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5/25/2015 2:15:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Anyone up for a team debate on "God Probably Exists" as Pro?

Team Con
1. Subutai
2. n7
3. Tejretics

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3.

Plz sign up.
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5/25/2015 2:21:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:15:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Anyone up for a team debate on "God Probably Exists" as Pro?

Team Con
1. Subutai
2. n7
3. Tejretics

Team Pro
1.
2.
3.

Plz sign up.

Talk about a tough matchup.
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5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.
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5/25/2015 2:29:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

Agreed, besides most who believe a God exists believe it is a matter of faith...
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5/25/2015 2:31:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:29:16 AM, kasmic wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

Agreed, besides most who believe a God exists believe it is a matter of faith...

Yup :)
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5/25/2015 3:24:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

It would be awesome if Envisage signed up Devil's advocate, then it'll be a challenge.
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5/25/2015 8:25:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I found that a user named creationtruth is actually a very good debater, he might be interested, not sure if he's still active tho
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5/25/2015 8:51:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I am interested to join the Pro team.

I want to disclose that I've never done a team debate. And if a team member makes some bare assertions or illogical fallacies, I might attack him/her!
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5/25/2015 9:15:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 3:24:58 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

It would be awesome if Envisage signed up Devil's advocate, then it'll be a challenge.

If envisage wants to do devil's advocate, I *might* be willing to team up with him. I'd have to talk to him about it though... check out my other debates on God's existence for my credentials :P
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5/25/2015 10:06:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 8:51:37 AM, salam.morcos wrote:
I am interested to join the Pro team.

I want to disclose that I've never done a team debate. And if a team member makes some bare assertions or illogical fallacies, I might attack him/her!

Ok, lol.

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5/25/2015 11:24:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 9:15:01 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/25/2015 3:24:58 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

It would be awesome if Envisage signed up Devil's advocate, then it'll be a challenge.

If envisage wants to do devil's advocate, I *might* be willing to team up with him. I'd have to talk to him about it though... check out my other debates on God's existence for my credentials :P

I think DDO would explode from too much philosophy if this happened.
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5/25/2015 11:39:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 11:24:08 AM, n7 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 9:15:01 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/25/2015 3:24:58 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:27:38 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Lmao, team Con is so OP. Idk if anyone can actually give you guys a good challenge on that topic.

It would be awesome if Envisage signed up Devil's advocate, then it'll be a challenge.

If envisage wants to do devil's advocate, I *might* be willing to team up with him. I'd have to talk to him about it though... check out my other debates on God's existence for my credentials :P

I think DDO would explode from too much philosophy if this happened.

lol.. But it will be one heck of a debate. Even worse, imagine everyone play the devil's advocate! That would be interesting.
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5/25/2015 12:49:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:15:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Anyone up for a team debate on "God Probably Exists" as Pro?

Team Con
1. Subutai
2. n7
3. Tejretics

Team Pro
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2.
3.

Plz sign up.

Maybe, if I don't leave yet.
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5/25/2015 12:53:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:49:10 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:15:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Anyone up for a team debate on "God Probably Exists" as Pro?

Team Con
1. Subutai
2. n7
3. Tejretics

Team Pro
1.
2.
3.

Plz sign up.

Maybe, if I don't leave yet.

It'll be soon.

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2. lannan13
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5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.
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5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.
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5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.
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5/25/2015 12:57:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.

You're not sentient or intelligent anymore than a rock is from an objective point of view. Pro can't win.
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5/25/2015 12:59:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:57:49 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.

You're not sentient or intelligent anymore than a rock is from an objective point of view. Pro can't win.

That would be considered a K, so neither side can bring that up.
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5/25/2015 1:00:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:59:17 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:57:49 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.

You're not sentient or intelligent anymore than a rock is from an objective point of view. Pro can't win.

That would be considered a K, so neither side can bring that up.

Exactly, so Pro can't win.
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5/25/2015 1:01:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:00:04 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:17 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:57:49 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.

You're not sentient or intelligent anymore than a rock is from an objective point of view. Pro can't win.

That would be considered a K, so neither side can bring that up.

Exactly, so Pro can't win.

We're not going to use noncognitivism on the properties of sentience and intelligence. Assuming I'm sentient and intelligent, God is.
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5/25/2015 1:01:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 1:01:01 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:00:04 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:59:17 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:57:49 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:56:59 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

No K's of the topic. So God is sentient and intelligent the same way I'm sentient and intelligent.

You're not sentient or intelligent anymore than a rock is from an objective point of view. Pro can't win.

That would be considered a K, so neither side can bring that up.

Exactly, so Pro can't win.

We're not going to use noncognitivism on the properties of sentience and intelligence. Assuming I'm sentient and intelligent, God is.

You're a physical being, god isn't.
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5/25/2015 1:09:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

lol that's the traditional definition of God.
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5/25/2015 2:14:18 PM
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At 5/25/2015 1:09:11 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

lol that's the traditional definition of God.

I agree that this is the traditional definition. But the sentient property on its own is unfalsifiable. So I wouldn't try to prove it with some bare assertions.

I like tejretics definition in my other debate with him. He said:
"Since "being" is defined as "a real or imaginary living creature or entity, especially an intelligent one", it implies that God is intelligent or, at least, sentient (i.e. able to feel or perceive)."

I also would add that when we say that God is intelligent, it doesn't necessarily mean cleverness (although it can be), it means a being with the ability to apply knowledge and skills.

This seems trivial. I don't think it would hinder the debate in anyway. What do you think?
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5/26/2015 5:46:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/25/2015 2:14:18 PM, salam.morcos wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:11 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

lol that's the traditional definition of God.

I agree that this is the traditional definition. But the sentient property on its own is unfalsifiable. So I wouldn't try to prove it with some bare assertions.

I like tejretics definition in my other debate with him. He said:
"Since "being" is defined as "a real or imaginary living creature or entity, especially an intelligent one", it implies that God is intelligent or, at least, sentient (i.e. able to feel or perceive)."

I also would add that when we say that God is intelligent, it doesn't necessarily mean cleverness (although it can be), it means a being with the ability to apply knowledge and skills.

Agreed. And the ability to *gain* information.


This seems trivial. I don't think it would hinder the debate in anyway. What do you think?

Exactly. No K's rule renders this trivial.
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5/26/2015 6:24:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/26/2015 5:46:52 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 2:14:18 PM, salam.morcos wrote:
At 5/25/2015 1:09:11 PM, n7 wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:55:55 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:54:41 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/25/2015 12:48:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
Define god please.

God -- transcendent, intelligent, immensely great, sentient being who is the creator of the universe.

That's not god at all. God's sentience, just like your own, is unprovable anyway.

lol that's the traditional definition of God.

I agree that this is the traditional definition. But the sentient property on its own is unfalsifiable. So I wouldn't try to prove it with some bare assertions.

I like tejretics definition in my other debate with him. He said:
"Since "being" is defined as "a real or imaginary living creature or entity, especially an intelligent one", it implies that God is intelligent or, at least, sentient (i.e. able to feel or perceive)."

I also would add that when we say that God is intelligent, it doesn't necessarily mean cleverness (although it can be), it means a being with the ability to apply knowledge and skills.

Agreed. And the ability to *gain* information.


This seems trivial. I don't think it would hinder the debate in anyway. What do you think?

Exactly. No K's rule renders this trivial.

I don't think ability to *gain* information" is part of the definition. Because God could possibly, but necessarily, be all knowing which means he can't gain more information. We're not debating the all-knowing property, but I don't agree that ability to gain must be part of the definition.
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5/26/2015 9:55:20 AM
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5/26/2015 9:55:35 AM
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Looking forward to a *great* debate!
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