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6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.
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6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.
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6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!
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6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?
Zarroette
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6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??
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6/18/2015 5:05:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??

Good. I had some exams of my own - the professional skills tests (literacy & numeracy) for my teaching placement - which were such a waste of time...
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6/18/2015 5:08:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:05:21 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??

Good. I had some exams of my own - the professional skills tests (literacy & numeracy) for my teaching placement - which were such a waste of time...

You're not going to teach in England, are you? The curriculum is so sterilised! It's that kind of tick-the-box exercise that is so boring for both teachers and students.
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6/18/2015 5:12:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:08:08 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:05:21 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??

Good. I had some exams of my own - the professional skills tests (literacy & numeracy) for my teaching placement - which were such a waste of time...

You're not going to teach in England, are you? The curriculum is so sterilised! It's that kind of tick-the-box exercise that is so boring for both teachers and students.

Yes, but I am teaching in an academy - which is decoupled from the national curriculum. So they use their own exam boards etc. I think it is a much needed detachment from the overt level of standardisation being enforced which teaches kids less and less about what they need to know in life and in academia.

Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?
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6/18/2015 5:15:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:12:03 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:08:08 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:05:21 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??

Good. I had some exams of my own - the professional skills tests (literacy & numeracy) for my teaching placement - which were such a waste of time...

You're not going to teach in England, are you? The curriculum is so sterilised! It's that kind of tick-the-box exercise that is so boring for both teachers and students.

Yes, but I am teaching in an academy - which is decoupled from the national curriculum. So they use their own exam boards etc.

That's very good to read.

I think it is a much needed detachment from the overt level of standardisation being enforced which teaches kids less and less about what they need to know in life and in academia.

Exactly.


Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?

No. 5-12 y/os. Although, I've already had plenty of training, considering that I'm basically the legal guardian of my brothers, due to how much I do for them.
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6/18/2015 6:05:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?

No. 5-12 y/os. Although, I've already had plenty of training, considering that I'm basically the legal guardian of my brothers, due to how much I do for them.

So, how long is your course?
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6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.
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6/18/2015 7:59:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
That's the thing. Debate is not necessarily an academic exercise where you're expected to show reading comprehension by putting other people's ideas in your own words.

Debate is merely a matter of persuasion. The point is say something that convinces people to believe in your platform. If someone else said something in a convincing manner, then you're entitled to use someone's words in their entirety.
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6/18/2015 8:04:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
On the side, this is a major problem in modern debate clubs. A lot of debate clubs are associated with schools, so in turn, they take academic standards and apply them where they really shouldn't apply. Children are brought up to debate in a way that doesn't really count.

In the courtroom, for example, yes, you are entitled to cite someone word for word over lengthy passages for the sake of precedent. In fact, if you DON'T cite someone word for word, it's possible that you'll be criticized for interpreting someone else's words in advance rather than letting others interpret those words for themselves.
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6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.
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6/18/2015 9:20:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 5:12:03 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:08:08 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:05:21 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:02:26 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 5:00:05 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:59:00 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:51:23 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

Call him out on it in the debate, give the citation, and continue as normal. You will probably be rewarded the win by voters as a result.

^ This

You should listen to Envisage. I'm sure he has thoroughly considered the implications of plagiarism, after he started losing to a girl a decade younger than him. Some people just get really desperate to win!!

Hi Cassie, how are you? Did your exams go well?

Heyy, Shaun. I'm pretty incredible, as always. Of course my exams went well -- *I* sat them ;)

How's things with you??

Good. I had some exams of my own - the professional skills tests (literacy & numeracy) for my teaching placement - which were such a waste of time...

You're not going to teach in England, are you? The curriculum is so sterilised! It's that kind of tick-the-box exercise that is so boring for both teachers and students.

Yes, but I am teaching in an academy - which is decoupled from the national curriculum. So they use their own exam boards etc. I think it is a much needed detachment from the overt level of standardisation being enforced which teaches kids less and less about what they need to know in life and in academia.

Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?

The British curriculum is standardised? My geography teacher (who sometimes C/Ps British exams, but modifies the marking schemes to fit our regions') says British exams allow much more room for the student to think and apply what they've learnt, i.e. they're much less standardised than ours.
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6/18/2015 10:05:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 6:05:09 AM, Envisage wrote:
Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?

No. 5-12 y/os. Although, I've already had plenty of training, considering that I'm basically the legal guardian of my brothers, due to how much I do for them.

So, how long is your course?

About 10 centimetres, 12 if you're using size 18 font.
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6/19/2015 2:46:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 10:05:25 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/18/2015 6:05:09 AM, Envisage wrote:
Are you training to teach 11-18 YO too?

No. 5-12 y/os. Although, I've already had plenty of training, considering that I'm basically the legal guardian of my brothers, due to how much I do for them.

So, how long is your course?

About 10 centimetres, 12 if you're using size 18 font.

Lol.
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6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.
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6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.
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6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.
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6/19/2015 10:22:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If your opponent is unwilling to put use his own time for his own arguments, I do not see why you should feel obliged to do so yourself. Plagiarism should warrant automatic loss.
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6/19/2015 10:22:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

No...the point is that article has nothing to do with "academic" or "non-academic" plagiarism; just plagiarism in general, obviously.
I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.

You explained bullsht, and I'm glad you won't again.
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6/19/2015 10:24:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:22:08 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

No...the point is that article has nothing to do with "academic" or "non-academic" plagiarism; just plagiarism in general, obviously.
I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.

You explained bullsht, and I'm glad you won't again.

No, that's what you did. Stop projecting. All you did was refer to a source without saying what part of the source backs up your claim.
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6/19/2015 10:26:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:24:02 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:22:08 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

No...the point is that article has nothing to do with "academic" or "non-academic" plagiarism; just plagiarism in general, obviously.
I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.

You explained bullsht, and I'm glad you won't again.

No, that's what you did. Stop projecting. All you did was refer to a source without saying what part of the source backs up your claim.

"copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not"

Did you even read the thing?
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6/19/2015 10:27:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:26:10 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:24:02 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:22:08 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

No...the point is that article has nothing to do with "academic" or "non-academic" plagiarism; just plagiarism in general, obviously.
I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.

You explained bullsht, and I'm glad you won't again.

No, that's what you did. Stop projecting. All you did was refer to a source without saying what part of the source backs up your claim.

"copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not"

Did you even read the thing?

Yea, I did. Did you read what follows about "fair use"?
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6/19/2015 10:35:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The point of your article was to focus on artistic license in the media a la copyright infringement.

When debating, copyright infringement isn't the concern. You're allowed to cite as much as you want because there aren't direct commercial interests at stake.
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6/19/2015 10:37:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:27:17 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:26:10 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:24:02 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:22:08 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:17:11 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:45:32 AM, RevNge wrote:
At 6/19/2015 9:43:38 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 9:11:16 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
At 6/18/2015 7:55:55 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/18/2015 4:45:37 AM, Cotton_Candy wrote:
So in this debate : http://www.debate.org...

my opponent has just copied the entirity of his arguments from a single website ( http://www.academia.edu... ) without even editing it. He has in the end provided the link of the website from where he copied his contents from, though.
I'm relatively new here so I'm confused as to whether I should be responding to his ripped off arguments or not.

If your opponent cited the arguments, then it's not plagiarism.

Sometimes, someone else says exactly what you want to say even if it's a lot to be said, so you quote it and cite it.

Well if it's not plagiarism I would at least call it unethical to just pass of someone else's work as your own putting absolutely no effort into it.

If you cite it, then you're not passing it as your own.

http://www.plagiarism.org...

You clearly don't know what plagiarism is if you believe that.

No... the point is you're confusing academic with non-academic standards of plagiarism.

No...the point is that article has nothing to do with "academic" or "non-academic" plagiarism; just plagiarism in general, obviously.
I explained this before, so I won't explain it again.

You explained bullsht, and I'm glad you won't again.

No, that's what you did. Stop projecting. All you did was refer to a source without saying what part of the source backs up your claim.

"copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not"

Did you even read the thing?

Yea, I did. Did you read what follows about "fair use"?

"You are allowed to borrow ideas or phrases from other sources provided you cite them properly and your usage is consistent with the guidelines set by fair use laws. As a rule, however, you should be careful about borrowing too liberally -- if the case can be made that your work consists predominantly of someone else's words or ideas, you may still be susceptible to charges of plagiarism. Also, if you follow the words of a source too closely, and do not use quotation marks, it can be considered plagiarism even if you cite the source."

http://www.plagiarism.org...
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6/19/2015 10:38:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:35:58 AM, Daktoria wrote:
The point of your article was to focus on artistic license in the media a la copyright infringement.

When debating, copyright infringement isn't the concern. You're allowed to cite as much as you want because there aren't direct commercial interests at stake.

Under your conception of plagiarism is then, there's nothing wrong with plagiarizing a school paper, since there are no direct commercial interests at stake. Sure, the stakes are higher when there's money involved, but when there isn't that doesn't mean plagiarism is alright.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.
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6/19/2015 10:41:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:38:06 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:35:58 AM, Daktoria wrote:
The point of your article was to focus on artistic license in the media a la copyright infringement.

When debating, copyright infringement isn't the concern. You're allowed to cite as much as you want because there aren't direct commercial interests at stake.

Under your conception of plagiarism is then, there's nothing wrong with plagiarizing a school paper, since there are no direct commercial interests at stake. Sure, the stakes are higher when there's money involved, but when there isn't that doesn't mean plagiarism is alright.

No... what did I say before about academia?
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6/19/2015 10:42:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/19/2015 10:41:34 AM, Daktoria wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:38:06 AM, Subutai wrote:
At 6/19/2015 10:35:58 AM, Daktoria wrote:
The point of your article was to focus on artistic license in the media a la copyright infringement.

When debating, copyright infringement isn't the concern. You're allowed to cite as much as you want because there aren't direct commercial interests at stake.

Under your conception of plagiarism is then, there's nothing wrong with plagiarizing a school paper, since there are no direct commercial interests at stake. Sure, the stakes are higher when there's money involved, but when there isn't that doesn't mean plagiarism is alright.

No... what did I say before about academia?

I don't see anything in your post that relates to academia.
I'm becoming less defined as days go by, fading away, and well you might say, I'm losing focus, kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself.