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Loserboi
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9/16/2010 9:36:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I still have no idea what vote bombing is and I have been here for a very long time. It seems every time there is a debate somebody gets accused of votebombing
Chrysippus
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9/16/2010 9:44:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 9:36:08 PM, Loserboi wrote:
I still have no idea what vote bombing is and I have been here for a very long time. It seems every time there is a debate somebody gets accused of votebombing

Votebombing is when someone vote all seven points for the same person without giving any reason. Aggravated cases include getting a bunch of friends together to vote against someone just because they don't like him, or making fake accounts to vote up one's own debates, or going through all of someone's past debates and voting against them (or for them) without considering the merits of the debates.

Basically, any voting that is for other reasons than who did better.
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9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.
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9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.
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9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.
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9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>
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Loserboi
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9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.
Korashk
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9/17/2010 12:38:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.

Having a general sense that someone did better is weak, but acceptable, justification for the arguments category.

The other categories are pretty easy to gague objectively and should be fairly even across all votes.
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9/17/2010 6:45:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.

That happened in PF vs FREEDO. Everyone gave the 7 points to PF he felt he was being votebombed but everyone knows that FREEDO earned it.
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Korashk
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9/17/2010 1:07:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/17/2010 6:48:24 AM, lovelife wrote:
I believe this is athe one I was talking about

http://www.debate.org...

FREEDO didn't earn all 7 in that debate. They both used sources to benefit their arguments.
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9/17/2010 4:22:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
No, voting all seven without specific malicious intent is "vote abuse."

It is only when there is specific malicious intent against a particular user or group that it becomes "vote bombing."

As the originator of the term, I should know. ;D
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9/17/2010 4:26:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/17/2010 6:45:13 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.

That happened in PF vs FREEDO. Everyone gave the 7 points to PF he felt he was being votebombed but everyone knows that FREEDO earned it.


Wat?
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9/17/2010 9:06:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/17/2010 4:26:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/17/2010 6:45:13 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.

That happened in PF vs FREEDO. Everyone gave the 7 points to PF he felt he was being votebombed but everyone knows that FREEDO earned it.


Wat?

Apparently I got the names mixed up. Ppl get the point.
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9/18/2010 6:42:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/17/2010 9:06:19 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/17/2010 4:26:31 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/17/2010 6:45:13 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 11:52:29 PM, Loserboi wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:49:38 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:42:18 PM, Sobriquet wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:41:07 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 9/16/2010 10:11:44 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
^ not necessarily, just like our political vote, we can do whatever we want with our points, vote bombing is making multiple accounts to vote someone down or up.

nah, if you just use all 7 points on one person in a debate then its vote bombing.

Not if there is a legitimate RFD.

Yeah like the PalinFan vs FREEDO debate. But that tends not to be the case. I also consider it votebombing if its 5+ points without reason, but that just me personally <people sometimes do that to avoid being called vote-bombers, just my theory anyway>

What if the reasoning was they just felt they did better in the debate. I mean if nobody forfeited a round in the debate then any vote is legitimate.

That happened in PF vs FREEDO. Everyone gave the 7 points to PF he felt he was being votebombed but everyone knows that FREEDO earned it.


Wat?

Apparently I got the names mixed up. Ppl get the point.

Who's who?
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mongeese
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9/19/2010 2:19:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If you vote for yourself despite the fact that you should have lost, that's vote abuse.

If you vote against somebody repeatedly without justification, that's vote-bombing.

If you create a second account and vote for yourself on all of your previous debates, vote-bomb other people with both accounts, and then claim that it was justified, you're theLwerd.

That is the DDO Sorting Algorithm of Evil.
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12/4/2010 5:01:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/19/2010 2:19:45 PM, mongeese wrote:
If you vote for yourself despite the fact that you should have lost, that's vote abuse.

If you vote against somebody repeatedly without justification, that's vote-bombing.

If you create a second account and vote for yourself on all of your previous debates, vote-bomb other people with both accounts, and then claim that it was justified, you're theLwerd.

That is the DDO Sorting Algorithm of Evil.

I haven't been here too long, but I would say that I've gotten to know some about many of you simply by observing. With that being said, I'm curious to what account you are talking about that theLwerd created to vote for herself. Because I feel that she is an excellent debater, with very little need to vote for herself just to win. Assuming you are not being sarcastic.
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12/4/2010 6:48:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/4/2010 5:01:12 AM, Elmakai wrote:
I haven't been here too long, but I would say that I've gotten to know some about many of you simply by observing. With that being said, I'm curious to what account you are talking about that theLwerd created to vote for herself. Because I feel that she is an excellent debater, with very little need to vote for herself just to win. Assuming you are not being sarcastic.

That would be the Lwerd account, originally created as a replacement but also used for double-up voting. mongoose has a few photos displaying Lwerd's votes in his photo album "Incriminating Evidence."

http://www.debate.org...
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12/5/2010 11:01:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/4/2010 6:48:05 AM, mongeese wrote:

That would be the Lwerd account, originally created as a replacement but also used for double-up voting. mongoose has a few photos displaying Lwerd's votes in his photo album "Incriminating Evidence."

http://www.debate.org...

Ahh, I see. That does look incriminating. Although it seems that she was votebombing you and not herself to win, which makes sense. You two have an history obviously.
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12/5/2010 6:07:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/5/2010 11:01:48 AM, Elmakai wrote:
At 12/4/2010 6:48:05 AM, mongeese wrote:

That would be the Lwerd account, originally created as a replacement but also used for double-up voting. mongoose has a few photos displaying Lwerd's votes in his photo album "Incriminating Evidence."

http://www.debate.org...

Ahh, I see. That does look incriminating. Although it seems that she was votebombing you and not herself to win, which makes sense.

You'd be surprised. Go to just about any debate of theLwerd's from over a year ago (like this one http://www.debate.org...) that the voting period is still going on, and you'll find a seven-point additional bomb in her favor, usually the last vote ever made. And literally just about any. It's ridiculous. We have a vote-bomber at the top of our leaderboard, and people don't even care.

Odd, Tatarize joined in the pro-Lwerd vote-bombing. So very strange.

You two have an history obviously.

Yeah. I'm actually the one who reported a vicious comment she made towards me, banning her original profile and allowing her a window to create a "temporary" account that is really just a way to vote-bomb without being detected.
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12/6/2010 2:17:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/5/2010 6:07:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
Yeah. I'm actually the one who reported a vicious comment she made towards me, banning her original profile and allowing her a window to create a "temporary" account that is really just a way to vote-bomb without being detected.

I am curious on why votebombing is tolerated on this site. I could think of several rather simple solutions to combat it, yet nothing is being done.
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12/6/2010 2:36:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 2:17:58 PM, Elmakai wrote:
At 12/5/2010 6:07:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
Yeah. I'm actually the one who reported a vicious comment she made towards me, banning her original profile and allowing her a window to create a "temporary" account that is really just a way to vote-bomb without being detected.

I am curious on why votebombing is tolerated on this site. I could think of several rather simple solutions to combat it, yet nothing is being done.

There was a time when people who created multiple accounts and vote-bombed were spotted and effectively removed. There was one person who, at one point, had cast over 50% of the votes on the site, but he was caught and relentlessly removed.

Today, however, few people seem to actually care that theLwerd has a second account, perhaps even more given the weird voting habits of LaSalle and other accounts, but nobody seems to care anymore. I've tried reporting fraudulent multi-accounts, but nothing gets done. Perhaps Phil is afraid that there'll be another mega controversy if theLwerd is banned again. I don't know.