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6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM
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Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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6/8/2015 7:39:21 PM
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Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

LOL
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6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM
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At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
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Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.
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6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM
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At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
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Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?
Romanii
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6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM
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At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.
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6/8/2015 7:55:01 PM
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what did he shave?
"Delete your fvcking sig" -1hard

"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
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6/8/2015 7:57:24 PM
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At 6/8/2015 7:55:01 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
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what did he shave?

His @$$
jk

Join :P
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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6/8/2015 7:59:53 PM
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At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Nice. consider yourself lucky as there are people like me who can't grow anything like that.
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6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.
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6/9/2015 12:12:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

umm... I can assure you that the "gates to bliss" will also shut in your face if you remain hairy...

if you know what i mean...
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
Romanii
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6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.
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6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!
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6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".
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6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.
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6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM
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At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.
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6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.
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6/10/2015 10:20:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.

I'm not sure which writings you're referring to...
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6/10/2015 11:01:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 10:20:48 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.

I'm not sure which writings you're referring to...

1. Courageous Lord Nanak replied:
The true divine sunnat (injunction) is the hair brought by birth.
Blessed is the one who keeps the hair as a trust of God.
The primary sunnat is hair and the one who adorns it on his head acquires the status of a rishi (sage) or a sayyid (Muslim holy man)
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

2. Says Nanak, the hair is the blessing of the Lord to man which ought to be presented back. The man has to present himself in the court of Lord with this trust. The one who could not keep the hair intact has is in fact committed breach of trust and is to be regarded as faithless.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

3. Says Nanak to Pir Bahavdeen, both Hindus and Muslims by losing the hair in fact have lost head and have become sirgum.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 138)

4. The words of a Sikh saint: "God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave man a beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?"
(Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama)

5. Another: "God has made the human perfect, but the dishonourable destroy it.
They will find no place in the Court of God, like the unbeliever, dog and Satanist."
(Guru Nanak Janam Sakhi)
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6/10/2015 11:08:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 11:01:15 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/10/2015 10:20:48 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.

I'm not sure which writings you're referring to...

1. Courageous Lord Nanak replied:
The true divine sunnat (injunction) is the hair brought by birth.
Blessed is the one who keeps the hair as a trust of God.
The primary sunnat is hair and the one who adorns it on his head acquires the status of a rishi (sage) or a sayyid (Muslim holy man)
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

2. Says Nanak, the hair is the blessing of the Lord to man which ought to be presented back. The man has to present himself in the court of Lord with this trust. The one who could not keep the hair intact has is in fact committed breach of trust and is to be regarded as faithless.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

3. Says Nanak to Pir Bahavdeen, both Hindus and Muslims by losing the hair in fact have lost head and have become sirgum.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 138)

4. The words of a Sikh saint: "God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave man a beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?"
(Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama)

5. Another: "God has made the human perfect, but the dishonourable destroy it.
They will find no place in the Court of God, like the unbeliever, dog and Satanist."
(Guru Nanak Janam Sakhi)

Lol I've never even heard of those books... are they actually even historically accurate? >.>
And considering that Sikhism maintains Religious Pluralism (i.e. many paths to God), such dogmatic and exclusivist claims would seem to be self-contradictory
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6/10/2015 11:44:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 11:08:27 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 11:01:15 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/10/2015 10:20:48 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.

I'm not sure which writings you're referring to...

1. Courageous Lord Nanak replied:
The true divine sunnat (injunction) is the hair brought by birth.
Blessed is the one who keeps the hair as a trust of God.
The primary sunnat is hair and the one who adorns it on his head acquires the status of a rishi (sage) or a sayyid (Muslim holy man)
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

2. Says Nanak, the hair is the blessing of the Lord to man which ought to be presented back. The man has to present himself in the court of Lord with this trust. The one who could not keep the hair intact has is in fact committed breach of trust and is to be regarded as faithless.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

3. Says Nanak to Pir Bahavdeen, both Hindus and Muslims by losing the hair in fact have lost head and have become sirgum.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 138)

4. The words of a Sikh saint: "God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave man a beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?"
(Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama)

5. Another: "God has made the human perfect, but the dishonourable destroy it.
They will find no place in the Court of God, like the unbeliever, dog and Satanist."
(Guru Nanak Janam Sakhi)

Lol I've never even heard of those books... are they actually even historically accurate? >.>
And considering that Sikhism maintains Religious Pluralism (i.e. many paths to God), such dogmatic and exclusivist claims would seem to be self-contradictory

Google them, they are preserved in the original gurmukhi.
Also I really don't see how Sikhism maintains or condones omnism (RP).
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6/11/2015 2:03:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/10/2015 11:44:14 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/10/2015 11:08:27 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 11:01:15 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/10/2015 10:20:48 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/10/2015 4:25:32 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 1:25:35 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:39:05 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:37:45 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:36:31 PM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/9/2015 12:24:50 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/9/2015 11:51:04 AM, Ajabi wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:49:31 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:45:57 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:40:05 PM, Romanii wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:34:45 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 6/8/2015 7:31:47 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
https://plus.google.com...

Now I'm not sure I want to.. o_o

Dw, I turned my camera off.
Your eyes will be safe and sound.

Do you usually have a beard or something? Or maybe sideburns?

Sideburns, yes.
They are beautiful. Unfortunately, my dad is not a fan and periodically forces me to shave.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1369, Ang 344, Ang 941, Ang 567,
A religious injunction to all Sikhs through the writings of Guru Nanak, and Guru Gobind Singh, also through Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The cutting of hair, kesh, is forbidden and the punishment is clear: you shall become disillusioned from God, and the gates to bliss will close for you if you cut any hair on your body.

Lolll if you actually look at those lines, that's a *very* interesting way to interpret them...
Warning in advance -- idioms and commonly-used metaphors, when translated into another language, tend to come out sounding very strange...

Ang 1369-16: "... you have not shaved [read: purified] your mind, so why do you shave your head?"
(there are other lines in the book which say things along the line of "you have not cleansed your soul, so why cleanse your body"... does that = a prohibition on bathing?)

Ang 344-6: "...and on each and every hair, the Lord abides."
(a single isolated metaphorical line in the context of an entire hymn full of other metaphors like "the candle of God's light", "washing away sins", and "rivers of knowledge".)

Ang 941-5: "The Gurmukh [read: Saint] meditates on the Lord with every hair of his body."
(again, a single isolated idiom... other places in the book talk about "planting the name of the Lord" and "vibrating on his name"...)

Ang 567-9: "...and Your hair is so long."
(in the context of an entire hymn talking about the beauty of "the Great Lord Master" and his figurative eyes, voice, form, etc)

Like I said, that stuff about an divinely-ordained ban on shaving is a very interesting interpretation of those lines... scriptural literalists suck.
And so does whoever translated these things. Some things are best left in their original language.

Debate!!!!! Lezz do it. Is not cutting hair a necessity in Sikhism. Lezz get at it!

Define "necessity".

Its a religious injunction.

I sort of want to take you up on this, but it feels like it will just be an enormous No-True-Scotsman debate... even a religion as simple as Sikhism has a couple different interpretations of it.

Have you read Guru Nanak's writings while on journey to Mecca? Its rather clear on this matter.

I'm not sure which writings you're referring to...

1. Courageous Lord Nanak replied:
The true divine sunnat (injunction) is the hair brought by birth.
Blessed is the one who keeps the hair as a trust of God.
The primary sunnat is hair and the one who adorns it on his head acquires the status of a rishi (sage) or a sayyid (Muslim holy man)
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

2. Says Nanak, the hair is the blessing of the Lord to man which ought to be presented back. The man has to present himself in the court of Lord with this trust. The one who could not keep the hair intact has is in fact committed breach of trust and is to be regarded as faithless.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 144)

3. Says Nanak to Pir Bahavdeen, both Hindus and Muslims by losing the hair in fact have lost head and have become sirgum.
(Conversation of Mecca-Madina, page 138)

4. The words of a Sikh saint: "God created the whole universe and then he fashioned the human body. He gave man a beard, moustaches and hair on the head. He who submits to His Will steadfastly adheres to them. They who deny His Will how will they find God in this world?"
(Bhai Desa Singh Rehatnama)

5. Another: "God has made the human perfect, but the dishonourable destroy it.
They will find no place in the Court of God, like the unbeliever, dog and Satanist."
(Guru Nanak Janam Sakhi)

Lol I've never even heard of those books... are they actually even historically accurate? >.>
And considering that Sikhism maintains Religious Pluralism (i.e. many paths to God), such dogmatic and exclusivist claims would seem to be self-contradictory

Google them, they are preserved in the original gurmukhi.
Also I really don't see how Sikhism maintains or condones omnism (RP).

I'd rather debate you on Religious Pluralism than the in's and out's of Sikh Theology :P