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Who is the most convincing debater on DDO?

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2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM
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In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?
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2/10/2015 5:46:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?

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2/10/2015 6:03:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Me! ^_^

I personally think Envisage can be pretty convincing, and his arguments are generally well-structured. Other than that, Mikal when he does a serious debate.
All the time your soul is craving and longing for something else. And in vain does the dreamer rummage about in his old dreams, raking them over as though they were a heap of cinders, looking in these cinders for some spark, however tiny, to fan it into a flame so as to warm his chilled blood by it and revive in it all that he held so dear before, all that touched his heart, that made his blood course through his veins, that drew tears from his eyes, and that so splendidly deceived him!
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2/10/2015 6:06:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:03:33 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Me! ^_^

I personally think Envisage can be pretty convincing, and his arguments are generally well-structured. Other than that, Mikal when he does a serious debate.
All the time your soul is craving and longing for something else. And in vain does the dreamer rummage about in his old dreams, raking them over as though they were a heap of cinders, looking in these cinders for some spark, however tiny, to fan it into a flame so as to warm his chilled blood by it and revive in it all that he held so dear before, all that touched his heart, that made his blood course through his veins, that drew tears from his eyes, and that so splendidly deceived him!
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2/10/2015 6:15:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:03:33 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Me! ^_^

I personally think Envisage can be pretty convincing, and his arguments are generally well-structured. Other than that, Mikal when he does a serious debate.

Yes, he can. I meant like is there a way to calculate official statistics of how many people have changed to agree with a certain debater.
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2/10/2015 6:28:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:15:28 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 2/10/2015 6:03:33 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Me! ^_^

I personally think Envisage can be pretty convincing, and his arguments are generally well-structured. Other than that, Mikal when he does a serious debate.

Yes, he can. I meant like is there a way to calculate official statistics of how many people have changed to agree with a certain debater.

Hmm, likely not officially. You'd have to ask a large number of users on the site to establish who *they* think is the most convincing debater and someone who has made them question their viewpoints on certain topics.
All the time your soul is craving and longing for something else. And in vain does the dreamer rummage about in his old dreams, raking them over as though they were a heap of cinders, looking in these cinders for some spark, however tiny, to fan it into a flame so as to warm his chilled blood by it and revive in it all that he held so dear before, all that touched his heart, that made his blood course through his veins, that drew tears from his eyes, and that so splendidly deceived him!
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2/10/2015 6:38:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
it's me
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2/10/2015 6:40:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:38:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
it's me

Convince me.
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2/10/2015 6:50:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:40:24 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 2/10/2015 6:38:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
it's me

Convince me.

You already knew it was me, you don't need to be convinced
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
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2/10/2015 6:53:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:50:19 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/10/2015 6:40:24 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 2/10/2015 6:38:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
it's me

Convince me.

You already knew it was me, you don't need to be convinced

O.O HOW DA FAWQ DID U KNO DAT??
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2/10/2015 7:37:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Myself. I learn a lot sometimes, but I've just been half assing stuff lately, so it's not working.

I keep accepting debates knowing dam well I don't have time for them.
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2/10/2015 8:34:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I have to vote for MadCornishBiker, he's just so, eloquent:

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2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.
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2/11/2015 12:20:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?

The entire idea that debates are designed to make people change their minds on issues is a problem with this site and its voting. Debate is a game to see who can win, and people are supposed to take sides they don't personally agree with. I'd hate to think my arguments changed people's minds to start agreeing with a position that I strongly *disagree* with.

That said, assuming you were trying to answer the question, it's a tough thing to answer. It's very issue specific: I doubt most people would change their minds on abortion, since it is such a salient issue frought with emotion, whereas anyone who reads a drug decriminalization case and doesn't change their mind on the War on Drug is just an idiot. It shouldn't really matter whose debate you read: danielle's, mine, laissez_faire's, j.kenyon's. It's just an issue that so patently obvious, even though it goes against convention wisdom.

And yeah, besides drug legalization, I haven't read a debate on DDO that changed my mind about anything. Except maybe ADOL's bestiality debates; it did make me rethink whether there is any legitimate basis for punishing that conduct criminally.

Honestly, I think people's own debates should make them change their minds about issues. It's hard to change your mind only from the information contained in a debate, unless your opinion was based on almost no hard facts. It takes more research than just a short debate to change a legitimately held opinion. For example, 16K changed his views on climate change from doing a debate on it. If you really want to learn about an issue, that's a better way to learn than assuming that, e.g., because Roy outclassed some n00b on that issue that he must be right.
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2/11/2015 12:23:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Also, another issue with the site is selection bias: people tend to only want to read debates where they have a strong interest in the topic, which tends to mean they already strongly support one side.

I've seen people check the box that says I changed their mind on the issue. That's great and all, but not really my goal when debating. If I was really going to change someone's mind, a better format would be a real life discussion/cross-examination where I could specifically answer their own personal reasons for opposing my position. A debate is just not conducive to that: you don't know the judges' own personal reasons and arguments for supporting the side they do, so you could never hope to predict those and answer them in a debate.
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2/11/2015 12:24:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 8:34:58 PM, imabench wrote:
I have to vote for MadCornishBiker, he's just so, eloquent:

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2/11/2015 2:53:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 12:23:50 AM, bluesteel wrote:
Also, another issue with the site is selection bias: people tend to only want to read debates where they have a strong interest in the topic, which tends to mean they already strongly support one side.

I've seen people check the box that says I changed their mind on the issue. That's great and all, but not really my goal when debating. If I was really going to change someone's mind, a better format would be a real life discussion/cross-examination where I could specifically answer their own personal reasons for opposing my position. A debate is just not conducive to that: you don't know the judges' own personal reasons and arguments for supporting the side they do, so you could never hope to predict those and answer them in a debate.

You changed my mind on our roller coaster debate. Although that was more convincing me that my side was wrong as I was actually willing to debate either side and me realizing not to write resolutions that are slanted against myself.
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2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.
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2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P
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2/11/2015 10:41:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P

That's a lie actually. I have when I have done debates, but I've never read a debate and switched
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2/11/2015 12:03:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P

well usually when I do change a stance because of a debate it's because my initial stance wasn't very well developed
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2/11/2015 12:11:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 10:41:09 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P

That's a lie actually. I have when I have done debates, but I've never read a debate and switched

What changed your mind on that fact? :-p
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2/11/2015 12:12:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?

I think the moast convincing debater would be Mhykiel
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2/11/2015 12:14:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 12:12:49 PM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
At 2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?

I think the moast convincing debater would be Mhykiel

lol
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2/11/2015 12:15:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 12:14:45 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 2/11/2015 12:12:49 PM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
At 2/10/2015 5:43:33 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
In the old voting system where you can put in who you agreed with before and after the debate... which debater on DDO has made the most people change their minds? Is there a way to calculate this?

I think the moast convincing debater would be Mhykiel

lol

I pulled a member's name ex culo. I dont actually think that
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2/11/2015 12:31:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
In forms of structure Aaron , on a general basis zaradi. Zaradi can have no fuking idea what he is talking about and make it come off so condescending that you instnalty believe him.

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Matt = wtf are you talking about, just no. Its actually green but when then suns yellow rays hit it, it gives off a translucent blue tone due to the radiation that goku spilled out beating cell. Sources stfu I'm right

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2/11/2015 12:33:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/10/2015 6:03:33 PM, Emilrose wrote:
Me! ^_^

I personally think Envisage can be pretty convincing, and his arguments are generally well-structured. Other than that, Mikal when he does a serious debate.

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2/11/2015 12:55:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 12:11:32 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 2/11/2015 10:41:09 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P

That's a lie actually. I have when I have done debates, but I've never read a debate and switched

What changed your mind on that fact? :-p

I stopped denying climate change when I did a debate in favor of it
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/11/2015 1:02:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/11/2015 12:55:52 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 12:11:32 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 2/11/2015 10:41:09 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 10:40:17 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/11/2015 9:01:16 AM, Genghis_Khan wrote:
At 2/10/2015 8:43:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Myself ;D

Nah I really think probably bluesteel, thett3, and RoyLatham.

I haven't read many of thett3's debates but definitely bluesteel and roy. They're debates actually make me change my stances on things.

I have never actually changed my stance becaus of a debate :P

That's a lie actually. I have when I have done debates, but I've never read a debate and switched

What changed your mind on that fact? :-p

I stopped denying climate change when I did a debate in favor of it

You should do a debate Pro on "The Court reached the right outcome in Windsor."

You should really read that case (and a bit more about the factual background) and then tell me what you think about gay marriage.
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