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7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
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7/28/2015 7:30:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You cannot have a free DDO without necroposting and you cannot have necroposting without a free DDO.
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7/28/2015 8:27:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 7:30:57 PM, n7 wrote:
You cannot have a free DDO without necroposting and you cannot have necroposting without a free DDO.

Necroposting is spam. Allowing necroposting would be displaying negligence for the rules of the site.
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7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?
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7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?
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7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.
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7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

However, posts made to a thread that improve them or contribute to the discussion are fine.
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7/28/2015 9:24:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In essence, you are asking for Airmax to walk down a slope that would only serve to kill DDO.
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7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.

However, posts made to a thread that improve them or contribute to the discussion are fine.

Again, I fail to see your point.
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7/28/2015 9:27:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

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7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?
However, posts made to a thread that improve them or contribute to the discussion are fine.

Again, I fail to see your point.
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7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
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7/28/2015 9:30:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

That doesn't address the question.
If you are concerned about spamming, why is necroposting, which may be a thread of value and could start conversation anew more of a crime than someone who posts a new thread of zero value?
Why should one be punished and not the other?
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7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.
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7/28/2015 9:33:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

Posting to spam the forum (i.e. making single-worded posts to bump 4 year old threads).

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

Deletion of the post and three-strikes for the necroposter - then temp-ban.

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section.
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7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
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7/28/2015 9:34:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.

Why is necroposting "bad"?
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7/28/2015 9:35:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:30:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

That doesn't address the question.
If you are concerned about spamming, why is necroposting, which may be a thread of value and could start conversation anew more of a crime than someone who posts a new thread of zero value?
Why should one be punished and not the other?

The thoughtful person shouldn't be banned, as they aren't spamming due to their intellectual contribution to the site. Bumping an askbob thread from 6 years ago with a sentence irrelevant to anything is spam, and holds no value.
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7/28/2015 9:36:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
"Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section."

Spam is spam, no matter who is doing it or what their intentions are. As someone who plans to study the law; I would expect you to know that you cannot pick and choose which ones to enforce, if you wish to maintain order.
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7/28/2015 9:37:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:35:41 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

That doesn't address the question.
If you are concerned about spamming, why is necroposting, which may be a thread of value and could start conversation anew more of a crime than someone who posts a new thread of zero value?
Why should one be punished and not the other?

The thoughtful person shouldn't be banned, as they aren't spamming due to their intellectual contribution to the site. Bumping an askbob thread from 6 years ago with a sentence irrelevant to anything is spam, and holds no value.
You are arguing that people should be banned for something you do regularly. Can you not see that?
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7/28/2015 9:37:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:34:16 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.

Why is necroposting "bad"?

Because it buries threads relevant to the site (like adspam) in favor of utterly irrelevant threads from long ago. It is therefore spam.
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7/28/2015 9:38:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:37:29 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:16 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.

Why is necroposting "bad"?

Because it buries threads relevant to the site (like adspam) in favor of utterly irrelevant threads from long ago. It is therefore spam.

Well, that could have been "hot topics" that provoke discussion.
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7/28/2015 9:39:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:36:07 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
"Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section."

Spam is spam, no matter who is doing it or what their intentions are. As someone who plans to study the law; I would expect you to know that you cannot pick and choose which ones to enforce, if you wish to maintain order.

I don't care about your subjective view of how to maintain order in society if it is absolutely irrelevant.
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7/28/2015 9:40:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:37:22 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:35:41 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

That doesn't address the question.
If you are concerned about spamming, why is necroposting, which may be a thread of value and could start conversation anew more of a crime than someone who posts a new thread of zero value?
Why should one be punished and not the other?

The thoughtful person shouldn't be banned, as they aren't spamming due to their intellectual contribution to the site. Bumping an askbob thread from 6 years ago with a sentence irrelevant to anything is spam, and holds no value.
You are arguing that people should be banned for something you do regularly. Can you not see that?

I don't regularly necropost, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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7/28/2015 9:40:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:39:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:36:07 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:28:38 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:26:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:23:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.
Harder, I'm going to put increased moderation (something you seem to be extremely pro but only in your favor) into a perspective that also affects you.

Since spam is defined as "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients", anyone who has participated in an argument within a thread needs to be banned. This includes you as merely adding posts to the thread does not contribute to the overall topic.

I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Put simply, what you are asking Airmax to do would get you banned as well.
Or do you think that flame-wars should be excluded, if moderation on spam is increased?

Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
"Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section."

Spam is spam, no matter who is doing it or what their intentions are. As someone who plans to study the law; I would expect you to know that you cannot pick and choose which ones to enforce, if you wish to maintain order.

I don't care about your subjective view of how to maintain order in society if it is absolutely irrelevant.
If maintaining order on the site is not your intent, what was the point of making this thread?
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7/28/2015 9:41:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:38:26 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:37:29 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:16 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 7/28/2015 6:31:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
The necroposting has gotten ridiculous, and it's time to start punishing people who necropost beyond a reasonable amount. This is just spam now.

Just a thought.

Why is necroposting "bad"?

Because it buries threads relevant to the site (like adspam) in favor of utterly irrelevant threads from long ago. It is therefore spam.

Well, that could have been "hot topics" that provoke discussion.

If you're talking about bumping a thread to make a thoughtful post, then that is not spam due to it's intellectual value.
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7/28/2015 9:42:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:40:02 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:37:22 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:35:41 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:37 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:22:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:55:58 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

I would like to add:
4. How does necroposting differ from other unsubstansive and thoughtless posting? Isn't a new topic that has no intellectual value worse than necroposting with an actual thoughtful post?

Necroposting with a thoughtful post is an extremely rare occurrence.

That doesn't address the question.
If you are concerned about spamming, why is necroposting, which may be a thread of value and could start conversation anew more of a crime than someone who posts a new thread of zero value?
Why should one be punished and not the other?

The thoughtful person shouldn't be banned, as they aren't spamming due to their intellectual contribution to the site. Bumping an askbob thread from 6 years ago with a sentence irrelevant to anything is spam, and holds no value.
You are arguing that people should be banned for something you do regularly. Can you not see that?

I don't regularly necropost, so I don't know what you're talking about.
No. You regularly get into flame-wars. Like other forms of spam (irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients), they hold no value and do not contribute to the topic of the thread.
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7/28/2015 9:43:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:40:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:39:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:36:07 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
"Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section."

Spam is spam, no matter who is doing it or what their intentions are. As someone who plans to study the law; I would expect you to know that you cannot pick and choose which ones to enforce, if you wish to maintain order.

I don't care about your subjective view of how to maintain order in society if it is absolutely irrelevant.
If maintaining order on the site is not your intent, what was the point of making this thread?

To stop relevant threads from being buried by necroposting, and I'm also a bit pissed off about having my notifications spammed by people necroposting in months old threads, replying to my old posting to annoy me, so now I'm going to push this to Max as hard as possible.
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7/28/2015 9:45:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:33:14 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 8:49:31 PM, Zaradi wrote:
I feel like a few questions need to be answered before any kind of moderation could be rightfully taken against people who necropost:

1. How, exactly, do we define necroposting? What kind of time frame is there before a thread is "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting? Is it any posting in dead threads at all, regardless of intellectual merit, that constitutes necroposting?

Posting to spam the forum (i.e. making single-worded posts to bump 4 year old threads).

A few questions:
1. What distinctions, if any, does the length of time have to do with the post? Is it the post itself or the length of time between the necro and the last post in the thread?
2. If it's the time, where's the bright line? At what age do we consider a thread to be "dead" and posting in it would be necroposting?
3. Is content irrelevant to the post itself? Are people who make intelligent thoughtful responses to the OP just as much in the wrong as people who reply just to say "lol"?

2. What kind of punishment would necroposting merit? Deletion of the thread? Temp ban? If you're going to banning, what kind of time frame? A day? A week?

Deletion of the post and three-strikes for the necroposter - then temp-ban.

A few more questions:

1. What good does deleting the post do if the thread still gets bumped?
2. How long of a temp-ban are you suggesting?
3. If it's as serious a problem as you seem to suggest, why three strike? Why not one warning then temp ban, or just no warning at all and temp ban?

3. Is this issue more worth our attention in moderating than other issues affecting the site?

Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section.

There's more on Airmax's plate than just the polls section.

Like, I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm asking you for. I don't want vague and not really helpful general suggestions. I want you to pitch a policy at me on what you thing should be done in regards to moderating necroposting.
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7/28/2015 9:46:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/28/2015 9:43:49 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:40:15 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:39:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:36:07 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:34:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:52 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 7/28/2015 9:30:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Moderation on necroposting is irrelevant to personal arguments between members.
Nope. It is still spam.

It's not even close to the level of negativity as extreme necroposting.
"Airmax has enough time to ban a few repeat-offending necroposters. This shouldn't be of any trouble. Getting rid of spammers in the forum is just as important as getting rid of overtly racist trolls in the polls section."

Spam is spam, no matter who is doing it or what their intentions are. As someone who plans to study the law; I would expect you to know that you cannot pick and choose which ones to enforce, if you wish to maintain order.

I don't care about your subjective view of how to maintain order in society if it is absolutely irrelevant.
If maintaining order on the site is not your intent, what was the point of making this thread?

To stop relevant threads from being buried by necroposting, and I'm also a bit pissed off about having my notifications spammed by people necroposting in months old threads, replying to my old posting to annoy me, so now I'm going to push this to Max as hard as possible.
So. This thread does not pertain to the site as a whole but merely serves to display your frustration over an action taken by members? By your own admission, this thread needs to be deleted for not pertaining to the site. It serves as spam upon the DDO Forum.
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