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ELO is not important, it is the Percentile

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11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.
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11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.
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11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.
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11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]
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11/7/2015 3:05:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

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11/7/2015 3:12:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

16k can still beat several good debaters.
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11/7/2015 3:51:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:12:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

16k can still beat several good debaters.

He beat Roy, Danielle, and also Mikal.
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Wtf you must have an IQ of 250 if you're 11 and already decent at this- 16k

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11/7/2015 7:51:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 3:51:54 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 3:12:48 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

16k can still beat several good debaters.

He beat Roy, Danielle, and also Mikal.

Yes. But those made up 3 of nearly 350 debates. with 30+ losses
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11/7/2015 8:01:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This has been discussed a lot, so I'm not going to go into too much detail here. I'll just briefly explain why both aren't that accurate

Percentile judges you by the number of wins you have compared to the rest of the registered members. By getting one win, regardless of how many debates it takes you to get a win, you become better than over half of the site from all the accounts who register and either never finish a debate or lose one debate and lose interest in the site. You can also have a hundred wins and be ranked highly in percentile, even if they also had a thousand losses. It's not an accurate reflection of how well someone debates, rather it just reflects for how long someone has debated.

ELO also isn't perfect because you can artificially set up debates that are near impossible to lose and noob snipe your way to a higher elo that isn't actually reflective of your actual skill.

The best way to determine how good someone is is to a) read their arguments and understand how their arguments function in relation to their opponent's arguments and the resolution in general, understand *why* they made the arguments they did as opposed to other arguments they could've made, and stack that subjective evaluation against other people, or b) just debate them and find out for yourself.
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11/7/2015 8:06:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

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11/7/2015 8:38:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

I am not the greatest, but I am not that bad.

I beat Roy (I mean, hard to lose that kind of debate though), Danielle (I took the impossible side, so I am proud of that), I actually beat Wylted, but he conceded that debate, I beat Varrack (who is not a best NA but is good), Mikal, and 1HG twice.

And I debate a lot of noobs because if I am salty about a loss, I debate noobs to make up for it because I am a rager and I am always best NA, BEST NA, and if I lose they are still worse because I let them win so they feel good about themselves. :P

(*cough* still salty about losing to Roy *cough*)
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11/7/2015 10:04:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 8:38:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

I am not the greatest, but I am not that bad.

I beat Roy (I mean, hard to lose that kind of debate though), Danielle (I took the impossible side, so I am proud of that), I actually beat Wylted, but he conceded that debate, I beat Varrack (who is not a best NA but is good), Mikal, and 1HG twice.

And I debate a lot of noobs because if I am salty about a loss, I debate noobs to make up for it because I am a rager and I am always best NA, BEST NA, and if I lose they are still worse because I let them win so they feel good about themselves. :P

(*cough* still salty about losing to Roy *cough*)

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11/8/2015 1:19:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 8:38:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 11/7/2015 2:45:12 PM, Chrysaor wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

So? Debating skill isn't judged based on the number of wins -- the best a statistic can do is judge based on who was defeated. 16kadams, as I have seen so far, has often debated inexperienced and weak debaters, and won, while Wylted has won more times against debaters who are more experienced. [Though, of course, I am new to this site, so perhaps you are more correct than I am.]

I am not the greatest, but I am not that bad.

I beat Roy (I mean, hard to lose that kind of debate though), Danielle (I took the impossible side, so I am proud of that), I actually beat Wylted, but he conceded that debate, I beat Varrack (who is not a best NA but is good), Mikal, and 1HG twice.

And I debate a lot of noobs because if I am salty about a loss, I debate noobs to make up for it because I am a rager and I am always best NA, BEST NA, and if I lose they are still worse because I let them win so they feel good about themselves. :P

(*cough* still salty about losing to Roy *cough*)

I know you're not bad. I was merely justifying why the "ELO" statistic seems accurate enough.
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11/8/2015 1:40:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/7/2015 9:30:08 AM, fire_wings wrote:
At 11/7/2015 9:28:09 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 11/7/2015 7:39:42 AM, fire_wings wrote:
I think that ELO is not important. I think that the Percentile is more important.

If by "important" you mean "accurate," I think that's demonstrably false.

True. However I think that Percentile is more accurate then ELO because Wylted has more losses and less wins than 16kadams, however his ELO is higher.

What the fvck is that supposed to mean?