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5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)
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5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM
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I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.
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5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?
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5/28/2015 4:07:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, it always perplexed me how people think they are mutually exclusive.
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5/28/2015 4:08:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

Pick me! I will give you a good debate.

Regarding evolution vs. creationism - note that 95+%, probably closer to 99% of biologists that themselves are Christians also accept evolution. So that should really tell you something - faith shouldn't be an obstacle to accepting pretty well established scientific discoveries. Evolution is true regardless of whether God exists or not - I accepted that many years before becoming an atheist, it really was a non-factor regarding religion.
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5/28/2015 4:10:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 4:07:10 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, it always perplexed me how people think they are mutually exclusive.

What's that suppose to mean -_-
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5/28/2015 4:12:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 4:10:14 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 4:07:10 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, it always perplexed me how people think they are mutually exclusive.

What's that suppose to mean -_-

Evolution and Christianity are compatible, depending on how literally you interpret the Bible, and there are a good amount of Christians who don't believe and follow EVERYTHING in the Bible.
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5/28/2015 4:13:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

Why not both?
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5/28/2015 4:14:40 PM
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At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

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5/28/2015 4:15:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 4:14:40 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

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I'm starting to think I'm more Pagan then anything.
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5/28/2015 4:27:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 4:15:26 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 4:14:40 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org...

I'm starting to think I'm more Pagan then anything.

Pagan simply means you believe in multiple gods.
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5/28/2015 4:36:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

Why not a theist? They would probably be better at defending God than atheists would be.
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5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM
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At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.
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5/28/2015 6:45:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 4:07:10 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, it always perplexed me how people think they are mutually exclusive.

Agreed.
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5/29/2015 8:42:16 AM
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At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

Me. I'm an atheist, and completely prepared to go against you Devil's advocate.
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5/29/2015 8:42:52 AM
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At 5/28/2015 4:10:14 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 4:07:10 PM, daytonanerd wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, it always perplexed me how people think they are mutually exclusive.

What's that suppose to mean -_-

It means you can be a Christian and still believe in evolution.
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5/29/2015 8:43:48 AM
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At 5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.

Ah! An agnostic atheist, I assume, or a militant agnostic? I'm an agnostic atheist myself.
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5/29/2015 3:38:46 PM
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At 5/29/2015 8:43:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.

Ah! An agnostic atheist, I assume, or a militant agnostic? I'm an agnostic atheist myself.

Just agnostic.
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5/29/2015 3:48:44 PM
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It's always baffling to see christians who deny modern science for no reason. The stunning complexity of life and evolution is in no way incompatible with a creator. And the Big Bang, which postulates that rather than an eternal, unchanging universe that just *is*, our world possibly did have an absolute beginning, just as is described by religious narrative.

But no. Instead lets take what is clearly allegorical and take it literally, making us all look like unscientific morons. The only compelling argument I've ever seen for YEC is that maybe God just created a universe with a manufactured history, and the age the universe appears to be doesn't tell us how old it actually is, just as the age of a character in a play doesn't tell us how long the performance has lasted. Which is obviously possible but it has the issue of being unfalsifiable and a completely pointless issue...
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At 5/29/2015 3:42:00 PM, Anna08 wrote:
So many infidels omg

I know. We need to purge the site of godless heathens.

Unfortunately, that includes Catholics /: sorry about that
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5/29/2015 4:02:52 PM
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At 5/29/2015 3:48:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
It's always baffling to see christians who deny modern science for no reason. The stunning complexity of life and evolution is in no way incompatible with a creator. And the Big Bang, which postulates that rather than an eternal, unchanging universe that just *is*, our world possibly did have an absolute beginning, just as is described by religious narrative.

But no. Instead lets take what is clearly allegorical and take it literally, making us all look like unscientific morons. The only compelling argument I've ever seen for YEC is that maybe God just created a universe with a manufactured history, and the age the universe appears to be doesn't tell us how old it actually is, just as the age of a character in a play doesn't tell us how long the performance has lasted. Which is obviously possible but it has the issue of being unfalsifiable and a completely pointless issue...

I like how biblical literalism didn't even arise until reactionaries decided that science had advanced too far and had to be rejected.

"Only recently, for example, has it been championed by some as the literal and inerrant word of God, to be believed in every plain detail. Biblical fundamentalism has its strongest roots in the late 19th century. Before then, the faithful, if they read it at all, were on the whole freer in their interpretations"not because they were any less devout, or less convinced of the book"s divine inspiration, but because puzzles in the text seemed to point to deeper, hidden meanings. Long before anyone worried that "Genesis" seemed inconsistent with the facts of history or science, people had noticed that it was inconsistent with itself. It contains, for instance, two conflicting accounts of the order of creation." [http://www.economist.com...]
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5/30/2015 9:55:46 AM
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At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I'm curious, are you saying your understanding of evolution has some major missing pieces or are you saying the theory of evolution has some major missing pieces. If the former, that can be rectified with some stud, if the latter, I certainly for one would be very interested to hear what exactly is missing? My current understanding of evolution shows it be quite complete across a range of scientific disciplines. Thanks in advance.
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5/30/2015 1:42:19 PM
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At 5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.

It seems like you also don't believe in the law of non-contradiction ;)
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5/30/2015 3:21:33 PM
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At 5/30/2015 1:42:19 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.

It seems like you also don't believe in the law of non-contradiction ;)

???
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5/30/2015 3:22:37 PM
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At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

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5/30/2015 3:25:18 PM
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At 5/29/2015 3:48:44 PM, thett3 wrote:
It's always baffling to see christians who deny modern science for no reason. The stunning complexity of life and evolution is in no way incompatible with a creator. And the Big Bang, which postulates that rather than an eternal, unchanging universe that just *is*, our world possibly did have an absolute beginning, just as is described by religious narrative.

But no. Instead lets take what is clearly allegorical and take it literally, making us all look like unscientific morons. The only compelling argument I've ever seen for YEC is that maybe God just created a universe with a manufactured history, and the age the universe appears to be doesn't tell us how old it actually is, just as the age of a character in a play doesn't tell us how long the performance has lasted. Which is obviously possible but it has the issue of being unfalsifiable and a completely pointless issue...

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6/14/2015 8:48:43 AM
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At 5/28/2015 6:45:17 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:58:27 PM, Lee001 wrote:
At 5/28/2015 3:57:08 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I would do it, but I would point out that you can believe in evolution and still be a Christian. The two positions are not mutually exclusive unless you take the bible as a literal text vice one that is up for interpretation.

Yeah, I know that, I've been told that multiple times. But yet, if you were debating the existence of god (yourself) that mean you'd have to believe in what you are debating on, right?

I mean, I don't believe in god. I also do not not believe in god. I am willing to affirm god's existence in a debate with you, if you want.

That isn't really agnosticism, that's agnostic atheism ...
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6/14/2015 9:15:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)

It would be fun to see Envisage or bsh to debate you Devil's advocate ... why did you withdraw the challenge? =(
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6/14/2015 10:13:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/28/2015 3:54:56 PM, Lee001 wrote:
So, if you know me, you know I'm a Christian, well, at least that is what I think. I'm stuck between evolutionary thought and creationism. Both sides seem to make sense to me, and each side has some major missing pieces.

I always have debated for the existence of god, but I'd like to debate against that now. I would like to ask an atheist to debate me in the existence of god. I'd like to debate against god, and see which stance I stand stronger for.

Who's interested? ;)
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This is 2015, and I find it amazing that anyone in this day and age can actually believe in this super being in the sky.

This is my question. There are millions of different creatures on earth, and in the scheme of things we are no more important than a slug or a spider, so why according to the bible are we the only animal with a sole. Does this therefore mean that when we go to heaven, or hell, we will be the only creature there. I have to be honest, the whole concept of religion in the modern era is absolutely crazy. I have to ask, why are you basing your beliefs on something that uneducated people made up thousands of years ago. We used to belief that the earth was flat, and there were witches, but somehow we grew out of that, so why does any religion still exist ?