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5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.

When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.
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5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?
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5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.
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5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio
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: thett was right
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5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.
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5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well
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5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

Santorum won't get anywhere even if he runs. It's questionable if he will even make it to the debates as they're only going to take the top 10 in the polls.

I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.
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5/25/2015 1:24:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

Santorum won't get anywhere even if he runs. It's questionable if he will even make it to the debates as they're only going to take the top 10 in the polls.

But Rand Paul may :-(

I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.
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5/25/2015 1:26:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:24:50 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

Santorum won't get anywhere even if he runs. It's questionable if he will even make it to the debates as they're only going to take the top 10 in the polls.

But Rand Paul may :-(

Rand Paul isn't bad. I'm not really libertarianish very much anymore, but a lot of what he's saying--like on the NSA and Republicans being willing to reach out to all voters--are extremely important a message that needs to be heard


I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.
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5/25/2015 1:29:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.

What is Rubio's platform?
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5/25/2015 1:33:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:29:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.

What is Rubio's platform?

I don't know the platforms much. I do know that he's strategically appealing to certain demographics, which helps his candidacy.
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5/25/2015 1:33:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.

When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.

For the year or so that I have participated on this website I can honestly say that in the last month the quality of debates is much higher than it was when I first joined. There are fewer spam debates and more debates on relevant topics than I had ever seen prior. The update does suck, and the forums may be struggling but tbh... I think the debates are decent at least by comparison.

Maybe stronger debaters like Roy are not debating, but it does seems to me like more debates are being engaged in seriously.

Anyways... That's my two cents.
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5/25/2015 1:42:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.

+1 for the OP. Why invest time and energy into complaining about juggle when there are so many things that are in our control - namely discussion and community
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5/25/2015 1:51:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:33:06 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.

When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.

For the year or so that I have participated on this website I can honestly say that in the last month the quality of debates is much higher than it was when I first joined. There are fewer spam debates and more debates on relevant topics than I had ever seen prior. The update does suck, and the forums may be struggling but tbh... I think the debates are decent at least by comparison.

Maybe stronger debaters like Roy are not debating, but it does seems to me like more debates are being engaged in seriously.

Anyways... That's my two cents.

I too have been here for about a year. I think that there are honestly fewer quality debates than there used to be, but my perception could totally be warped since I vote less due to time constraints. The one thing im entirely sure of is that forum discussion has been in a study decline. I'm really hoping making topics of the week will help.
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5/25/2015 1:54:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:29:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.

What is Rubio's platform?

Here's a really great site to get that kind of information:

http://ballotpedia.org...

On the right side of the page I linked, is a list of candidates and potential candidates. If you click the individual you are interested in reading more about, you will be shown their positions and where they stand on the political spectrum.

Here is Rubio's page:

http://ballotpedia.org...
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5/25/2015 1:57:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.

Me too. I literally watch presidential debates on YouTube as entertainment. The worst part is that I get emotionally invested in these debates, comparable to a football fan watching the game on tv.
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Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:54:53 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:29:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.

What is Rubio's platform?

Here's a really great site to get that kind of information:

http://ballotpedia.org...

On the right side of the page I linked, is a list of candidates and potential candidates. If you click the individual you are interested in reading more about, you will be shown their positions and where they stand on the political spectrum.

Here is Rubio's page:

http://ballotpedia.org...

I really hate the ETPA and denial of AGW, so I don't support Rubio :P
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5/25/2015 2:06:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:04:12 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:54:53 AM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:29:38 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:26:19 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:21:42 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:19:34 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:07:39 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:16 AM, thett3 wrote:
Alright let's start now. Anything you want to talk about?

Let's discuss the results of the latest GOP Primary polling.

Oooh okay. What do you think? I'm surprised that Cruz is polling as high as he is, but it's gone down quite a bit after his announcement bounce. Still he just isn't a viable candidate. I kinda like Rubio

I think it says a lot about Cruz as a candidate that Mike Huckabee polls higher than he does, and that his average poll numbers are about on par with Ben Carson. Bush is still the highest in the polls, but Scott Walker and Marco Rubio are not too far behind him.

At this point, I still take Bush as the nominee. I don't think Scott Walker will get it, but Rubio has a good chance - particularly because he helps the GOP appeal to Latinos.

Jeb Bush is fine. I pray Rick Santorum doesn't even come close (probably not anyway) and gods, not Rand Paul :P Cruz = ew as well

I say this from the outside - Jeb Bush and Rubio are the only truly viable candidates.

Santorum is not even close. His poll numbers average at around 2%.

What is Rubio's platform?

Here's a really great site to get that kind of information:

http://ballotpedia.org...

On the right side of the page I linked, is a list of candidates and potential candidates. If you click the individual you are interested in reading more about, you will be shown their positions and where they stand on the political spectrum.

Here is Rubio's page:

http://ballotpedia.org...

I really hate the ETPA and denial of AGW, so I don't support Rubio :P

Well then I guess my work here is done.
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5/25/2015 2:07:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:57:11 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.

Me too. I literally watch presidential debates on YouTube as entertainment. The worst part is that I get emotionally invested in these debates, comparable to a football fan watching the game on tv.

I yelled at the TV during the 2012 Presidential Debates.
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5/25/2015 2:09:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:07:18 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:57:11 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.

Me too. I literally watch presidential debates on YouTube as entertainment. The worst part is that I get emotionally invested in these debates, comparable to a football fan watching the game on tv.

I yelled at the TV during the 2012 Presidential Debates.

LOL, I did the same. During the most recent Fl. governors debate I nearly had a panic attack, and wanted to slap them both.
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5/25/2015 4:33:55 AM
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At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.
Actually, Cody is posting at the moment. In fact, he raised some points in a thread of mine, and I found them very difficult to refute!
When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.
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5/25/2015 8:21:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.

When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.

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5/25/2015 8:39:34 AM
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I'd like to see Rand Paul as our next President. I really liked him filibustering against the renewal of the patriot act. Though it really won't make a difference if it's renewed or not (The Government will continue it anyway), it showed determination. However, his tax plans seem too good to be true. While my family would certainly benefit from some tax cuts, I understand how it may disadvantage others. That and I don't see how he plans to make up the lost tax revenue.

The thing I don't want to see happen if Hillary Clinton be elected President. The whole "First Woman President" thing would sound nice if she wasn't so untrustworthy. Maybe they'll find a decent candidate before the deadline but as it is now, the Democratic party can't win the upcoming election.
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At 5/25/2015 8:39:34 AM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
I'd like to see Rand Paul as our next President. I really liked him filibustering against the renewal of the patriot act. Though it really won't make a difference if it's renewed or not (The Government will continue it anyway), it showed determination. However, his tax plans seem too good to be true. While my family would certainly benefit from some tax cuts, I understand how it may disadvantage others. That and I don't see how he plans to make up the lost tax revenue.

The thing I don't want to see happen is Hillary Clinton be elected President. The whole "First Woman President" thing would sound nice if she wasn't so untrustworthy. Maybe they'll find a decent candidate before the deadline but as it is now, the Democratic party can't win the upcoming election.

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5/25/2015 2:16:31 PM
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At 5/25/2015 1:57:11 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:23:39 AM, thett3 wrote:
I'm completely fascinated with politics on a sports level--I'm really excited for the primary fight.

Me too. I literally watch presidential debates on YouTube as entertainment. The worst part is that I get emotionally invested in these debates, comparable to a football fan watching the game on tv.

Yeah if you can detach yourself and just watch it all unfold objectively (which is realy really hard and I fail at it to some extent ) it's just completely fascinating. I'm dissapointed that Hillary ran, because I was looking forward to a prolonged and nasty nomination fight from both parties
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Tbh Harder, I think a lot of this is attributed to burnout. Maybe not for you, but for me the site seems less intellectual because I'm no longer seeking out as many great debates to read as I once did...the site hasn't become less intellectual, I have
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5/25/2015 2:39:43 PM
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At 5/25/2015 2:22:33 PM, thett3 wrote:
Tbh Harder, I think a lot of this is attributed to burnout. Maybe not for you, but for me the site seems less intellectual because I'm no longer seeking out as many great debates to read as I once did...the site hasn't become less intellectual, I have

This. So much this.
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5/25/2015 5:09:03 PM
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The response to this reminds me why I should stay silent.
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5/25/2015 6:31:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:56:23 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The quality of the site - in terms of usability, discussion, and community, is getting worse. We can't easily fix the first problem, at least for a while - so we should focus on the other two.

I see a complaint aired from time to time, saying that the quality level of discussion has gotten progressively worse over the past few years. Innomen said something to me a few months ago when the Mikal resigning controversy was going on. He said:

"There was a time when this site had some real intellectual power, and a great sense of camaraderie, that you probably won't see again."

What he was getting at about the site being less intellectually powerful is true. We've seen many members become inactive that were very valued contributors. People like RoyLatham, Spinko and Cody_Franklin. There are many more, and if they were to come back that would be really great.

When you see members of the RoyLatham type become inactive and people that perhaps aren't as thought provoking (including myself) become very active forum posters who do not often debate, you see a decrease in quality. There's a place for members like me, and there's a place for members like Roy, and members like him are becoming scarce. That's a problem.

And when members become convinced the discussion quality is too poor and they fall into inactivity or explicitly leave, that contributes to the problem.

Which is why Ore_Ele shouldn't leave. That's why Cody_Franklin should start posting again. That's why RoyLatham should start debating again.

What Juggle does or does not do is a separate matter, and if that is the reason for leaving, it's a bad one. As much as I hate what they do, I stay. More valued members ought to stay. I've seen Bluesteel complain about discussion quality. I've seen Spinko complain about discussion quality. I have complained about discussion quality.

DDO members should take the initiative to improve quality themselves. When they do, people are more inclined to stay.

If you say "well this sucks" and then you abandon something, then you make the situation actually suck. If older members were to come back, maybe people would realize that everyone can control site quality. Innomen mused to me, after saying that thing about the lack of intellectual power, that he wondered if a reunion of sorts could be organized on DDO.

If even just a few members came back, and people were to stop leaving, the site would be greatly benefited. The site has a potential to hold great discussion, and when people abandon it, the site does not fulfill its potential.

A topic of the week as just brought up by Liz would be good. She said in a hangout that some forums such as politics, society, and philosophy should be posted in much more than they are. And that's true. People should post more threads there, and they should contribute more to those forums.

JMK said today that the politics forum is "dying". As the second-most posted in forum, that is a huge problem. I said to YYW today that it was unfortunate the philosophy forum is dead, and he replied that it's been that way for a while. These forums need to be revitalized for the sake of the site. The thought provoking debating that this site has the capability of hosting needs to become more commonplace. If that were to be achieved, the intellectual discussion would become a non-problem. Then, thought-provoking members would stop leaving. Then, the community is strong enough that people won't leave because of Juggle.

We must not let our discussion quality fall further, or we face more people leaving. We cannot have that.

Great speech.

My take on the problem is that forums are too laid back and debates are too hardcore. You either discuss suff as you would at a dinner table on the forums or you go on to debate the topic like you've been given a huge week long project.
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