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Thorae
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8/22/2010 1:12:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why do people arguing against his existence try to disprove the Judeo-Christian God rather than all Gods? Even if you do disprove Yahweh, you haven't proved or disproved God.

I'd be happy to argue with anyone about just about anything philosophical BTW.
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8/22/2010 1:16:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
We stick with the Judeo-Christian god since a majority of people worship that one, and sure, you could go around talking about each individual god, but most arguments against the Judeo-Christian god apply to most other gods too.
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8/22/2010 1:16:40 PM
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Because most of us live in a western culture and people tend to argue against/for the most popular conception of God.
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8/22/2010 1:19:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:16:09 PM, burningpuppies101 wrote:
We stick with the Judeo-Christian god since a majority of people worship that one, and sure, you could go around talking about each individual god, but most arguments against the Judeo-Christian god apply to most other gods too.

That's kind of a silly thing to say. It assumes that the nature of God remains the same regardless of any belief.
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8/22/2010 1:20:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:16:40 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Because most of us live in a western culture and people tend to argue against/for the most popular conception of God.

This.
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8/22/2010 1:20:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:19:44 PM, innomen wrote:
At 8/22/2010 1:16:09 PM, burningpuppies101 wrote:
We stick with the Judeo-Christian god since a majority of people worship that one, and sure, you could go around talking about each individual god, but most arguments against the Judeo-Christian god apply to most other gods too.

That's kind of a silly thing to say. It assumes that the nature of God remains the same regardless of any belief.

Yeah, Yahwey got nothing on Zeus lightning bolt throwing skills.
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Thorae
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8/22/2010 1:22:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Just wondering, has anyone here heard of Deism?
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8/22/2010 1:26:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
My current theory is that many Christians/Muslims/etc. actually are Deists. A poll showed that 24.4% of Christians believe in a noninterventionist God which is a defining quality of Deism, and next to none of them knew what Deism was.
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8/22/2010 1:43:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:22:01 PM, Thorae wrote:
Just wondering, has anyone here heard of Deism?

LOL
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8/22/2010 1:44:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
First of all, there are many arguments put forth by Atheists that apply to God in general, and not just the Judeo-Christian God. We know that God is a first cause and God has the 4 omni's, and so many arguments can be formulated around these other than merely making arguments against Yahweh.

Also, Christianity, Islam, are the two largest religions in the world, Judaism is close, so the majority of God believers believe in the Judeo-Christian God and thus, it makes the effort more worth it if you refute the God that most people believe in.
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8/22/2010 1:44:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:26:17 PM, Thorae wrote:
My current theory is that many Christians/Muslims/etc. actually are Deists. A poll showed that 24.4% of Christians believe in a noninterventionist God which is a defining quality of Deism, and next to none of them knew what Deism was.

You just contradicted yourself. 24.4% is not the majority.
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8/22/2010 1:47:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@ Thorae

"Religion: Other." What religion do you adhere to?
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Thorae
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8/22/2010 1:48:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@Geo
No, the 4 omni's are not defining qualities.

@panda
I actually never claimed it was a majority. If I did, sorry, I didn't mean to.
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8/22/2010 1:48:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:47:47 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Thorae

"Religion: Other." What religion do you adhere to?

Lol. Geo always wants to know what religion someone is.
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8/22/2010 1:50:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:12:44 PM, Thorae wrote:
Why do people arguing against his existence try to disprove the Judeo-Christian God rather than all Gods? Even if you do disprove Yahweh, you haven't proved or disproved God.

I'd be happy to argue with anyone about just about anything philosophical BTW.

Universal arguments against all conceptions of God are ultimately logically flawed, specific Gods can be demonstrated to be false or at least unlikely.
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8/22/2010 1:50:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm not really sure what my religion is. The closest match would likely be Deism.
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8/22/2010 1:51:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:26:17 PM, Thorae wrote:
My current theory is that many Christians/Muslims/etc. actually are Deists. A poll showed that 24.4% of Christians believe in a noninterventionist God which is a defining quality of Deism, and next to none of them knew what Deism was.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism all posit an interventionist God.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/22/2010 1:54:37 PM
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Christianity, Islam and Judaism all posit an interventionist God.

I'm aware of that, but people have their own beliefs.
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8/22/2010 1:55:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:54:37 PM, Thorae wrote:
Christianity, Islam and Judaism all posit an interventionist God.

I'm aware of that, but people have their own beliefs.

Yea, like I'm some kind of Deist or agnostic theist. My views are confusing.
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8/22/2010 1:56:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:48:16 PM, Thorae wrote:
@Geo
No, the 4 omni's are not defining qualities.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "Theists believe that reality's ultimate principle is God—an omnipotent, omniscient, goodness that is the creative ground of everything other than itself. Monotheism is the view that there is only one such God."

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: "God is the greatest possible being; it is in the very nature of God that he essentially (and necessarily) possess all compossible perfections."
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Thorae
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8/22/2010 2:01:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The definition is wrong, plain and simple. Deism contradicts it.
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Kinesis
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8/22/2010 2:03:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:12:44 PM, Thorae wrote:
Why do people arguing against his existence try to disprove the Judeo-Christian God rather than all Gods? Even if you do disprove Yahweh, you haven't proved or disproved God.

I'd be happy to argue with anyone about just about anything philosophical BTW.

Because we'd get laughed at?
Thorae
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8/22/2010 2:05:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Might I suggest Atheists use scientific rather than philosophical arguments. The philosophical arguments are inherently flawed, while the scientific arguments are not. I disagree with the scientific arguments for atheism I´ve seen, but they are more credible.
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8/22/2010 2:07:39 PM
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Definitions have to universally define everything it covers over. That is not a unifying definition of a God.
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8/22/2010 2:08:41 PM
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At 8/22/2010 2:01:24 PM, Thorae wrote:
The definition is wrong, plain and simple.

When it comes to definition of philosophical terms, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is an authoritative source. Your definition can't override.

Actually, you haven't even provided a definition, so if you're going to reject one, present your alternative.

Deism contradicts it.

No it doesn't Deism usually refers to a non-intervening God or also refers to the mere belief in God with no religious adherence. None of this contradicts the above definition.
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8/22/2010 2:08:45 PM
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At 8/22/2010 1:55:20 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/22/2010 1:54:37 PM, Thorae wrote:
Christianity, Islam and Judaism all posit an interventionist God.

I'm aware of that, but people have their own beliefs.

Yea, like I'm some kind of Deist or agnostic theist. My views are confusing.

Yea I can see the appeal of it.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/22/2010 2:08:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 2:05:33 PM, Thorae wrote:
Might I suggest Atheists use scientific rather than philosophical arguments. The philosophical arguments are inherently flawed, while the scientific arguments are not. I disagree with the scientific arguments for atheism I've seen, but they are more credible.

Philosophical arguments aren't inherently flawed. I'm pretty sure that you can't argue for or against God's existence without looking to metaphysics - a branch of philosophy in which the physical sciences play a large role.