutes left in the voting period
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2/3/2015 9:56:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:49:59 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.

To what end?

He said he could get 30 people to "vote for Pro"... Than mentioned getting 20 people if cvb didn't stop (because you know cvb is my fault <_<)... Than said he was responsible for the last 10 seconds of voting, where I got 10+ updates on votes, all on Pro's behalf.
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2/3/2015 9:58:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:49:59 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:58 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:45:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Wait...what exactly did Mikal do?

He solicited votebombs against DK.

To what end?

He felt that DK got some unfair votes (Emilrose got far more unfair votes than DK, btw.)

So, rather than going to Airmax or reporting the votes, he decided to round up a bunch of twits and votebomb the crap out of DK.

CVBing is designed to EQUALIZE the bad vote to make it as if the bad vote never was cast. Mikal and his cohort did not just equalize, they gave DK the loss. They went beyond the boundaries of acceptability, and gave DK the loss for something that wasn't found in the text of the debate.
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2/3/2015 9:59:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:56:23 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"im actually asking you to vote for pro

5 points and never repeat it

HEs delib gettign people to vote for him and i want to offset it"

-Mikal, to me, with about 10 minutes left in the voting period

Soliciting votes for any particular faction is prohibited by DDO rules.
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2/3/2015 10:00:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:55:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Firstly, that is not at all true. Remember my FTO debate with whiteflame, where Raisor cast a vote that said the EXACT same thing? You had no issue with that. Saying that you will write and RFD soon is NOT the same thing as being biased or voting unfairly.

Secondly, Airmax contacted everyone who did that and DEMANDED that they write proper RFDs, so you had NO excuse for what you did anyway.

Thirdly, I don't care if someone was voted for unfairly. That doesn't mean the other side gets an autowin. It means you report the vote, or you CVB to equalize the debate, not to "swing it to the other side." Swining the debate morphs your intent from CVBing to outright votebombing. You were not better than anyone who votebombed DK's debate.

And, you solicited those votebombs out of no regard for who actually won the debate, but only out of a regard for you personal sympathy toward Emilrose.

Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

You went far beyond "leveling the playing field." You circumvented moderator authority and undertook a for of vigilante justice that is no longer tolerated on DDO. The whole reason we have mods is to avoid votebombing wars, and, by circumventing that process, you undermined the legitimacy of the voting process.

And I don't care if you gave a heads up. It was categorically unacceptable and condemnable.

If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

You should go for a few months at least.

It will go both ways if I am

IF someone vote bombed me like that Id laugh at them. I have been around long enough to know how to deal with it and get it gone, or something in to counter it. There are voting politics on the site whether people admit it or not. Asking someone to vote last min with a pledged vote is the same thing as asking someone to vote for you. Just because you don't directly state it does not change that

That's the same thing I did to level the playing field, and which I did not start. I will be happy to level it out with an unfair disadvantage. When you have 15 point of pledges coming in to steal a win, there is an issue.

Just because someone thinks someone won a debate, does not give them the right to change the outcome of the debate with pledges. I can play that as well, as I did.

Do I regret offsetting the BS...no

I'm just honest about it
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2/3/2015 10:01:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:59:14 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:56:23 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"im actually asking you to vote for pro

5 points and never repeat it

HEs delib gettign people to vote for him and i want to offset it"

-Mikal, to me, with about 10 minutes left in the voting period

Soliciting votes for any particular faction is prohibited by DDO rules.

Yep.
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2/3/2015 10:01:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:55:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Firstly, that is not at all true. Remember my FTO debate with whiteflame, where Raisor cast a vote that said the EXACT same thing? You had no issue with that. Saying that you will write and RFD soon is NOT the same thing as being biased or voting unfairly.

Secondly, Airmax contacted everyone who did that and DEMANDED that they write proper RFDs, so you had NO excuse for what you did anyway.

Thirdly, I don't care if someone was voted for unfairly. That doesn't mean the other side gets an autowin. It means you report the vote, or you CVB to equalize the debate, not to "swing it to the other side." Swining the debate morphs your intent from CVBing to outright votebombing. You were not better than anyone who votebombed DK's debate.

And, you solicited those votebombs out of no regard for who actually won the debate, but only out of a regard for you personal sympathy toward Emilrose.

Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

You went far beyond "leveling the playing field." You circumvented moderator authority and undertook a for of vigilante justice that is no longer tolerated on DDO. The whole reason we have mods is to avoid votebombing wars, and, by circumventing that process, you undermined the legitimacy of the voting process.

And I don't care if you gave a heads up. It was categorically unacceptable and condemnable.

If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

You should go for a few months at least.

Sh*t son leave me out of this
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2/3/2015 10:02:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:01:16 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:55:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Firstly, that is not at all true. Remember my FTO debate with whiteflame, where Raisor cast a vote that said the EXACT same thing? You had no issue with that. Saying that you will write and RFD soon is NOT the same thing as being biased or voting unfairly.

Secondly, Airmax contacted everyone who did that and DEMANDED that they write proper RFDs, so you had NO excuse for what you did anyway.

Thirdly, I don't care if someone was voted for unfairly. That doesn't mean the other side gets an autowin. It means you report the vote, or you CVB to equalize the debate, not to "swing it to the other side." Swining the debate morphs your intent from CVBing to outright votebombing. You were not better than anyone who votebombed DK's debate.

And, you solicited those votebombs out of no regard for who actually won the debate, but only out of a regard for you personal sympathy toward Emilrose.

Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

You went far beyond "leveling the playing field." You circumvented moderator authority and undertook a for of vigilante justice that is no longer tolerated on DDO. The whole reason we have mods is to avoid votebombing wars, and, by circumventing that process, you undermined the legitimacy of the voting process.

And I don't care if you gave a heads up. It was categorically unacceptable and condemnable.

If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

You should go for a few months at least.

Sh*t son leave me out of this

I am not critiquing you...Just using Mikal's acceptance of that vote as part of my case. But, sure, I'll leave you out of it going forward.
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2/3/2015 10:04:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I literally can't understand what Mikal said lol. That's the accent that makes the girls hot.
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2/3/2015 10:06:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Mikal, that is directed at me. Look in the damn comments and see the RFD I spent an hour on.


Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

if you dont like it sorry, but that deserved a fair level especially with votes declaring they would vote later in an attempt to steal a win.


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2/3/2015 10:06:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:04:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I literally can't understand what Mikal said lol. That's the accent that makes the girls hot.

+5 for selling your thread lol
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2/3/2015 10:07:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:00:19 PM, Mikal wrote:

IF someone vote bombed me like that Id laugh at them. I have been around long enough to know how to deal with it and get it gone, or something in to counter it. There are voting politics on the site whether people admit it or not. Asking someone to vote last min with a pledged vote is the same thing as asking someone to vote for you. Just because you don't directly state it does not change that

Do you have evidence that people were asked to vote for DK? Why does that equate to asking someone to explicitly vote for you. Look at Ragnar--he declined to vote at all due to the time crunch. Just because it is last minute, doesn't mean that it is soliciting votebombs.

You, on the other hand, solicited more votebombs than anyone in this whole fiasco. And you didn't just do it implicitly, you did it explicitly.

That's the same thing I did to level the playing field, and which I did not start. I will be happy to level it out with an unfair disadvantage. When you have 15 point of pledges coming in to steal a win, there is an issue.

DK was always winning until a torrent of votebombs came in on Emilrose's behalf. If anyone stole a win, it was her.

And you did far more than level the playing field. That implies you equalized something. You freaking rigged the debate for Pro.

Do I regret offsetting the BS...no

And that is why you are a horrible member of this site.
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2/3/2015 10:08:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:06:39 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Mikal, that is directed at me. Look in the damn comments and see the RFD I spent an hour on.


Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

if you dont like it sorry, but that deserved a fair level especially with votes declaring they would vote later in an attempt to steal a win.


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If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

not just at you

Quite a few rfds came in during the past hour. That is not a targeted focus. It was within 3 points then nearly 5 RFDS come in the last hour saying "im going to vote by midnight" or im going to vote later

no matter how you look at that, its blatantly obvious. I just did the same thing and was honest about it
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2/3/2015 10:09:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:04:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
I literally can't understand what Mikal said lol. That's the accent that makes the girls hot.

Nah mate, girls love my accent. .
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2/3/2015 10:09:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:08:46 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/3/2015 10:06:39 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Mikal, that is directed at me. Look in the damn comments and see the RFD I spent an hour on.


Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

if you dont like it sorry, but that deserved a fair level especially with votes declaring they would vote later in an attempt to steal a win.


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If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

not just at you

Quite a few rfds came in during the past hour. That is not a targeted focus. It was within 3 points then nearly 5 RFDS come in the last hour saying "im going to vote by midnight" or im going to vote later

no matter how you look at that, its blatantly obvious. I just did the same thing and was honest about it

Pretty sure I was the only one who said "12:00 DDO time." My point is, the people who said that actually DID post an RFD, so you going up against that is not fair in this given situation.
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2/3/2015 10:12:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:07:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 10:00:19 PM, Mikal wrote:

IF someone vote bombed me like that Id laugh at them. I have been around long enough to know how to deal with it and get it gone, or something in to counter it. There are voting politics on the site whether people admit it or not. Asking someone to vote last min with a pledged vote is the same thing as asking someone to vote for you. Just because you don't directly state it does not change that

Do you have evidence that people were asked to vote for DK? Why does that equate to asking someone to explicitly vote for you. Look at Ragnar--he declined to vote at all due to the time crunch. Just because it is last minute, doesn't mean that it is soliciting votebombs.

You, on the other hand, solicited more votebombs than anyone in this whole fiasco. And you didn't just do it implicitly, you did it explicitly.

That's the same thing I did to level the playing field, and which I did not start. I will be happy to level it out with an unfair disadvantage. When you have 15 point of pledges coming in to steal a win, there is an issue.

DK was always winning until a torrent of votebombs came in on Emilrose's behalf. If anyone stole a win, it was her.

And you did far more than level the playing field. That implies you equalized something. You freaking rigged the debate for Pro.

Do I regret offsetting the BS...no

And that is why you are a horrible member of this site.

Do I have evidence? When it's a 3 point debate and you have 3 - 5 RFDS saying " I am going to vote later, don't remove this" or something along those lines, its painfully obvious.

I don't need evidence, have max look through pms. I would bet anything, that you will see like 20 messages going on from DK saying.

" Yo this debate is close, blah blah blah"

can you vote on this as I think I won

That is indirectly asking someone to vote for you, and yes it happens and yes I did the same thing.

i'm happy to have offset it
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2/3/2015 10:12:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
He's not even President anymore and he's still being attacked...
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2/3/2015 10:14:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:09:55 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 10:08:46 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/3/2015 10:06:39 PM, dtaylor971 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:46:59 PM, Mikal wrote:
You realize he had 3 or 4 votes come in in the past hour saying

" Dont delete this , i promise to vote by midnight or i promise to vote soon" which the only intent was to make him win upon request.

Mikal, that is directed at me. Look in the damn comments and see the RFD I spent an hour on.


Yeah I am going to offset those. I stated that clearly in the comments as well. I even said if he left it alone I would leave it alone. Yet votes trying to award him a free win came in after I notated that was vigilantism. I leveled the playing field

if you dont like it sorry, but that deserved a fair level especially with votes declaring they would vote later in an attempt to steal a win.


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If thats a ban worthy offense , I go for a few days with a smile lol

not just at you

Quite a few rfds came in during the past hour. That is not a targeted focus. It was within 3 points then nearly 5 RFDS come in the last hour saying "im going to vote by midnight" or im going to vote later

no matter how you look at that, its blatantly obvious. I just did the same thing and was honest about it

Pretty sure I was the only one who said "12:00 DDO time." My point is, the people who said that actually DID post an RFD, so you going up against that is not fair in this given situation.

Not really

the debate is over at a targeted time frame. When your pledging to vote on a debate that is unfinished, that is literally breaking rules as well. AS airmax has always noted, an RFD has to be complete when you post it.

Those votes came in specifically upon request. Which don't care about and it's cool. I'm just saying, I leveled the playing the field
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2/3/2015 10:14:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:12:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
He's not even President anymore and he's still being attacked...
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2/3/2015 10:15:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 10:14:58 PM, carriead20 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 10:12:22 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
He's not even President anymore and he's still being attacked...

Dude I love hate, its chill