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5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?
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5/30/2015 7:14:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

Because no one cared about it, and no, because no one currently cares about it.
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5/30/2015 8:53:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Maybe we could make a DDO Blog of our own?

We could add a 'debate.org' tag to our blogposts in our regular WordPress and Blogger blogs. Then we have a DDO blog.
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5/30/2015 10:04:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

My platform already has a proposal to fix it [http://www.debate.org...]. Switching control of the blog from Juggle to the userbase would enable more frequent and relevant updates.
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5/30/2015 10:12:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 10:04:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

My platform already has a proposal to fix it [http://www.debate.org...]. Switching control of the blog from Juggle to the userbase would enable more frequent and relevant updates.

Excellent, if you can get Juggle to do it.
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5/30/2015 10:17:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 10:12:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/30/2015 10:04:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

My platform already has a proposal to fix it [http://www.debate.org...]. Switching control of the blog from Juggle to the userbase would enable more frequent and relevant updates.

Excellent, if you can get Juggle to do it.

I think getting Juggle to turn over responsibilities should be significantly easier than getting them to take on responsibilities (as in not doing things vs. doing things).
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5/31/2015 12:55:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 10:12:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/30/2015 10:04:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

My platform already has a proposal to fix it [http://www.debate.org...]. Switching control of the blog from Juggle to the userbase would enable more frequent and relevant updates.

Excellent, if you can get Juggle to do it.

Me and Blade of Truth were talking about it and Blade said that Juggle should be selling the site soon because they have made maximum profit off it. So we should be looking for a new company and contact them to buy the site.
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5/31/2015 1:02:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 12:55:46 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 5/30/2015 10:12:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/30/2015 10:04:26 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

My platform already has a proposal to fix it [http://www.debate.org...]. Switching control of the blog from Juggle to the userbase would enable more frequent and relevant updates.

Excellent, if you can get Juggle to do it.

Me and Blade of Truth were talking about it and Blade said that Juggle should be selling the site soon because they have made maximum profit off it. So we should be looking for a new company and contact them to buy the site.

http://alltheragefaces.com...
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5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums? Everyone uses the forums, and they are easily accessable to newer members. I don't know if working on the blog ought to be a priority. If a large enough portion of users expressed interest in trying to work on the blog, I might be more understanding. However, I've only seen a few express interest. Imo, it's better to put all the quality content in one place (the forums) as opposed to splitting it up over multiple mediums.
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5/31/2015 3:40:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums? Everyone uses the forums, and they are easily accessable to newer members. I don't know if working on the blog ought to be a priority. If a large enough portion of users expressed interest in trying to work on the blog, I might be more understanding. However, I've only seen a few express interest. Imo, it's better to put all the quality content in one place (the forums) as opposed to splitting it up over multiple mediums.

Do people still routinely update the DDO wiki?
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5/31/2015 3:43:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:40:44 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums? Everyone uses the forums, and they are easily accessable to newer members. I don't know if working on the blog ought to be a priority. If a large enough portion of users expressed interest in trying to work on the blog, I might be more understanding. However, I've only seen a few express interest. Imo, it's better to put all the quality content in one place (the forums) as opposed to splitting it up over multiple mediums.

Do people still routinely update the DDO wiki?

I'm not sure. Are people still interested in the DDO wiki?
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5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.
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5/31/2015 3:44:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:43:09 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:40:44 PM, birdlandmemories wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums? Everyone uses the forums, and they are easily accessable to newer members. I don't know if working on the blog ought to be a priority. If a large enough portion of users expressed interest in trying to work on the blog, I might be more understanding. However, I've only seen a few express interest. Imo, it's better to put all the quality content in one place (the forums) as opposed to splitting it up over multiple mediums.

Do people still routinely update the DDO wiki?

I'm not sure. Are people still interested in the DDO wiki?

Yeah, people still update it. I know I added a page recently.
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5/31/2015 3:45:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

What, in your opinion, can the blog do that the forums and the rest of the site cannot?

Like I said, why not put all quality content in one place?
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5/31/2015 3:49:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:45:29 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

What, in your opinion, can the blog do that the forums and the rest of the site cannot?

Frankly, I don't think the forums lend themselves as well to that kind of newsletter-like exercise. In the blog, pictures can be embedded, you can expand beyond 8,000 characters for complex issues, it's more easily searched, and its formatting is just overall better suited to the task (e.g. "recent posts," blog categories, etc.).

Like I said, why not put all quality content in one place?

Because then you get content overload. If all the good stuff is in one location, it can be overwhelming to sift through, may easily become disorganized, and some good content may get buried by other content. Delineating sections that deal with certain types of content actually makes the content more manageable, more easily perused, and less apt to be buried.
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5/31/2015 3:52:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:49:29 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:45:29 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

What, in your opinion, can the blog do that the forums and the rest of the site cannot?

Frankly, I don't think the forums lend themselves as well to that kind of newsletter-like exercise. In the blog, pictures can be embedded, you can expand beyond 8,000 characters for complex issues, it's more easily searched, and its formatting is just overall better suited to the task (e.g. "recent posts," blog categories, etc.).

I do like the idea of a newsletter. I feel like that can be done on the forums though via google docs. My worry about using a blog is that newer users will be less apt to access it because they won't be aware of it's existance.


Like I said, why not put all quality content in one place?

Because then you get content overload. If all the good stuff is in one location, it can be overwhelming to sift through, may easily become disorganized, and some good content may get buried by other content. Delineating sections that deal with certain types of content actually makes the content more manageable, more easily perused, and less apt to be buried.

The forums have lots of different sections though. If the forums already suffer from a certian degree of inactivity, how can one expect users to be more active on a blog?
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5/31/2015 3:58:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:52:48 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:49:29 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:45:29 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

What, in your opinion, can the blog do that the forums and the rest of the site cannot?

Frankly, I don't think the forums lend themselves as well to that kind of newsletter-like exercise. In the blog, pictures can be embedded, you can expand beyond 8,000 characters for complex issues, it's more easily searched, and its formatting is just overall better suited to the task (e.g. "recent posts," blog categories, etc.).

I do like the idea of a newsletter. I feel like that can be done on the forums though via google docs. My worry about using a blog is that newer users will be less apt to access it because they won't be aware of it's existance.

I feel like that is also true of doing it in the forums or via google doc. New users--who often don't visit the forums with any frequency--will still be unlikely to access under that plan. Moreover, I don't see the value of losing all the litany of advantages I gave just to have marginal improvements in accessibility. I think having the blog act as a site newsletter would be the best course of action.

Like I said, why not put all quality content in one place?

Because then you get content overload. If all the good stuff is in one location, it can be overwhelming to sift through, may easily become disorganized, and some good content may get buried by other content. Delineating sections that deal with certain types of content actually makes the content more manageable, more easily perused, and less apt to be buried.

The forums have lots of different sections though. If the forums already suffer from a certian degree of inactivity, how can one expect users to be more active on a blog?

I don't think the two situations are analogous. Firstly, the newsletter/blog is not a forum for activity, but a weekly/monthly update to be read. It is functionally different from a forum, and it ought to be. Secondly, part of the problem of dying forums is that there is ambiguity between what goes in which sections, which wouldn't be the case in a blog. Thirdly, I think that even if forums are dying, that doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms I made about hastening that coalescence.
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5/31/2015 4:00:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Anyway, g2g. I will be back online later to respond to any comments.
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5/31/2015 4:04:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 3:58:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:


I feel like that is also true of doing it in the forums or via google doc. New users--who often don't visit the forums with any frequency--will still be unlikely to access under that plan. Moreover, I don't see the value of losing all the litany of advantages I gave just to have marginal improvements in accessibility. I think having the blog act as a site newsletter would be the best course of action.

I guess looking back on my activity as a newer member, I was less inclined to read forum posts. When I think of forums as an outlet for discussion and the blog as an outlet for users to read updates, that kind of changes my perspective.


Like I said, why not put all quality content in one place?

Because then you get content overload. If all the good stuff is in one location, it can be overwhelming to sift through, may easily become disorganized, and some good content may get buried by other content. Delineating sections that deal with certain types of content actually makes the content more manageable, more easily perused, and less apt to be buried.

The forums have lots of different sections though. If the forums already suffer from a certian degree of inactivity, how can one expect users to be more active on a blog?

I don't think the two situations are analogous. Firstly, the newsletter/blog is not a forum for activity, but a weekly/monthly update to be read. It is functionally different from a forum, and it ought to be. Secondly, part of the problem of dying forums is that there is ambiguity between what goes in which sections, which wouldn't be the case in a blog. Thirdly, I think that even if forums are dying, that doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms I made about hastening that coalescence.

So, in you trying to turn the blog over to the hands of the user base, what is your main goal? What would you specifically use the blog for? Would it just be for newsletters, or even more?
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5/31/2015 4:34:28 PM
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At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

When the blog was first introduced, it was heavily promoted by Juggle employees. Members were given the option to write articles for the blog (see:

http://blog.debate.org...

http://blog.debate.org...

http://blog.debate.org...)

, Juggle mentioned it fairly frequently, &tc., but there was only a very small subset of the userbase that cared at all about it (even when it was written by DDO members a good deal of the time). I don't think that the dynamics of the site have changed enough in a direction that would make the blog more likely to succeed since then.
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5/31/2015 7:37:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 4:34:28 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:44:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:38:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/30/2015 6:37:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
It hasn't been updated since March of 2014. Why is this, and can anything be done about it?

To be honest, I've never seen the point in investing large amounts of time in the blog. Here's why: Currently, no one is interested in the blog. Many members of DDO don't know it exists. Why focus energy on trying to revitalize the blog when one could spend time working on facilitating quality discussion on the forums?

I think the lack of interest and knowledge of the blog can be attributed to the fact that it's never updated. Would you be interested in a website that never updated? I think having users update will not only spread knowledge of its existence via word-of-mouth, but it will also give people a reason to be engaged with it. It would no longer be an ossified, stale element of the site, but something more vibrant.

When the blog was first introduced, it was heavily promoted by Juggle employees. Members were given the option to write articles for the blog

Juggle mentioned it fairly frequently, &tc., but there was only a very small subset of the userbase that cared at all about it (even when it was written by DDO members a good deal of the time). I don't think that the dynamics of the site have changed enough in a direction that would make the blog more likely to succeed since then.

I think that the interest levels in it would change if it was (a) wholly directed by the usership, (b) more of a DDO newsletter and less of a blog (this would particularly appeal to younger members who care more about DDO's social aspect), and (c) if the administration promoted it. I think that altering the whole nature of how the blog was run would change how much attention it would get.
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5/31/2015 7:43:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 4:04:40 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:58:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I don't think the two situations are analogous. Firstly, the newsletter/blog is not a forum for activity, but a weekly/monthly update to be read. It is functionally different from a forum, and it ought to be. Secondly, part of the problem of dying forums is that there is ambiguity between what goes in which sections, which wouldn't be the case in a blog. Thirdly, I think that even if forums are dying, that doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms I made about hastening that coalescence.

So, in you trying to turn the blog over to the hands of the user base, what is your main goal? What would you specifically use the blog for? Would it just be for newsletters, or even more?

I would have several goals for it. Firstly, to be a newsletter. That is something every person seriously running, including yourself, Vox, and myself has expressed interest in having. Secondly, to be a blog as it was before. There is no reason to make it single-purpose, and it could provide short, current-event updates for users who are interest. Thirdly, if users had announcements or posts they wanted to make without worrying about their threads being spammed or derailed, that would be a good mechanism for that.

Ultimately, the blog has a lot of potential to serve a lot of different functions. If it was frequented enough, it could even house the fan fictions (but this would be contingent on writers agreeing to post their--I wouldn't force them to do that). I think, also, that if the blog were added to the ribbon at the top of the screen rather than kept in the footer, it would actually be viewed by more people.
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5/31/2015 7:48:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If it just involved typing and posting something like "America's War on the Poor" or "This company's dropping cigarettes...but is it really an act of altruism?" and writing an article on that topic on a perhaps monthly basis, then I'd be willing to do it.
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5/31/2015 8:17:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 7:43:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:04:40 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:58:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I don't think the two situations are analogous. Firstly, the newsletter/blog is not a forum for activity, but a weekly/monthly update to be read. It is functionally different from a forum, and it ought to be. Secondly, part of the problem of dying forums is that there is ambiguity between what goes in which sections, which wouldn't be the case in a blog. Thirdly, I think that even if forums are dying, that doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms I made about hastening that coalescence.

So, in you trying to turn the blog over to the hands of the user base, what is your main goal? What would you specifically use the blog for? Would it just be for newsletters, or even more?

I would have several goals for it. Firstly, to be a newsletter. That is something every person seriously running, including yourself, Vox, and myself has expressed interest in having. Secondly, to be a blog as it was before. There is no reason to make it single-purpose, and it could provide short, current-event updates for users who are interest. Thirdly, if users had announcements or posts they wanted to make without worrying about their threads being spammed or derailed, that would be a good mechanism for that.

Ultimately, the blog has a lot of potential to serve a lot of different functions. If it was frequented enough, it could even house the fan fictions (but this would be contingent on writers agreeing to post their--I wouldn't force them to do that). I think, also, that if the blog were added to the ribbon at the top of the screen rather than kept in the footer, it would actually be viewed by more people.

using it for fanfics is really smart - it would make the fan fics easier to follow than they are in the forums, imo.

reguardless as to whether or not i am elected, I am fully on board with this idea. I feel like the hardest part would be to get juggle to turn the blog over to the user base.
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5/31/2015 8:25:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/31/2015 8:17:05 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 7:43:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:04:40 PM, debatability wrote:
At 5/31/2015 3:58:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I don't think the two situations are analogous. Firstly, the newsletter/blog is not a forum for activity, but a weekly/monthly update to be read. It is functionally different from a forum, and it ought to be. Secondly, part of the problem of dying forums is that there is ambiguity between what goes in which sections, which wouldn't be the case in a blog. Thirdly, I think that even if forums are dying, that doesn't invalidate any of the criticisms I made about hastening that coalescence.

So, in you trying to turn the blog over to the hands of the user base, what is your main goal? What would you specifically use the blog for? Would it just be for newsletters, or even more?

I would have several goals for it. Firstly, to be a newsletter. That is something every person seriously running, including yourself, Vox, and myself has expressed interest in having. Secondly, to be a blog as it was before. There is no reason to make it single-purpose, and it could provide short, current-event updates for users who are interest. Thirdly, if users had announcements or posts they wanted to make without worrying about their threads being spammed or derailed, that would be a good mechanism for that.

Ultimately, the blog has a lot of potential to serve a lot of different functions. If it was frequented enough, it could even house the fan fictions (but this would be contingent on writers agreeing to post their--I wouldn't force them to do that). I think, also, that if the blog were added to the ribbon at the top of the screen rather than kept in the footer, it would actually be viewed by more people.

using it for fanfics is really smart - it would make the fan fics easier to follow than they are in the forums, imo.

Thanks :) I really appreciate that.

reguardless as to whether or not i am elected, I am fully on board with this idea. I feel like the hardest part would be to get juggle to turn the blog over to the user base.

I am hopeful that it will be easier to get Juggle to *not* do something (i.e. not update the blog and let other people do it) than to get them to *do* something.
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