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3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

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3/30/2015 6:02:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

I think the former is a better approach. But, if you're asking which is factually true, that depends on where you are. Some Napoleonic systems use the latter, while the U.S. uses the former.
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3/30/2015 6:02:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

One more wrong doesn't make a right, you know...

Ask Bluesteel. I'm pretty sure it's innocent till proven guilty, though.
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3/30/2015 6:03:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:02:15 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

I think the former is a better approach. But, if you're asking which is factually true, that depends on where you are. Some Napoleonic systems use the latter, while the U.S. uses the former.

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Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:03:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

Of course, that's my own opinion based on several "guilty" cases.
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3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.
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3/30/2015 6:07:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

I knew I could count on you. *draws you into a deep kiss and stared into your eyes, with my own teary orbs*
I love you.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.
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3/30/2015 6:10:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:07:17 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

I knew I could count on you. *draws you into a deep kiss and stared into your eyes, with my own teary orbs*
I love you.

*kisses you with a surge of passion*
I love you most.
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3/30/2015 6:11:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:10:43 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:07:17 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

I knew I could count on you. *draws you into a deep kiss and stared into your eyes, with my own teary orbs*
I love you.

*kisses you with a surge of passion*
I love you most.

I love you most * infinity <3
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Wylted
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3/30/2015 6:13:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

I know, but we live in a fascist regime because statists keep getting elected. I kinda wish I could afford to move to a free country.
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3/30/2015 6:14:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:13:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

I know, but we live in a fascist regime because statists keep getting elected. I kinda wish I could afford to move to a free country.

But which, in your opinion, is more right?
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:15:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

Not only that, they actually do everything they can to keep you from even going to trial. In the United States I think something like 15% of cases see a trial. Everyone else basically pleads guilty or no contest. Even if they are innocent it just isn't worth the trouble. It sucks that a lot of innocent people are forced to plead guilty (especially the poor), but that's what happens when statists keep getting elected to office.
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3/30/2015 6:17:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:14:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:13:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

I know, but we live in a fascist regime because statists keep getting elected. I kinda wish I could afford to move to a free country.

But which, in your opinion, is more right?

I think people should be innocent until proven guilty. I just wish elected officials in the United States agreed with me.
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3/30/2015 6:18:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:07:17 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

I knew I could count on you. *draws you into a deep kiss and stared into your eyes, with my own teary orbs*

(imagery gone wrong)
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3/30/2015 6:21:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:18:53 PM, RevNge wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:07:17 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:06:04 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:05:32 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:04:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
You ask me like you don't already know my response, Annie dearest. <3

I'd like you to post it here still, for the lurkers to see my love.

Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

I knew I could count on you. *draws you into a deep kiss and stared into your eyes, with my own teary orbs*

(imagery gone wrong)

?
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:23:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Just out of curiousity I wonder how many people on this site of voting age in the United States contributed to the problem I mentioned by either refraining from voting or voting for statists.
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3/30/2015 6:27:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

The Logic here, wow I'm going to need to sit down
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3/30/2015 6:29:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:27:37 PM, 2001bhu wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

The Logic here, wow I'm going to need to sit down

I.E. Is it more logical to beat the shizzle out of someone for being accused of something, or when they're proven to have done it?
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/30/2015 6:41:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:14:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:13:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

I know, but we live in a fascist regime because statists keep getting elected. I kinda wish I could afford to move to a free country.

But which, in your opinion, is more right?

Did you also know that Americans value comfort and security over freedom? In America people will commonly trade bits and pieces of their freedom for comfort and security.

This is why they are all fat and disgusting. They are the ugliest humans on the planet with their extra large slushies, not only are they ugly on the outside, they are ugly on the inside too. They are completely unethical, and shallow thinkers.

Do you know how if a normal person sees a kid starving in the street they give him a loaf of bread? Well in America, a celebrity will designate a color bracelet to wear in support of that kid. Their support doesn't feed him, but they can't look as cool feeding a starving child as they can wearing a fashion accessory.

Don't think that callousness just extends to other countries. After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, people bought American flag bumper stickers, to bring the tensions between Muslim extremists and America to a close.

They actually thought buying an American flag from China would help foreign relations. Little did they know that "loving your neighbor", would've been a more appropriate route to take. Nobody wants to kill you when you pull all your troops from their country, stop supporting their enemies and start giving them hugs. They didn't think of that, though. It is much better to start grabbing everyone's privates when they want to ride a plane and buy some flags.

If you want to know what America is like, I suggest you get ahold of some North Korean propaganda films that have been translated, I have never seen such an accurate depiction in my life, it would almost want to make me hug Kim Jung, if he wasn't worse than the enemy he so accurately portrays.
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3/30/2015 6:43:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This isn't an interesting question because the answer is clear and cannot be debated. Innocent until proven guilty.
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3/30/2015 6:48:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:14:42 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:13:22 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:11:50 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:09:54 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

In America you are guilty until proven innocent. They lock you in jail before your trial and then free you if you are found innocent.

That is moronic.

I know, but we live in a fascist regime because statists keep getting elected. I kinda wish I could afford to move to a free country.

But which, in your opinion, is more right?

I found what I was thinking of. Here is North Korea giving an unbiased view of America https://m.youtube.com...
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3/30/2015 7:02:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:43:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
This isn't an interesting question because the answer is clear and cannot be debated. Innocent until proven guilty.

http://www.alternet.org...
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3/30/2015 7:04:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 6:43:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
This isn't an interesting question because the answer is clear and cannot be debated. Innocent until proven guilty.

I would say it would be more insane to assume no one is guilty of a crime that blatantly was committed than to assume everyone potentially could be guilty for it until proven to have either been in a location or have lacked to motive to have done the crime.

Thus, I would say it is far more rational an approach to assume that everyone is guilty until you can prove they were innocent so as to narrow down who most certainly is guilty of the act that undoubtedly someone must have been.
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3/30/2015 7:09:02 PM
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At 3/30/2015 7:04:07 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:43:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
This isn't an interesting question because the answer is clear and cannot be debated. Innocent until proven guilty.

I would say it would be more insane to assume no one is guilty of a crime that blatantly was committed than to assume everyone potentially could be guilty for it until proven to have either been in a location or have lacked to motive to have done the crime.

Certainly there are exceptions to the rule. For example, someone who is a prime suspect in a spree of serial murders has to be locked up before trial for the safety of everyone else in case he is guilty. The presumption of innocence is a legal principle--ie, it's the states job to *prove* that you *did* commit the crime, not your job to prove that you did *not*. What the question boils down to is who the burden of proof should be on in criminal cases, and the answer is clearly that it belongs to the state. I'll debate anyone who says different.


Thus, I would say it is far more rational an approach to assume that everyone is guilty until you can prove they were innocent so as to narrow down who most certainly is guilty of the act that undoubtedly someone must have been.
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3/30/2015 7:09:15 PM
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At 3/30/2015 5:58:22 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Since this forum is already flooded with spam, one more can't hurt, right?

Is one innocent till proven guilty? Or guilty till proven innocent?

There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court, a plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.
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3/30/2015 7:11:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/30/2015 7:02:07 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/30/2015 6:43:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
This isn't an interesting question because the answer is clear and cannot be debated. Innocent until proven guilty.

http://www.alternet.org...

Yeah, no, I get what you're saying. In this day and age especially we could very easily just put tracking devices on most of these people. Unless you're awaiting trial for an especially violent crime, I think a much better policy is to just insert a tracking device into the people and tell them they're only allowed to go in their homes, work, or a few other places than to lock them in jail.

That or, you know, decriminalizing drugs so our courts aren't so overloaded with people brought in for BS laws.
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"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right