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bluesteel
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5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."
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5/24/2015 2:09:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

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5/24/2015 2:10:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Good to know. But on a non-traditional debate could I justify giving conduct, spelling, sources, and arguments to one side because they had a better profile picture, or is that going too far?
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5/24/2015 2:14:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:10:53 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Good to know. But on a non-traditional debate could I justify giving conduct, spelling, sources, and arguments to one side because they had a better profile picture, or is that going too far?

Do whatever you want from a moderation perspective. You can say "conduct, S&G, arguments, and sources to Pro cuz boobs." We won't remove it.

You're still accountable though as a person who hopefully has ethics in how he conducts himself on the site.
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5/24/2015 2:15:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
That said, if the instigator does a really good job in a non-traditional debate of specifying the voting criteria, we may remove strategic votes. It's an exception that has yet to be explored.
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5/24/2015 2:24:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:14:01 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 5/24/2015 2:10:53 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Ok sure, anything to make your work easier :)

Good to know. But on a non-traditional debate could I justify giving conduct, spelling, sources, and arguments to one side because they had a better profile picture, or is that going too far?

Do whatever you want from a moderation perspective. You can say "conduct, S&G, arguments, and sources to Pro cuz boobs." We won't remove it.

Rotfl XD
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5/24/2015 5:09:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:14:01 PM, bluesteel wrote:
At 5/24/2015 2:10:53 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Good to know. But on a non-traditional debate could I justify giving conduct, spelling, sources, and arguments to one side because they had a better profile picture, or is that going too far?

Do whatever you want from a moderation perspective. You can say "conduct, S&G, arguments, and sources to Pro cuz boobs." We won't remove it.

You're still accountable though as a person who hopefully has ethics in how he conducts himself on the site.

I'll keep this in mind.
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5/24/2015 5:53:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yes....do the "Choose Winner System" So that way when you vote..you cant get your vote removed as easily. ^_^ You don't have to explain S&G!
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5/24/2015 7:45:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Darn! I was thinking of doing a piano battle where
S&G = Technique, articulation and voicing
Conduct = Repertoire choice
Sources = Musicality
Arguments = Overall winner
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8/22/2015 3:52:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/24/2015 2:04:02 PM, bluesteel wrote:
For the love of God, will the more established users on the site *please* start using the choose winner system.

Most of the problematic votes on the site are from the non-argument point categories. That's 95% of the votes I remove. Make my life easier and reduce the odds of getting bad votes on your debates by using "choose winner." Some votes aren't removable and just barely pass moderation, so if you don't want a bad voter to get their vote to count for more by doing barely enough to pass moderation, use choose winner.

Also, if you're going to do a non-traditional debate, you'd be insane to do anything but "choose winner." We don't moderate non-traditional debates, except for complete failure to explain a point category. Strategic voting on non-traditional debates is *permitted* because it's not clear what the point categories should stand for (i.e. how should one evaluate "spelling" or "conduct" on a rap battle). If you want people to strategically vote against you on those debates, then use the 7-point system. But if you want to eliminate strategic voting, use "choose winner."

Okay. Sorry.
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