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The-Voice-of-Truth
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9/10/2015 5:07:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Hello all! This is the sign-up thread for the September Beginner's Debating Tournament.

I am the mod. Lannan13 is the co-mod. Any questions about the tournament can be directed to either one of us.

This tournament is intended for beginners. Beginners will be debaters with an ELO score of 3000 or less, or an ELO score of 2500 or higher with 20 or less debates.

In this tourney, there will be 8 participants as well as 8 coaches. The participants will be the ones debating (as it goes without saying), and the coaches will help their assigned pupil with debating. A participant-coach combination will be called a team.

The line-up for this tournament will be completely randomized in a bracket system. Once the line-up is established, each of the 2 debating teams will have 3 days to agree on a resolution or topic. If the 2 teams fail to agree on a topic, one will be assigned by the mod and/or co-mod. If a debate topic is assigned to participants after the 3-day discussion period, debaters will have an extra 24 hours to start their debates.

There are no restrictions pertaining to debate layout.

Roster:

Debaters:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. [Reserved for lannan13]
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 5:45:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!


With the factor of the other following ceilings in place.
-Under 10 months on DDO
-Under 50 Debates.
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9/10/2015 5:47:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:45:22 PM, TheDebater_101 wrote:
I would like to join the tournament

Then sign yourself up.
Suh dude

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"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

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9/10/2015 5:51:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I will not sign people up for them unless the slot has been reserved.
Suh dude

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"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/10/2015 5:55:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:45:02 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!


With the factor of the other following ceilings in place.
-Under 10 months on DDO
-Under 50 Debates.


Hm. I don't qualify for the 10 months because I made my account then stopped using DDO for a year, so I'm technically two months old.

Is there some way I could be eligible?
Or you could just stick me in.
Maybe you could also include a stipulation which says something like
-Under 10 months on DDO
-Under 50 Debates.
OR
Passes mod inspection for eligibility


Or you could change that particular ceiling?
Some people might be beginner debaters but veteran forums users y'know? Gotta account for that.
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9/10/2015 5:56:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:45:02 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!


With the factor of the other following ceilings in place.
-Under 10 months on DDO
-Under 50 Debates.


In order to qualify they must meet two out of the 3 here.
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9/10/2015 5:56:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Well just in case
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. [Reserved for lannan13]
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/10/2015 5:57:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:56:41 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:45:02 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!


With the factor of the other following ceilings in place.
-Under 10 months on DDO
-Under 50 Debates.


In order to qualify they must meet two out of the 3 here.

Oh sweeet.
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9/10/2015 5:58:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

Topics I want to debate. (http://tinyurl.com...)
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9/10/2015 6:00:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:58:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

What would a coach do? I might be interested.
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9/10/2015 6:01:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:07:36 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
Hello all! This is the sign-up thread for the September Beginner's Debating Tournament.

I am the mod. Lannan13 is the co-mod. Any questions about the tournament can be directed to either one of us.

This tournament is intended for beginners. Beginners will be debaters with an ELO score of 3000 or less, or an ELO score of 2500 or higher with 20 or less debates.

In this tourney, there will be 8 participants as well as 8 coaches. The participants will be the ones debating (as it goes without saying), and the coaches will help their assigned pupil with debating. A participant-coach combination will be called a team.

The line-up for this tournament will be completely randomized in a bracket system. Once the line-up is established, each of the 2 debating teams will have 3 days to agree on a resolution or topic. If the 2 teams fail to agree on a topic, one will be assigned by the mod and/or co-mod. If a debate topic is assigned to participants after the 3-day discussion period, debaters will have an extra 24 hours to start their debates.

There are no restrictions pertaining to debate layout.

Roster:

Debaters:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. [Reserved for lannan13]
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/10/2015 6:57:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 6:00:05 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:58:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

What would a coach do? I might be interested.

What it sounds like. Give the kid tips, pointers, help him structure an argument (but don't do it for him).
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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9/10/2015 6:57:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

Topics I want to debate. (http://tinyurl.com...)
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9/10/2015 7:19:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 6:57:25 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 9/10/2015 6:00:05 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 9/10/2015 5:58:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

What would a coach do? I might be interested.

What it sounds like. Give the kid tips, pointers, help him structure an argument (but don't do it for him).

Okay... Do you think I'm qualified to do that? I mean, I think my structure and such works well enough, but I don't know if others would agree. If you deem me qualified, I'll probably sign up.
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9/10/2015 7:31:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 6:57:50 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Actually, I've never been in a tournament.. and I actually qualify to join. I have only 40 debates and joined 8 months ago.
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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9/10/2015 8:03:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5.
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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9/11/2015 12:01:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 8:03:26 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6.
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/11/2015 12:23:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 12:01:49 AM, The_Commander wrote:
At 9/10/2015 8:03:26 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6. TheProphett
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/11/2015 12:24:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 5:19:30 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
CORRECTION:

Beginners will be defined as members with less than 3000 ELO points only!


What? That's mater debater level.
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9/11/2015 2:11:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/10/2015 7:31:34 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
Actually, I've never been in a tournament.. and I actually qualify to join. I have only 40 debates and joined 8 months ago.

Then join the tournament as a participant.
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9/11/2015 2:12:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 12:23:38 AM, TheProphett wrote:
At 9/11/2015 12:01:49 AM, The_Commander wrote:
At 9/10/2015 8:03:26 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6. TheProphett
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. lannan13
2. Kasmic
3. Hayd
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
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9/11/2015 3:11:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh my...

Would you like to hear my criticisms?
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9/11/2015 3:17:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh fvck it...I'm not asking permission.

What in living hell are you doing? Open sign-ups for mentors, no debate guidelines, a co-mod that is coaching who has tried to join beginner's tournaments as a beginner...should I continue?

Eight mentors in open sign-up is so outstandingly blinded. There aren't even eight good mentors on the site who are available at the same time. You need to make sure that debaters have a competent mentor - so you level the playing field as much as possible and so they can learn. If you have Whiteflame, Bladerunner, and then someone of, say, my skill level - but they have a BS Elo from noob snipes- the guy who gets the third mentor is royally screwed over.
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9/11/2015 12:49:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6. TheProphett
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. [Reserved]
2. Kasmic
3. [Reserved]
4. [Reserved]
5. [Reserved]
6. [Reserved]
7. [Reserved]
8. [Reserved]
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9/11/2015 12:51:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 3:17:55 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Oh fvck it...I'm not asking permission.

I would have welcomed it, anyway.


What in living hell are you doing? Open sign-ups for mentors, no debate guidelines, a co-mod that is coaching who has tried to join beginner's tournaments as a beginner...should I continue?

Eight mentors in open sign-up is so outstandingly blinded. There aren't even eight good mentors on the site who are available at the same time. You need to make sure that debaters have a competent mentor - so you level the playing field as much as possible and so they can learn. If you have Whiteflame, Bladerunner, and then someone of, say, my skill level - but they have a BS Elo from noob snipes- the guy who gets the third mentor is royally screwed over.

Thanks for your input, harder. It is much appreciated. I will modify this tourney accordingly.
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"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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9/11/2015 1:25:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6. TheProphett
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. tejretics
2. Kasmic
3. [Reserved]
4. [Reserved]
5. [Reserved]
6. [Reserved]
7. [Reserved]
8. [Reserved]
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

Topics I want to debate. (http://tinyurl.com...)
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9/11/2015 1:30:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/11/2015 1:25:13 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Debaters:
1. MisterMittens
2. Thedebator_101
3. ColeTrain
4. SolonKR
5. The_Commander
6. TheProphett
7.
8.

Coaches:
1. tejretics
2. Kasmic
3. [Reserved]
4. [Reserved]
5. [Reserved]
6. [Reserved]
7. [Reserved]
8. [Reserved]

You'll need only 4 mentors, one can take up 2 debaters.
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