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brandenschirpke117
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6/4/2015 8:39:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
i'll post this here, since my email has gone unanswered, i recently got voting priviliges on debates, i voted on around 3-5 debates, and i already got banned from voting, what's up with that?
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6/4/2015 8:40:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 8:39:56 AM, brandenschirpke117 wrote:
i'll post this here, since my email has gone unanswered, i recently got voting priviliges on debates, i voted on around 3-5 debates, and i already got banned from voting, what's up with that?

Don't use the emails... customer service never responds. For voting issues, you should contact bluesteel or F-16.
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6/4/2015 9:31:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 8:39:56 AM, brandenschirpke117 wrote:
i'll post this here, since my email has gone unanswered, i recently got voting priviliges on debates, i voted on around 3-5 debates, and i already got banned from voting, what's up with that?

Lack of RFD/vote bombing.
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6/4/2015 9:34:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 8:39:56 AM, brandenschirpke117 wrote:
i'll post this here, since my email has gone unanswered, i recently got voting priviliges on debates, i voted on around 3-5 debates, and i already got banned from voting, what's up with that?

You've lost your voting privileges because some of your votes were removed, in which you failed to explain your points.

For example, in a vote of yours, you gave sources and conduct to a person and your RFD was: "YouTube is an unreliable source."

(a) You *do not* explain the conduct point; only sources should be given in such a case
(b) You fail to explain *how* YouTube is an unreliable source. Some videos, for example, are of lectures by many reliable figures. So you must show *why* such a source is unreliable, or it will be considered too generic.

In another vote, you gave all 7 points to me because my opponent forfeited.

(a) Forfeiture should *only* be penalized by conduct, and, at most, arguments. Failure to explain sources and spelling & grammar.

In any vote where you award points, you must read through *every bit* of the debate, or you shouldn't vote. When you vote, read the debate from start to end, provide a valid RFD explaining every point you award, and don't be generic. For example, don't award arguments by simply saying "Con had better arguments" -- this should be explained in *detail* -- which arguments were lost, which arguments were won, *why*, etc.

Thoroughly read the Guide to Voting Using the 7-Point System (https://docs.google.com...), and the Official DDO Voting Guide for Arguments Points (http://www.debate.org...). Also read the guide explaining links and impact calculus (http://www.debate.org...). Read some RFDs from users such as Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...) and Whiteflame (http://www.debate.org...).

If you want your voting privileges back, enquire from Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...), airmax1227 (http://www.debate.org...), or F-16_Fighting_Falcon (http://www.debate.org...).

Also leave some RFDs in the comments section of debates without voting as "practise RFDs", and finish about 15. Then contact Bluesteel or F-16 linking them to the practise RFDs, so that they know you have improved.

Only after completing all this can you gain your voting privileges back.
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6/4/2015 9:46:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
In another vote, you gave all 7 points to me because my opponent forfeited.

(a) Forfeiture should *only* be penalized by conduct, and, at most, arguments. Failure to explain sources and spelling & grammar.

I remember bluesteel saying that votes on forfeiture debates aren't moderated, so you can get away with giving 7 points to one side. It's invalid to do so, but isn't punishable by any means.
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6/4/2015 11:45:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 9:46:35 AM, Varrack wrote:
In another vote, you gave all 7 points to me because my opponent forfeited.

(a) Forfeiture should *only* be penalized by conduct, and, at most, arguments. Failure to explain sources and spelling & grammar.

I remember bluesteel saying that votes on forfeiture debates aren't moderated, so you can get away with giving 7 points to one side. It's invalid to do so, but isn't punishable by any means.

It hardly matters anyway. The defeat of the forfeiting debater is certain.
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6/4/2015 2:08:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 8:39:56 AM, brandenschirpke117 wrote:
i'll post this here, since my email has gone unanswered, i recently got voting priviliges on debates, i voted on around 3-5 debates, and i already got banned from voting, what's up with that?

Accept my friend request. I'll explain through PM.
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6/4/2015 2:57:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 9:34:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Read some RFDs from users such as Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...)

Bluesteel is probably a better voter than most, but I just randomly went and looked at one of his RFD's, and found this one.

http://www.debate.org...

He said, "Conduct: Con just used this debate to creepily hit on Pro in the comments section."

So he awarded a conduct point on something that happened in the comment section rather than what actually happened in the rounds of the debate. I don't think that is proper voting.
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6/4/2015 3:44:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 11:45:26 AM, Theunkown wrote:
At 6/4/2015 9:46:35 AM, Varrack wrote:
In another vote, you gave all 7 points to me because my opponent forfeited.

(a) Forfeiture should *only* be penalized by conduct, and, at most, arguments. Failure to explain sources and spelling & grammar.

I remember bluesteel saying that votes on forfeiture debates aren't moderated, so you can get away with giving 7 points to one side. It's invalid to do so, but isn't punishable by any means.

It hardly matters anyway. The defeat of the forfeiting debater is certain.

Wrong, if only one round is forfeited they can defeat the other.
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6/4/2015 11:58:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 2:57:04 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/4/2015 9:34:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Read some RFDs from users such as Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...)

Bluesteel is probably a better voter than most, but I just randomly went and looked at one of his RFD's, and found this one.

http://www.debate.org...

He said, "Conduct: Con just used this debate to creepily hit on Pro in the comments section."

So he awarded a conduct point on something that happened in the comment section rather than what actually happened in the rounds of the debate. I don't think that is proper voting.

No, it was a valid conduct point. Con did not take a part in even *one* round of debate - accepted in R1 and said "let's become friends", and, to use Bluesteel's words, "creepily hit on Pro", and did the same in the comments. The point of his *accepting* the debate was the same.

But obviously Whiteflame and Bluesteel have some bad votes, but overall they're the best voters around here.
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6/5/2015 12:08:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 2:57:04 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/4/2015 9:34:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Read some RFDs from users such as Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...)

Bluesteel is probably a better voter than most, but I just randomly went and looked at one of his RFD's, and found this one.

http://www.debate.org...

He said, "Conduct: Con just used this debate to creepily hit on Pro in the comments section."

So he awarded a conduct point on something that happened in the comment section rather than what actually happened in the rounds of the debate. I don't think that is proper voting.

Actually, it happened in the debate as well.
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6/5/2015 3:29:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
On forfeited debates:

There is a difference between a single round being forfeited and the entire debate being forfeited with no substantial arguments from one side.

In the former case, it will be moderated just like any other debate. Only the conduct point is a given. Arguments and other points should be explained just like in any other debate. If it is a select winner system, RFDs will be still be held to the same level of moderation as a non-forfeited debate.

The latter case will not be moderated. If a debater forfeits or concedes all rounds besides acceptance and provides no substantive arguments while their opponent posts arguments, we won't moderate votes that award all points to the one that didn't forfeit.
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6/5/2015 3:32:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 2:57:04 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/4/2015 9:34:48 AM, tejretics wrote:
Read some RFDs from users such as Bluesteel (http://www.debate.org...)

Bluesteel is probably a better voter than most, but I just randomly went and looked at one of his RFD's, and found this one.

http://www.debate.org...

He said, "Conduct: Con just used this debate to creepily hit on Pro in the comments section."

So he awarded a conduct point on something that happened in the comment section rather than what actually happened in the rounds of the debate. I don't think that is proper voting.

That debate is a non-serious debate and falls outside the scope of moderation. Unless it is a very exceptional case, we don't moderate them.