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4/28/2015 12:18:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Cant look em up because youtube is blocked at my school, but I have been keeping up with the news.

Freakin Ferguson 2.0.
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4/28/2015 12:19:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The National Guard was called in yesterday and showed up last night. They have already closed off some areas. Basically, Baltimore is under an undeclared and localized Marshall Law.
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4/28/2015 1:06:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 1:05:29 PM, XLAV wrote:
Whats happening now?

Can an American explain it to me?

Remember Ferguson?
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4/28/2015 1:07:00 PM
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At 4/28/2015 1:05:29 PM, XLAV wrote:
Whats happening now?

Can an American explain it to me?

Black man died in custody of police.
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4/28/2015 1:07:51 PM
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At 4/28/2015 1:06:11 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 4/28/2015 1:05:29 PM, XLAV wrote:
Whats happening now?

Can an American explain it to me?

Remember Ferguson?

Another nigga got shot by white policeman again?
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4/28/2015 1:10:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 1:07:51 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 4/28/2015 1:06:11 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 4/28/2015 1:05:29 PM, XLAV wrote:
Whats happening now?

Can an American explain it to me?

Remember Ferguson?

Another nigga got shot by white policeman again?

Yes, and the cop was voted innocent, so now the hoodlums in Baltimore are running amok burning buildings, looting stores, burning cop cars, assaulting firefighters, harassing the National Guard, and killing/injuring cops.
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"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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4/28/2015 2:09:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 12:19:42 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The National Guard was called in yesterday and showed up last night. They have already closed off some areas. Basically, Baltimore is under an undeclared and localized Marshall Law.

It's *martial*.
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4/28/2015 2:29:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 2:26:58 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Mindless thuggery.

Just want an excuse to live thug life like a wannabe badass mofo.
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4/28/2015 2:32:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Those rioters should be thrown in jail and left there to rot. They have lost their right to live in the public and act like civil beings.
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4/28/2015 3:02:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 2:32:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Those rioters should be thrown in jail and left there to rot. They have lost their right to live in the public and act like civil beings.

It takes a lot more than a few broken windows and a couple cops injured from hundreds to thousands of rioters to lose the right to live.

That said, throwing everyone in prison for being angry is not going to solve anything.
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4/28/2015 3:13:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 3:02:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/28/2015 2:32:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Those rioters should be thrown in jail and left there to rot. They have lost their right to live in the public and act like civil beings.

It takes a lot more than a few broken windows and a couple cops injured from hundreds to thousands of rioters to lose the right to live.

That said, throwing everyone in prison for being angry is not going to solve anything.

You're right, rubber bullets make more impact.
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4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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4/28/2015 3:28:04 PM
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At 4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.

Citizens won't trust the police force until they understand that the majority of law enforcement are regular people who work for the safety of everyone, and it is just a select few that makes the situation fall apart. Someone the protesters respect needs to convey that message.
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4/28/2015 3:30:13 PM
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At 4/28/2015 3:28:04 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.

Citizens won't trust the police force until they understand that the majority of law enforcement are regular people who work for the safety of everyone, and it is just a select few that makes the situation fall apart. Someone the protesters respect needs to convey that message.

Some. Others are products of their environment.
When someone has to choose between a life of crime or starvation, the choice is clear. These people have largely been forced into such action. The closing of schools today (a lot of those children rely on school to eat) was an especially bad decision.
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4/28/2015 3:30:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 3:28:04 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.

Citizens won't trust the police force until they understand that the majority of law enforcement are regular people who work for the safety of everyone, and it is just a select few that makes the situation fall apart. Someone the protesters respect needs to convey that message.
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4/28/2015 3:43:14 PM
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At 4/28/2015 3:30:13 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 4/28/2015 3:28:04 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.

Citizens won't trust the police force until they understand that the majority of law enforcement are regular people who work for the safety of everyone, and it is just a select few that makes the situation fall apart. Someone the protesters respect needs to convey that message.

Some. Others are products of their environment.
When someone has to choose between a life of crime or starvation, the choice is clear.

From these videos they don't seem to be a bunch of Jean Valjeans.

These people have largely been forced into such action.

Which of these the power of justice on their side and which are simply being destructive because there is a temporary gap in law and order?

http://michiganpeaceteam.files.wordpress.com...
http://www.wnd.com...

The black community has destroyed their families. Single parents are highest indicator of poverty. They love to point the finger outwards (and don't get me wrong, there is a lot to point to) however the finger should be pointed inward as the greatest culprit for their current situation. However, in the modern world everyone else is always to blame for our problems, never ourselves.

This is the viewpoint of someone who isn't even American. It is somewhat easier to see when you don't have a pony in the race.
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4/28/2015 4:04:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 3:02:25 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/28/2015 2:32:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Those rioters should be thrown in jail and left there to rot. They have lost their right to live in the public and act like civil beings.

It takes a lot more than a few broken windows and a couple cops injured from hundreds to thousands of rioters to lose the right to live.

He didn't say right to live. And *few broken windows* does a lot to undermine the homes and buildings destroyed beyond livability and burned down, and cars smashed in and destroyed. So does "couple cops injured".

That said, throwing everyone in prison for being angry is not going to solve anything.
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4/28/2015 4:05:57 PM
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At 4/28/2015 3:21:58 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
The National Guard is not the answer here.
The police force of that city (and the city itself) needs to work to regain the trust of its citizens.

Right... Send in a few hundred police against tens of thousands of rioters... They HAD only the police. It failed. The National Guard was sent in because you're idea didn't work.
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4/28/2015 4:14:52 PM
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At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Here are a number of points that have been made about the Baltimore riots that I find interesting.

(1) With only the past few months, there have been a number of high profile police slayings of young black men. Probably the most enraging are the Tamir Rice and Walter Scott shootings. Rice was a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park. Officers arrived and shot him dead. The police report says that they arrived, saw a 20-year old black male, ordered him to put his hands up, he reached in his waist band, so they shot him. The actual video of the incident shows that police shot the boy *immediately* upon exiting their vehicle. No stand down order was given. The kid wasn't even given a chance. [http://www.washingtonpost.com...] Even worse, Walter Scott was a 50-year-old man who was stopped by a police officer in a park due to Scott's failure to pay child support (so there was no indication this guy was even dangerous, based on the crime charged). The officer shot him 8 times in the back as he ran away. At the time, the officer claimed that Scott had stolen his taser and attempted to use it, so the officer shot him. A video taken by a passerby subsequently showed the officer *planting* the taser next to Scott's lifeless body after shooting him in the back. [http://www.slate.com...]

The Baltimore riots are over the death of Freddie Gray, who was arrested for carrying a switchblade and for running from police. Police broke Gray's spine and failed to get him immediate medical attention. The only wrongdoing police are currently admitting to is failing to buckle Gray's seat belt after his back had already been broken.

It's hard at this point to say the anger isn't justifiable. People are trying to instill that "black lives matter." If your only crime is failing to pay child support and you can be shot in the streets, the message is pretty clear that if you are black, police will use the slightest pretense not only to profile you, but to kill you. Same with a switchblade. Plenty of people carry around switchblades. Even nice, sweet GCL has one.

(2) Baltimore police have a particularly problematic legacy of racism, similar to the LAPD. If you watch the show The Wire, it accurately portrays some of this racist legacy.

(3) There were a lot of peaceful protesters out there too, but those don't get shown in the media. There are videos on Twitter of protesters protecting police or linking arms to keep looters out of stores. The media controls the narrative, and the narrative invariably with racial minority protests is that "black culture" is prone to violence and inappropriate responses. In contrast, the narrative when people destroy property after their sports team loses is that there are always bad apples in any large crowd. There's no reason the same narrative shouldn't apply here. While we learn about the Boston Tea Party today as this great act of protest, it wasn't viewed that way at the time by the Founders. The Tea Partiers were seen as a group of bad apples who were expressing their frustration in the wrong way. The same is true of people who tarred and feathered British citizens. While our history books note these events to show how bad the historical frustration was, our Founding Fathers were intellectuals who didn't condone this type of behavior. Yet, today many people revere this destruction of property because it was in favor of a just cause. MLK once wrote that he did not disfavor the destruction of property during protests, in contrast to hurting people, because "[a] life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life, and no matter how much we surround it with rights and respect, it has no personal being." MLK furthered that looting and destruction of property occurs during these protests "[b]ecause property represents the white power structure, which they were attacking and trying to destroy." It's stupid for people to be glorifying MLK and non-violent protests, when he essentially condoned property destruction. It happens. When people are mad at the current system and can't even afford to buy a bunch of candy at the local 7-Eleven, the looting is supposed to shock us and make us realize how minorities feel like the entire system is stacked against them. If the only social order that the protests threatened was police tenure, it wouldn't spur any change because that doesn't affect most of us. Race riots sometimes spur reform, like with the Rodney King beatings, which led to *many* shakeups in the LAPD and federal involvement, partially because the riots threatened the entire social order in LA. As in Ferguson, with a full DOJ report recently issued and major shakeups happening because protesters brought national attention to their city. Should we condone destruction of property? No. Is it so easy to condemn it? Obviously not. Otherwise, the Tea Partiers wouldn't have drawn their namesake from a protest that solely involved the unlawful destruction of property due to people not wanting to pay taxes. If anything, destroying property to protect life should be viewed as more noble than destroying property to protect money from taxation.

Okay, I meant to number that better, but most of the key points are in #3.
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4/28/2015 4:19:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 4:14:52 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Here are a number of points that have been made about the Baltimore riots that I find interesting.

(1) With only the past few months, there have been a number of high profile police slayings of young black men. Probably the most enraging are the Tamir Rice and Walter Scott shootings. Rice was a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park. Officers arrived and shot him dead. The police report says that they arrived, saw a 20-year old black male, ordered him to put his hands up, he reached in his waist band, so they shot him. The actual video of the incident shows that police shot the boy *immediately* upon exiting their vehicle. No stand down order was given. The kid wasn't even given a chance. [http://www.washingtonpost.com...] Even worse, Walter Scott was a 50-year-old man who was stopped by a police officer in a park due to Scott's failure to pay child support (so there was no indication this guy was even dangerous, based on the crime charged). The officer shot him 8 times in the back as he ran away. At the time, the officer claimed that Scott had stolen his taser and attempted to use it, so the officer shot him. A video taken by a passerby subsequently showed the officer *planting* the taser next to Scott's lifeless body after shooting him in the back. [http://www.slate.com...]

The Baltimore riots are over the death of Freddie Gray, who was arrested for carrying a switchblade and for running from police. Police broke Gray's spine and failed to get him immediate medical attention. The only wrongdoing police are currently admitting to is failing to buckle Gray's seat belt after his back had already been broken.

It's hard at this point to say the anger isn't justifiable. People are trying to instill that "black lives matter." If your only crime is failing to pay child support and you can be shot in the streets, the message is pretty clear that if you are black, police will use the slightest pretense not only to profile you, but to kill you. Same with a switchblade. Plenty of people carry around switchblades. Even nice, sweet GCL has one.

(2) Baltimore police have a particularly problematic legacy of racism, similar to the LAPD. If you watch the show The Wire, it accurately portrays some of this racist legacy.

(3) There were a lot of peaceful protesters out there too, but those don't get shown in the media. There are videos on Twitter of protesters protecting police or linking arms to keep looters out of stores. The media controls the narrative, and the narrative invariably with racial minority protests is that "black culture" is prone to violence and inappropriate responses. In contrast, the narrative when people destroy property after their sports team loses is that there are always bad apples in any large crowd. There's no reason the same narrative shouldn't apply here. While we learn about the Boston Tea Party today as this great act of protest, it wasn't viewed that way at the time by the Founders. The Tea Partiers were seen as a group of bad apples who were expressing their frustration in the wrong way. The same is true of people who tarred and feathered British citizens. While our history books note these events to show how bad the historical frustration was, our Founding Fathers were intellectuals who didn't condone this type of behavior. Yet, today many people revere this destruction of property because it was in favor of a just cause. MLK once wrote that he did not disfavor the destruction of property during protests, in contrast to hurting people, because "[a] life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life, and no matter how much we surround it with rights and respect, it has no personal being." MLK furthered that looting and destruction of property occurs during these protests "[b]ecause property represents the white power structure, which they were attacking and trying to destroy." It's stupid for people to be glorifying MLK and non-violent protests, when he essentially condoned property destruction. It happens. When people are mad at the current system and can't even afford to buy a bunch of candy at the local 7-Eleven, the looting is supposed to shock us and make us realize how minorities feel like the entire system is stacked against them. If the only social order that the protests threatened was police tenure, it wouldn't spur any change because that doesn't affect most of us. Race riots sometimes spur reform, like with the Rodney King beatings, which led to *many* shakeups in the LAPD and federal involvement, partially because the riots threatened the entire social order in LA. As in Ferguson, with a full DOJ report recently issued and major shakeups happening because protesters brought national attention to their city. Should we condone destruction of property? No. Is it so easy to condemn it? Obviously not. Otherwise, the Tea Partiers wouldn't have drawn their namesake from a protest that solely involved the unlawful destruction of property due to people not wanting to pay taxes. If anything, destroying property to protect life should be viewed as more noble than destroying property to protect money from taxation.

Okay, I meant to number that better, but most of the key points are in #3.

did you see the video where the caught a guy on horse running and beat him for like 5 mins?

or the one where a guy ran at a traffic light and they shot him 6 times one being a kill shot to the throat as the cop walked over to his body
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4/28/2015 4:19:37 PM
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Look at all the black lives that will never matter or amount to sht.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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4/28/2015 4:25:03 PM
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At 4/28/2015 4:19:36 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 4/28/2015 4:14:52 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Here are a number of points that have been made about the Baltimore riots that I find interesting.

(1) With only the past few months, there have been a number of high profile police slayings of young black men. Probably the most enraging are the Tamir Rice and Walter Scott shootings. Rice was a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park. Officers arrived and shot him dead. The police report says that they arrived, saw a 20-year old black male, ordered him to put his hands up, he reached in his waist band, so they shot him. The actual video of the incident shows that police shot the boy *immediately* upon exiting their vehicle. No stand down order was given. The kid wasn't even given a chance. [http://www.washingtonpost.com...] Even worse, Walter Scott was a 50-year-old man who was stopped by a police officer in a park due to Scott's failure to pay child support (so there was no indication this guy was even dangerous, based on the crime charged). The officer shot him 8 times in the back as he ran away. At the time, the officer claimed that Scott had stolen his taser and attempted to use it, so the officer shot him. A video taken by a passerby subsequently showed the officer *planting* the taser next to Scott's lifeless body after shooting him in the back. [http://www.slate.com...]

The Baltimore riots are over the death of Freddie Gray, who was arrested for carrying a switchblade and for running from police. Police broke Gray's spine and failed to get him immediate medical attention. The only wrongdoing police are currently admitting to is failing to buckle Gray's seat belt after his back had already been broken.

It's hard at this point to say the anger isn't justifiable. People are trying to instill that "black lives matter." If your only crime is failing to pay child support and you can be shot in the streets, the message is pretty clear that if you are black, police will use the slightest pretense not only to profile you, but to kill you. Same with a switchblade. Plenty of people carry around switchblades. Even nice, sweet GCL has one.

(2) Baltimore police have a particularly problematic legacy of racism, similar to the LAPD. If you watch the show The Wire, it accurately portrays some of this racist legacy.

(3) There were a lot of peaceful protesters out there too, but those don't get shown in the media. There are videos on Twitter of protesters protecting police or linking arms to keep looters out of stores. The media controls the narrative, and the narrative invariably with racial minority protests is that "black culture" is prone to violence and inappropriate responses. In contrast, the narrative when people destroy property after their sports team loses is that there are always bad apples in any large crowd. There's no reason the same narrative shouldn't apply here. While we learn about the Boston Tea Party today as this great act of protest, it wasn't viewed that way at the time by the Founders. The Tea Partiers were seen as a group of bad apples who were expressing their frustration in the wrong way. The same is true of people who tarred and feathered British citizens. While our history books note these events to show how bad the historical frustration was, our Founding Fathers were intellectuals who didn't condone this type of behavior. Yet, today many people revere this destruction of property because it was in favor of a just cause. MLK once wrote that he did not disfavor the destruction of property during protests, in contrast to hurting people, because "[a] life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life, and no matter how much we surround it with rights and respect, it has no personal being." MLK furthered that looting and destruction of property occurs during these protests "[b]ecause property represents the white power structure, which they were attacking and trying to destroy." It's stupid for people to be glorifying MLK and non-violent protests, when he essentially condoned property destruction. It happens. When people are mad at the current system and can't even afford to buy a bunch of candy at the local 7-Eleven, the looting is supposed to shock us and make us realize how minorities feel like the entire system is stacked against them. If the only social order that the protests threatened was police tenure, it wouldn't spur any change because that doesn't affect most of us. Race riots sometimes spur reform, like with the Rodney King beatings, which led to *many* shakeups in the LAPD and federal involvement, partially because the riots threatened the entire social order in LA. As in Ferguson, with a full DOJ report recently issued and major shakeups happening because protesters brought national attention to their city. Should we condone destruction of property? No. Is it so easy to condemn it? Obviously not. Otherwise, the Tea Partiers wouldn't have drawn their namesake from a protest that solely involved the unlawful destruction of property due to people not wanting to pay taxes. If anything, destroying property to protect life should be viewed as more noble than destroying property to protect money from taxation.

Okay, I meant to number that better, but most of the key points are in #3.

did you see the video where the caught a guy on horse running and beat him for like 5 mins?

or the one where a guy ran at a traffic light and they shot him 6 times one being a kill shot to the throat as the cop walked over to his body

Nope. Sounds sh!tty tho.

The reality is I watch these videos and know I'll never be put in those situations. I can't imagine watching those videos and thinking, "wow, that could be me."

I mean, don't run from the police. That's stupid. But d@mn.
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4/28/2015 4:27:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 4:25:03 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 4/28/2015 4:19:36 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 4/28/2015 4:14:52 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 4/28/2015 12:16:53 PM, Mikal wrote:
These are just some of the uncut videos I found and I thought it was interesting to see

(1) https://www.youtube.com...
(2) https://www.youtube.com...
(3) https://www.youtube.com...
(4) https://www.youtube.com...
(5) https://www.youtube.com...
(6) https://www.youtube.com...
(7) https://www.youtube.com...

Here are a number of points that have been made about the Baltimore riots that I find interesting.

(1) With only the past few months, there have been a number of high profile police slayings of young black men. Probably the most enraging are the Tamir Rice and Walter Scott shootings. Rice was a 12 year old boy playing with a toy gun in a park. Officers arrived and shot him dead. The police report says that they arrived, saw a 20-year old black male, ordered him to put his hands up, he reached in his waist band, so they shot him. The actual video of the incident shows that police shot the boy *immediately* upon exiting their vehicle. No stand down order was given. The kid wasn't even given a chance. [http://www.washingtonpost.com...] Even worse, Walter Scott was a 50-year-old man who was stopped by a police officer in a park due to Scott's failure to pay child support (so there was no indication this guy was even dangerous, based on the crime charged). The officer shot him 8 times in the back as he ran away. At the time, the officer claimed that Scott had stolen his taser and attempted to use it, so the officer shot him. A video taken by a passerby subsequently showed the officer *planting* the taser next to Scott's lifeless body after shooting him in the back. [http://www.slate.com...]

The Baltimore riots are over the death of Freddie Gray, who was arrested for carrying a switchblade and for running from police. Police broke Gray's spine and failed to get him immediate medical attention. The only wrongdoing police are currently admitting to is failing to buckle Gray's seat belt after his back had already been broken.

It's hard at this point to say the anger isn't justifiable. People are trying to instill that "black lives matter." If your only crime is failing to pay child support and you can be shot in the streets, the message is pretty clear that if you are black, police will use the slightest pretense not only to profile you, but to kill you. Same with a switchblade. Plenty of people carry around switchblades. Even nice, sweet GCL has one.

(2) Baltimore police have a particularly problematic legacy of racism, similar to the LAPD. If you watch the show The Wire, it accurately portrays some of this racist legacy.

(3) There were a lot of peaceful protesters out there too, but those don't get shown in the media. There are videos on Twitter of protesters protecting police or linking arms to keep looters out of stores. The media controls the narrative, and the narrative invariably with racial minority protests is that "black culture" is prone to violence and inappropriate responses. In contrast, the narrative when people destroy property after their sports team loses is that there are always bad apples in any large crowd. There's no reason the same narrative shouldn't apply here. While we learn about the Boston Tea Party today as this great act of protest, it wasn't viewed that way at the time by the Founders. The Tea Partiers were seen as a group of bad apples who were expressing their frustration in the wrong way. The same is true of people who tarred and feathered British citizens. While our history books note these events to show how bad the historical frustration was, our Founding Fathers were intellectuals who didn't condone this type of behavior. Yet, today many people revere this destruction of property because it was in favor of a just cause. MLK once wrote that he did not disfavor the destruction of property during protests, in contrast to hurting people, because "[a] life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life, and no matter how much we surround it with rights and respect, it has no personal being." MLK furthered that looting and destruction of property occurs during these protests "[b]ecause property represents the white power structure, which they were attacking and trying to destroy." It's stupid for people to be glorifying MLK and non-violent protests, when he essentially condoned property destruction. It happens. When people are mad at the current system and can't even afford to buy a bunch of candy at the local 7-Eleven, the looting is supposed to shock us and make us realize how minorities feel like the entire system is stacked against them. If the only social order that the protests threatened was police tenure, it wouldn't spur any change because that doesn't affect most of us. Race riots sometimes spur reform, like with the Rodney King beatings, which led to *many* shakeups in the LAPD and federal involvement, partially because the riots threatened the entire social order in LA. As in Ferguson, with a full DOJ report recently issued and major shakeups happening because protesters brought national attention to their city. Should we condone destruction of property? No. Is it so easy to condemn it? Obviously not. Otherwise, the Tea Partiers wouldn't have drawn their namesake from a protest that solely involved the unlawful destruction of property due to people not wanting to pay taxes. If anything, destroying property to protect life should be viewed as more noble than destroying property to protect money from taxation.

Okay, I meant to number that better, but most of the key points are in #3.

did you see the video where the caught a guy on horse running and beat him for like 5 mins?

or the one where a guy ran at a traffic light and they shot him 6 times one being a kill shot to the throat as the cop walked over to his body

Nope. Sounds sh!tty tho.

The reality is I watch these videos and know I'll never be put in those situations. I can't imagine watching those videos and thinking, "wow, that could be me."

I mean, don't run from the police. That's stupid. But d@mn.

https://www.youtube.com...

watch at around 35 seconds
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4/28/2015 4:31:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 4:27:44 PM, Mikal wrote:

https://www.youtube.com...

watch at around 35 seconds

d@mn. He's like not moving, and he shoots him twice at point blank.

I feel like being black in the US, your relationship with police is the same as in Grand Theft Auto. If they see you so much as tap another car, they send 3 police cruisers after you. And if you get out and run, they shoot you in the back.
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