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3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Child Rape/Porn
Incest
Bestiality
Mutilation
Torture
Burning At Stake

These are all topics/statements which arouse out natural disgust response. Disgust has been found to play a fundemental causal role in our values, and even our political stances. People who experience naturally greater disgust are more likely to be conservative for example.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Thus comes to the subject of DDO. I have done a couple of child rape debates, one general rape debate and one debate on incest. Without exception, debates that involve rape attract massive rebuke from DDO members, including respected high profile members. However whenever it is pointed out to them that the resolution is no worse than for example:

"Nuking Iran is a good idea"
Vs.
"Muhummad raping Aisha was a good idea"

The latter will without question generate orders of magnitude greater rebuke, despite the former obviously having much more significant moral comsiderations. The latter would be a likely candidate for being removed on DDO, despite airmax's admittedly generous policy, while the former would have absolutely no chance of being removed.

Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

A more relative example is in animal rights. Naturally, pet owners are generally going to be heavily against the killing of [insert preferred animal here], however Cows and Pigs without question have comparable/greater intelligence than the vast majority of pets,meet we do not see campaigns to stop the killing of these, nor would most pet owners consistently scale their rebukes to such animals.

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.
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3/15/2015 4:13:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You were making some good points, but I think you probably lost some people on that last line.
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3/15/2015 4:18:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest
Bestiality
Mutilation
Torture
Burning At Stake

These are all topics/statements which arouse out natural disgust response. Disgust has been found to play a fundemental causal role in our values, and even our political stances. People who experience naturally greater disgust are more likely to be conservative for example.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Thus comes to the subject of DDO. I have done a couple of child rape debates, one general rape debate and one debate on incest. Without exception, debates that involve rape attract massive rebuke from DDO members, including respected high profile members. However whenever it is pointed out to them that the resolution is no worse than for example:

"Nuking Iran is a good idea"
Vs.
"Muhummad raping Aisha was a good idea"

There's some merit to your criticism here. Somehow we are more disgusted with the idea that someone in our city got raped than with the idea of killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.


The latter will without question generate orders of magnitude greater rebuke, despite the former obviously having much more significant moral comsiderations. The latter would be a likely candidate for being removed on DDO, despite airmax's admittedly generous policy, while the former would have absolutely no chance of being removed.

Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

A more relative example is in animal rights. Naturally, pet owners are generally going to be heavily against the killing of [insert preferred animal here], however Cows and Pigs without question have comparable/greater intelligence than the vast majority of pets,meet we do not see campaigns to stop the killing of these, nor would most pet owners consistently scale their rebukes to such animals.

Dogs are companion animals. We raise pigs for meat. It's not really comparable. And people would object to cruelty to livestock if it served no purpose. The issue is that many of the things that people say are cruel actually serve an important purpose. Chickens need to have their beaks clipped or they will peck each other to death. They are vicious little buggers.


Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Um, what?
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3/15/2015 4:31:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace [...] a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

No.
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3/15/2015 4:31:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:31:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace [...] a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

No.
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3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.
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3/15/2015 4:36:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:31:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:31:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace [...] a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Tone it down there Bill Cosby
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3/15/2015 4:40:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:36:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:31:50 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:31:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace [...] a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Tone it down there Bill Cosby

LOL
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3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.
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3/15/2015 4:44:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I have masterbated to 3 of your debates.
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3/15/2015 4:46:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:18:49 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest
Bestiality
Mutilation
Torture
Burning At Stake

These are all topics/statements which arouse out natural disgust response. Disgust has been found to play a fundemental causal role in our values, and even our political stances. People who experience naturally greater disgust are more likely to be conservative for example.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Thus comes to the subject of DDO. I have done a couple of child rape debates, one general rape debate and one debate on incest. Without exception, debates that involve rape attract massive rebuke from DDO members, including respected high profile members. However whenever it is pointed out to them that the resolution is no worse than for example:

"Nuking Iran is a good idea"
Vs.
"Muhummad raping Aisha was a good idea"

There's some merit to your criticism here. Somehow we are more disgusted with the idea that someone in our city got raped than with the idea of killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.


The latter will without question generate orders of magnitude greater rebuke, despite the former obviously having much more significant moral comsiderations. The latter would be a likely candidate for being removed on DDO, despite airmax's admittedly generous policy, while the former would have absolutely no chance of being removed.

Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

A more relative example is in animal rights. Naturally, pet owners are generally going to be heavily against the killing of [insert preferred animal here], however Cows and Pigs without question have comparable/greater intelligence than the vast majority of pets,meet we do not see campaigns to stop the killing of these, nor would most pet owners consistently scale their rebukes to such animals.

Dogs are companion animals. We raise pigs for meat. It's not really comparable. And people would object to cruelty to livestock if it served no purpose. The issue is that many of the things that people say are cruel actually serve an important purpose. Chickens need to have their beaks clipped or they will peck each other to death. They are vicious little buggers.

Fair enough, it does skip over the cost-benefit portion.


Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Um, what?

Yeah.. it wasn't such a great idea to mix trolling with something serious...
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3/15/2015 4:47:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:44:53 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I have masterbated to 3 of your debates.

its spelt 'masturbated' you honky uncultured stale end piece of white bread
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

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3/15/2015 4:49:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:47:26 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:44:53 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I have masterbated to 3 of your debates.

its spelt 'masturbated' you honky uncultured stale end piece of white bread

I am not the expert you are, but I'll keep practicing.
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3/15/2015 4:51:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I've just looked through your debates, and 85% of them are about religion. There's one supporting hitler, one eugenics, one about sex with a child, one about burning at the stake and one about killing women who have been raped. Which of these actually challenge your biological responses?
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3/15/2015 4:51:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:44:53 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I have masterbated to 3 of your debates.

Which three?
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3/15/2015 4:52:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:51:16 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I've just looked through your debates, and 85% of them are about religion. There's one supporting hitler, one eugenics, one about sex with a child, one about burning at the stake and one about killing women who have been raped. Which of these actually challenge your biological responses?

Most are on another account/deleted.
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3/15/2015 4:53:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:51:52 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:44:53 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I have masterbated to 3 of your debates.

Which three?

Killing rape victims, child rape and one of the ones on the Problem of Evil.
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3/15/2015 4:57:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:52:59 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:51:16 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:43:03 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:36:03 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

If your discussions and debates led to profound decision making (or anything profound), then you'd be right. But it's like saying, why should we prefer music to the sound of loud, scraping metal? Why let what we like dictate our actions? I thought that ran contrary to your philosophy of nihilism - that we should ONLY consider what we like (I may have got that wrong).

Actually this applies to virtually any moral philosophy, nihilism is rather irrelevant, and "my philosophy" of nihilism is just nihilism, I adopt other philosophies in addition to it (e.g. collectivist egoism) but they wouldn't be regarded as "nihilism".

But you said that you like discussing rape and child rape in particular, and so you are letting your biological responses dictate your actions, and unless I've misunderstood you (very likely), you're being hypocritical here.

It's very true, I did deliberately make some debates on those topics for this exact reason, to challenge biological responses. Not hypocritical at all.

Moreover I never argued that all biological responses shouldn't play a role, and the philosophies I adopt are *entirel* centres about what one subjectively finds preferable, however this OP is addressing a very superficial, yet very influential one, which clearly dictates much more than it's fair share.

I've just looked through your debates, and 85% of them are about religion. There's one supporting hitler, one eugenics, one about sex with a child, one about burning at the stake and one about killing women who have been raped. Which of these actually challenge your biological responses?

Most are on another account/deleted.

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3/15/2015 5:04:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
I'm underage and an going to enjoy it for as long as I can.
Rape however is something I consider a crime.
AND ALL CRIMINALS MUST BE PUNISHED!
Incest
Idgaf
Bestiality
Idgaf
Mutilation
I'm all for it as a punishment
Torture
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Burning At Stake
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3/15/2015 5:05:39 PM
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And only idiots want things nuked. Especially countries allied to Russia.
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3/15/2015 5:41:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest

Yeah, the fact that so many people get more upset over a debate on whether people should be allowed to hump sheep than they would over a debate on whether or not to it's morally permissible to vaporize millions of innocent people is quite troubling. We shouldn't be blacklisting any topic just because it makes us feel icky.
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3/15/2015 7:11:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'll generally agree that murder is always worse than rape, and murder is more disgusting than rape. Genocide is also worse than rape. Nuking civilians is also worse than rape. But, society gets more offended about rape than genocide because rape is something that's closer to them. People are a lot more likely to know, and empathize with someone who has been sexually abused than, for example, a refugee from Darfur who escaped a band of child soldiers who were using machetes to cut off the limbs of people who they didn't like. Genocide, to most people, is horrible... but it's horrible on a "conceptual" not "personal" level. There is no empathy that the average, ordinary person has with regard to genocide victims.... except maybe people whose parents or grandparents fled the Nazi's in WWII. But, that's why people react differently. Again, that doesn't make it ok to have rape battles.
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3/15/2015 7:15:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 5:41:20 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest

Yeah, the fact that so many people get more upset over a debate on whether people should be allowed to hump sheep than they would over a debate on whether or not to it's morally permissible to vaporize millions of innocent people is quite troubling. We shouldn't be blacklisting any topic just because it makes us feel icky.

There is a difference between the claim that some topics just should not be discussed in the way that they are generally discussed by Envisage, Wylted and company, and the claim that a topic is by its nature verboten.

I don't have an issue with people debating whether incest should be legal, whether child porn should be criminalized, etc. What I have an issue with is treating these topics as if they are indistinguishable from slapstick comedy, or appropriate for slapstick comedy, which is what Wylted and Envisage do.
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3/15/2015 7:29:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest
Bestiality
Mutilation
Torture
Burning At Stake

These are all topics/statements which arouse out natural disgust response. Disgust has been found to play a fundemental causal role in our values, and even our political stances. People who experience naturally greater disgust are more likely to be conservative for example.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Thus comes to the subject of DDO. I have done a couple of child rape debates, one general rape debate and one debate on incest. Without exception, debates that involve rape attract massive rebuke from DDO members, including respected high profile members. However whenever it is pointed out to them that the resolution is no worse than for example:

"Nuking Iran is a good idea"
Vs.
"Muhummad raping Aisha was a good idea"

The latter will without question generate orders of magnitude greater rebuke, despite the former obviously having much more significant moral comsiderations. The latter would be a likely candidate for being removed on DDO, despite airmax's admittedly generous policy, while the former would have absolutely no chance of being removed.

Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

A more relative example is in animal rights. Naturally, pet owners are generally going to be heavily against the killing of [insert preferred animal here], however Cows and Pigs without question have comparable/greater intelligence than the vast majority of pets,meet we do not see campaigns to stop the killing of these, nor would most pet owners consistently scale their rebukes to such animals.

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

It's not so much that people are "too stupid" to realize nukes are bad as it is that we humans have violent tendencies.
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3/15/2015 7:34:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest
Bestiality
Mutilation
Torture
Burning At Stake

These are all topics/statements which arouse out natural disgust response. Disgust has been found to play a fundemental causal role in our values, and even our political stances. People who experience naturally greater disgust are more likely to be conservative for example.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Thus comes to the subject of DDO. I have done a couple of child rape debates, one general rape debate and one debate on incest. Without exception, debates that involve rape attract massive rebuke from DDO members, including respected high profile members. However whenever it is pointed out to them that the resolution is no worse than for example:

"Nuking Iran is a good idea"
Vs.
"Muhummad raping Aisha was a good idea"

The latter will without question generate orders of magnitude greater rebuke, despite the former obviously having much more significant moral comsiderations. The latter would be a likely candidate for being removed on DDO, despite airmax's admittedly generous policy, while the former would have absolutely no chance of being removed.

Thus, why the heck are we letting primitive,migration all biological responses dictate what we can and cannot do? Isn't it time we realised that these are just our biological reactions, something to be overcome,mint something to govern profound decision making.

A more relative example is in animal rights. Naturally, pet owners are generally going to be heavily against the killing of [insert preferred animal here], however Cows and Pigs without question have comparable/greater intelligence than the vast majority of pets,meet we do not see campaigns to stop the killing of these, nor would most pet owners consistently scale their rebukes to such animals.

Primitive, and retarded. Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Forgetting your last sentence...

The things listed are personal vs. an action of a nation. That is, I as a individual can be a rapist etc. So, when we talk about these subjects, its easy to be concerned that readers will put the individual action on us personally. When I talk about my nation doing disgusting things, well its more abstract - removed from MY direct responsibility.
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3/15/2015 7:37:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Let's overcome these and embrace more rape debates and a more fertile rape culture. It ain't so bad.

Let the desensitizing of society to depravity begin. It was predicted.
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3/15/2015 7:46:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 7:15:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/15/2015 5:41:20 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest

Yeah, the fact that so many people get more upset over a debate on whether people should be allowed to hump sheep than they would over a debate on whether or not to it's morally permissible to vaporize millions of innocent people is quite troubling. We shouldn't be blacklisting any topic just because it makes us feel icky.

There is a difference between the claim that some topics just should not be discussed in the way that they are generally discussed by Envisage, Wylted and company, and the claim that a topic is by its nature verboten.

I don't have an issue with people debating whether incest should be legal, whether child porn should be criminalized, etc. What I have an issue with is treating these topics as if they are indistinguishable from slapstick comedy, or appropriate for slapstick comedy, which is what Wylted and Envisage do.

I was more referring to societal tendencies at large to skirt certain topics with, on the grand scale, negligible moral impacts while embracing those with catastrophic results. The general fact that people are okay with guffawing about 'turning Iran into a mirror', but then act scandalized when someone brings up incest in an intelligent way.
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3/15/2015 7:50:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/15/2015 7:46:14 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/15/2015 7:15:07 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/15/2015 5:41:20 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/15/2015 4:11:23 PM, Envisage wrote:
Child Rape/Porn
Incest

Yeah, the fact that so many people get more upset over a debate on whether people should be allowed to hump sheep than they would over a debate on whether or not to it's morally permissible to vaporize millions of innocent people is quite troubling. We shouldn't be blacklisting any topic just because it makes us feel icky.

There is a difference between the claim that some topics just should not be discussed in the way that they are generally discussed by Envisage, Wylted and company, and the claim that a topic is by its nature verboten.

I don't have an issue with people debating whether incest should be legal, whether child porn should be criminalized, etc. What I have an issue with is treating these topics as if they are indistinguishable from slapstick comedy, or appropriate for slapstick comedy, which is what Wylted and Envisage do.

I was more referring to societal tendencies at large to skirt certain topics with, on the grand scale, negligible moral impacts while embracing those with catastrophic results. The general fact that people are okay with guffawing about 'turning Iran into a mirror', but then act scandalized when someone brings up incest in an intelligent way.

Well, of all the countries in the middle east to turn into a mirror... Iran is one of the least desirable to meet such a fate... lol... but I digress.

I got your general point. I was adding to it, and especially making a distinction in the context that the OP exists.
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