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12/14/2015 4:52:33 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

You should read his thread.
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12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 4:52:33 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

You should read his thread.

I did

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what i represents to people on the site. If he needs time to leave for a while, it may be a good thing for him. It was bound to happen with the volatile nature of this election, and after all the passive aggressive and direct attacks he received, I don't blame him. He did a perfect job in office, and just had half the community basically just say "fuk you", directly to his face. Sure it's meant to be directed at the presidency, but he is a symbol of that and i'm sure it still hurts after all the effort he put into the site over the last few months

In his own way, he knows that a majority of the community does not see the value of the presidency and wishes to see it abolished. I'm quite sure he is trying to find a way to embrace that, and find the best possible way to serve and better the community under those circumstances.

I am however sure that he will return, after the break. Also when he does, he will be rejuvenated and have a goal in mind for his term, and have a better perspective on how to conquer the issues at hand and best serve the community with this realization he has just undergone.
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12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?
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12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol
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12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.
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12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock
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12/14/2015 5:31:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

i loved twilight im ashamed
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12/14/2015 5:31:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:31:11 AM, debatability wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

i loved twilight im ashamed

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12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.
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12/14/2015 5:35:26 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.

The one thing I will give it props for is developing in theory a massive world and structure, that had the potnetial to be a great series or amazing book. The characters however took a http://www.debate.org... on the concept
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12/14/2015 5:40:10 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:35:26 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.

The one thing I will give it props for is developing in theory a massive world and structure, that had the potnetial to be a great series or amazing book. The characters however took a http://www.debate.org... on the concept

Like you said, if you actually read up on it and look at the "lore" as a whole, there are some interesting things, like how the "werewolves" shown weren't even werewolves. Meyer could have done a lot more with it, but she's probably just bathing in her millions right now.
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12/14/2015 5:41:43 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:40:10 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:35:26 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.

The one thing I will give it props for is developing in theory a massive world and structure, that had the potnetial to be a great series or amazing book. The characters however took a http://www.debate.org... on the concept

Like you said, if you actually read up on it and look at the "lore" as a whole, there are some interesting things, like how the "werewolves" shown weren't even werewolves. Meyer could have done a lot more with it, but she's probably just bathing in her millions right now.

That's generally how a good world starts. Someone builds a good plot, a great backstory, and then sells out and conforms to the modern agenda
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12/14/2015 5:46:22 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:41:43 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:40:10 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:35:26 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.

The one thing I will give it props for is developing in theory a massive world and structure, that had the potnetial to be a great series or amazing book. The characters however took a http://www.debate.org... on the concept

Like you said, if you actually read up on it and look at the "lore" as a whole, there are some interesting things, like how the "werewolves" shown weren't even werewolves. Meyer could have done a lot more with it, but she's probably just bathing in her millions right now.

That's generally how a good world starts. Someone builds a good plot, a great backstory, and then sells out and conforms to the modern agenda

I guess that's like what happened with the Lord of the Rings, noted when the Hobbit movies started being pushed out.
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12/14/2015 5:49:06 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:46:22 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:41:43 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:40:10 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:35:26 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:33:47 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:28:15 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:26:02 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:50 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:24:13 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
https://www.youtube.com...

Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

Am I the only one who thought Twilight did not deserve all the hate it received?

pretty much lol

I mean, sure. Kristen Stewart has almost no emotion, but that was pretty much her character. It wasn't "unbearable" to watch.

It entertained me in the sense, that it was viable. I mean it was by no means a knife in my eyes, but the plot was soley designed for gothic teenagers who want vampire cock

I don't think that was its "sole" purpose (although that is a terrible generalization), rather that was the kind of "fad" that developed out of it. I think that a variety of types of people who watch it could interpret it differently. For example, some people think it's so bad it's good (comedy), while others couldn't care less about the "romance" and more about the world itself.

The one thing I will give it props for is developing in theory a massive world and structure, that had the potnetial to be a great series or amazing book. The characters however took a http://www.debate.org... on the concept

Like you said, if you actually read up on it and look at the "lore" as a whole, there are some interesting things, like how the "werewolves" shown weren't even werewolves. Meyer could have done a lot more with it, but she's probably just bathing in her millions right now.

That's generally how a good world starts. Someone builds a good plot, a great backstory, and then sells out and conforms to the modern agenda

I guess that's like what happened with the Lord of the Rings, noted when the Hobbit movies started being pushed out.

I'm way more partial to how LOTR turned out than twilight. There was enough content in the books and backstories to actually create and show an entire world that is unlike anything that people are use to. The fact that it caught the mainstream as much as it did could have taken away from the full potential of it, but it did enough to introduce people to fantasy elements that they had never seen before

They even created languages for the races in the book, and it was literally adapted into some colleges. That almost reached it's full potential in some regards
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12/14/2015 5:53:11 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:49:06 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:46:22 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:41:43 AM, Mikal wrote:

I'm way more partial to how LOTR turned out than twilight. There was enough content in the books and backstories to actually create and show an entire world that is unlike anything that people are use to. The fact that it caught the mainstream as much as it did could have taken away from the full potential of it, but it did enough to introduce people to fantasy elements that they had never seen before

They even created languages for the races in the book, and it was literally adapted into some colleges. That almost reached it's full potential in some regards

I had a professor who was absolutely distraught when he saw the first Hobbit movie. He said that it completely shat on Tolkien's original vision of the Hobbit lore, where he said that the Orcish language was unfinished and yet the white orc spoke it, and he also complained that there was an orc there to begin with.
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12/14/2015 5:54:28 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 5:53:11 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:49:06 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:46:22 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 12/14/2015 5:41:43 AM, Mikal wrote:

I'm way more partial to how LOTR turned out than twilight. There was enough content in the books and backstories to actually create and show an entire world that is unlike anything that people are use to. The fact that it caught the mainstream as much as it did could have taken away from the full potential of it, but it did enough to introduce people to fantasy elements that they had never seen before

They even created languages for the races in the book, and it was literally adapted into some colleges. That almost reached it's full potential in some regards

I had a professor who was absolutely distraught when he saw the first Hobbit movie. He said that it completely shat on Tolkien's original vision of the Hobbit lore, where he said that the Orcish language was unfinished and yet the white orc spoke it, and he also complained that there was an orc there to begin with.

That may be more in depth than I ever have went, but just from reading the books from a basic standpoint, I was pretty satisfied. It could have been better, but it def could have been way worse given how other books failed as movies
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12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM, Mikal wrote:

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what it represents to people on the site.

Bull sh*t

What happened over the past two days was a coordinated effort by a bunch of a**holes acting with malice and contempt. I know what it's like to actually troll an election, considering that I've hijacked elections in the past and almost derailed them just for sh*ts and giggles (vote airmaxx anyone?). That election was a lot like this one because everyone knew it would be a pretty one sided affair in terms of who would win. I trolled that election for the sake of trolling it, and when it was found out that I could actually be harming the presidency itself, I immediately quitted trolling it. it's one thing to troll an election for the sake of trolling, but it's another thing to derail an election purely out of spite of the current administration.

Claiming that this was done in some protest of the presidency is a bs excuse being made for the actions of some real sh*tty people. If you want to protest the presidency as a position, then DONT VOTE. Nothing will bring down a presidential election faster than nobody turning out to vote in it, and that's exactly what should have been done by people who actually wanted the presidency to be abolished. A presidential election becomes as ulesless as a petition when no one votes on it and the thread gets buried under a heap of other threads, so if people actually wanted the presidency gone, they would have simply not voted.

What instead happened was that a bunch of people went to extraordinary lengths to defame everything Bsh has done as president to solicit votes from Bsh, him being one of the most active and invested presidents in the site, and elect an idiot in Wylted instead, not because of any positive qualities Wylted has, but simply out of spite, whether it be spite for Bsh, spite for the voting moderation, or spite for the bugs all over DDO

I was contacted by people to vote for Wylted. And so I voted for Bsh as a giant f*ck you to those people. I appreciated all the time and effort Bsh has sunk into this site, cause I don't think I would have made the same commitments, and I made a damn MOVIE for f*cks sake.... Meanwhile I can't name a single thing Wylted has done for this site either, and never once did his supporters who tried to solicits my vote say or imply that they wanted others to vote for Wylted in order to symbolically protest or bring down the presidency. It's pretty clear that the people who voted against Bsh at the very least have no respect for anything and everything he has done as president. They can claim they had alterior motives for voting against him, but as someone who has single handedly derailed elections in the past, I know when people troll elections for the sake of trolling, and when people derail elections Just out of spite. This is clearly a case of the latter

I therefore reject the blatant lie that the people who voted Wylted did so out of protest of the presidency itself.
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12/14/2015 6:27:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM, Mikal wrote:

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what it represents to people on the site.

Bull sh*t

What happened over the past two days was a coordinated effort by a bunch of a**holes acting with malice and contempt. I know what it's like to actually troll an election, considering that I've hijacked elections in the past and almost derailed them just for sh*ts and giggles (vote airmaxx anyone?). That election was a lot like this one because everyone knew it would be a pretty one sided affair in terms of who would win. I trolled that election for the sake of trolling it, and when it was found out that I could actually be harming the presidency itself, I immediately quitted trolling it. it's one thing to troll an election for the sake of trolling, but it's another thing to derail an election purely out of spite of the current administration.

Claiming that this was done in some protest of the presidency is a bs excuse being made for the actions of some real sh*tty people. If you want to protest the presidency as a position, then DONT VOTE. Nothing will bring down a presidential election faster than nobody turning out to vote in it, and that's exactly what should have been done by people who actually wanted the presidency to be abolished. A presidential election becomes as ulesless as a petition when no one votes on it and the thread gets buried under a heap of other threads, so if people actually wanted the presidency gone, they would have simply not voted.

What instead happened was that a bunch of people went to extraordinary lengths to defame everything Bsh has done as president to solicit votes from Bsh, him being one of the most active and invested presidents in the site, and elect an idiot in Wylted instead, not because of any positive qualities Wylted has, but simply out of spite, whether it be spite for Bsh, spite for the voting moderation, or spite for the bugs all over DDO

I was contacted by people to vote for Wylted. And so I voted for Bsh as a giant f*ck you to those people. I appreciated all the time and effort Bsh has sunk into this site, cause I don't think I would have made the same commitments, and I made a damn MOVIE for f*cks sake.... Meanwhile I can't name a single thing Wylted has done for this site either, and never once did his supporters who tried to solicits my vote say or imply that they wanted others to vote for Wylted in order to symbolically protest or bring down the presidency. It's pretty clear that the people who voted against Bsh at the very least have no respect for anything and everything he has done as president. They can claim they had alterior motives for voting against him, but as someone who has single handedly derailed elections in the past, I know when people troll elections for the sake of trolling, and when people derail elections Just out of spite. This is clearly a case of the latter

I therefore reject the blatant lie that the people who voted Wylted did so out of protest of the presidency itself.

I think *most* of the people who voted against bsh, did so out of spite for the position itself, or because they do not contribute to the site and see what he has done. That does not mean there are those who did this with the intent to undermine what he did and just cause controversy, and harm him directly. That however was limited to a very specific few, who went out of there way to harass and harm it.

I do however hold to the fact that most people just used wylted as a tool to try and abolish the presidency because his election would yet again prove there is no value in the position itself
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12/14/2015 6:35:36 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:27:31 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM, Mikal wrote:

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what it represents to people on the site.

Bull sh*t

What happened over the past two days was a coordinated effort by a bunch of a**holes acting with malice and contempt. I know what it's like to actually troll an election, considering that I've hijacked elections in the past and almost derailed them just for sh*ts and giggles (vote airmaxx anyone?). That election was a lot like this one because everyone knew it would be a pretty one sided affair in terms of who would win. I trolled that election for the sake of trolling it, and when it was found out that I could actually be harming the presidency itself, I immediately quitted trolling it. it's one thing to troll an election for the sake of trolling, but it's another thing to derail an election purely out of spite of the current administration.

Claiming that this was done in some protest of the presidency is a bs excuse being made for the actions of some real sh*tty people. If you want to protest the presidency as a position, then DONT VOTE. Nothing will bring down a presidential election faster than nobody turning out to vote in it, and that's exactly what should have been done by people who actually wanted the presidency to be abolished. A presidential election becomes as ulesless as a petition when no one votes on it and the thread gets buried under a heap of other threads, so if people actually wanted the presidency gone, they would have simply not voted.

What instead happened was that a bunch of people went to extraordinary lengths to defame everything Bsh has done as president to solicit votes from Bsh, him being one of the most active and invested presidents in the site, and elect an idiot in Wylted instead, not because of any positive qualities Wylted has, but simply out of spite, whether it be spite for Bsh, spite for the voting moderation, or spite for the bugs all over DDO

I was contacted by people to vote for Wylted. And so I voted for Bsh as a giant f*ck you to those people. I appreciated all the time and effort Bsh has sunk into this site, cause I don't think I would have made the same commitments, and I made a damn MOVIE for f*cks sake.... Meanwhile I can't name a single thing Wylted has done for this site either, and never once did his supporters who tried to solicits my vote say or imply that they wanted others to vote for Wylted in order to symbolically protest or bring down the presidency. It's pretty clear that the people who voted against Bsh at the very least have no respect for anything and everything he has done as president. They can claim they had alterior motives for voting against him, but as someone who has single handedly derailed elections in the past, I know when people troll elections for the sake of trolling, and when people derail elections Just out of spite. This is clearly a case of the latter

I therefore reject the blatant lie that the people who voted Wylted did so out of protest of the presidency itself.

I think *most* of the people who voted against bsh, did so out of spite for the position itself, or because they do not contribute to the site and see what he has done. That does not mean there are those who did this with the intent to undermine what he did and just cause controversy, and harm him directly. That however was limited to a very specific few, who went out of there way to harass and harm it.

Those very specific few were the ones trying to solicit votes for Wylted and try to drive his entire campaign. Everyone else who simply hopped on board were therefore endorsing the defamation of Bsh and ignoring what he did as president. Everyone is equally guilty in my opinion since they all had the same overall motive: ignore everything Bsh has done and oust him from power for either selfish or retarded reasoning

I do however hold to the fact that most people just used wylted as a tool to try and abolish the presidency because his election would yet again prove there is no value in the position itself

Except there IS value in the position, as evidenced by the idea that the position must be win in order for it to be abolished. The presidency is therefore important because ironically, it's a tool that can be accessed to dismantle the presidency.
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12/14/2015 6:42:08 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:35:36 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:27:31 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM, Mikal wrote:

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what it represents to people on the site.

Bull sh*t

What happened over the past two days was a coordinated effort by a bunch of a**holes acting with malice and contempt. I know what it's like to actually troll an election, considering that I've hijacked elections in the past and almost derailed them just for sh*ts and giggles (vote airmaxx anyone?). That election was a lot like this one because everyone knew it would be a pretty one sided affair in terms of who would win. I trolled that election for the sake of trolling it, and when it was found out that I could actually be harming the presidency itself, I immediately quitted trolling it. it's one thing to troll an election for the sake of trolling, but it's another thing to derail an election purely out of spite of the current administration.

Claiming that this was done in some protest of the presidency is a bs excuse being made for the actions of some real sh*tty people. If you want to protest the presidency as a position, then DONT VOTE. Nothing will bring down a presidential election faster than nobody turning out to vote in it, and that's exactly what should have been done by people who actually wanted the presidency to be abolished. A presidential election becomes as ulesless as a petition when no one votes on it and the thread gets buried under a heap of other threads, so if people actually wanted the presidency gone, they would have simply not voted.

What instead happened was that a bunch of people went to extraordinary lengths to defame everything Bsh has done as president to solicit votes from Bsh, him being one of the most active and invested presidents in the site, and elect an idiot in Wylted instead, not because of any positive qualities Wylted has, but simply out of spite, whether it be spite for Bsh, spite for the voting moderation, or spite for the bugs all over DDO

I was contacted by people to vote for Wylted. And so I voted for Bsh as a giant f*ck you to those people. I appreciated all the time and effort Bsh has sunk into this site, cause I don't think I would have made the same commitments, and I made a damn MOVIE for f*cks sake.... Meanwhile I can't name a single thing Wylted has done for this site either, and never once did his supporters who tried to solicits my vote say or imply that they wanted others to vote for Wylted in order to symbolically protest or bring down the presidency. It's pretty clear that the people who voted against Bsh at the very least have no respect for anything and everything he has done as president. They can claim they had alterior motives for voting against him, but as someone who has single handedly derailed elections in the past, I know when people troll elections for the sake of trolling, and when people derail elections Just out of spite. This is clearly a case of the latter

I therefore reject the blatant lie that the people who voted Wylted did so out of protest of the presidency itself.

I think *most* of the people who voted against bsh, did so out of spite for the position itself, or because they do not contribute to the site and see what he has done. That does not mean there are those who did this with the intent to undermine what he did and just cause controversy, and harm him directly. That however was limited to a very specific few, who went out of there way to harass and harm it.

Those very specific few were the ones trying to solicit votes for Wylted and try to drive his entire campaign. Everyone else who simply hopped on board were therefore endorsing the defamation of Bsh and ignoring what he did as president. Everyone is equally guilty in my opinion since they all had the same overall motive: ignore everything Bsh has done and oust him from power for either selfish or retarded reasoning

I mean you can't fault others for voting against him, even if he did everything right. I think he did a great job, and others are allowed to still voice what he did wrong if they think he did wrong. That was not the issue with the election. As I stated in a prior thread, it was the small few that went out of their way to attack him as a person just in a effort to troll. This election served as a tool for mirza and a few others just to bash bsh in a way that they could not be banned for. There are people who bandwagoned and voted for wylted, but I would wager most of those did so with the intent not to cause him harm directly.

With that being said, those few who did go out of their way to hurt him on a personal level should be dealt with, as everyone else normally is. The presidency and this election does not give someone a free pass to attack people on a personal level. There is a dichotomy between attacking someones beliefs and what they did in office, and attacking them as a person

I do however hold to the fact that most people just used wylted as a tool to try and abolish the presidency because his election would yet again prove there is no value in the position itself

Except there IS value in the position, as evidenced by the idea that the position must be win in order for it to be abolished. The presidency is therefore important because ironically, it's a tool that can be accessed to dismantle the presidency.

Well I mean it can be abolished without someone being elected to do so. Just most people assume that is the best way for it to be abolished.
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12/14/2015 6:54:04 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:42:08 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:35:36 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:27:31 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 4:58:36 AM, Mikal wrote:

It goes without saying, this was not an attack on him but the idea of the presidency and what it represents to people on the site.

Bull sh*t

What happened over the past two days was a coordinated effort by a bunch of a**holes acting with malice and contempt. I know what it's like to actually troll an election, considering that I've hijacked elections in the past and almost derailed them just for sh*ts and giggles (vote airmaxx anyone?). That election was a lot like this one because everyone knew it would be a pretty one sided affair in terms of who would win. I trolled that election for the sake of trolling it, and when it was found out that I could actually be harming the presidency itself, I immediately quitted trolling it. it's one thing to troll an election for the sake of trolling, but it's another thing to derail an election purely out of spite of the current administration.

Claiming that this was done in some protest of the presidency is a bs excuse being made for the actions of some real sh*tty people. If you want to protest the presidency as a position, then DONT VOTE. Nothing will bring down a presidential election faster than nobody turning out to vote in it, and that's exactly what should have been done by people who actually wanted the presidency to be abolished. A presidential election becomes as ulesless as a petition when no one votes on it and the thread gets buried under a heap of other threads, so if people actually wanted the presidency gone, they would have simply not voted.

What instead happened was that a bunch of people went to extraordinary lengths to defame everything Bsh has done as president to solicit votes from Bsh, him being one of the most active and invested presidents in the site, and elect an idiot in Wylted instead, not because of any positive qualities Wylted has, but simply out of spite, whether it be spite for Bsh, spite for the voting moderation, or spite for the bugs all over DDO

I was contacted by people to vote for Wylted. And so I voted for Bsh as a giant f*ck you to those people. I appreciated all the time and effort Bsh has sunk into this site, cause I don't think I would have made the same commitments, and I made a damn MOVIE for f*cks sake.... Meanwhile I can't name a single thing Wylted has done for this site either, and never once did his supporters who tried to solicits my vote say or imply that they wanted others to vote for Wylted in order to symbolically protest or bring down the presidency. It's pretty clear that the people who voted against Bsh at the very least have no respect for anything and everything he has done as president. They can claim they had alterior motives for voting against him, but as someone who has single handedly derailed elections in the past, I know when people troll elections for the sake of trolling, and when people derail elections Just out of spite. This is clearly a case of the latter

I therefore reject the blatant lie that the people who voted Wylted did so out of protest of the presidency itself.

I think *most* of the people who voted against bsh, did so out of spite for the position itself, or because they do not contribute to the site and see what he has done. That does not mean there are those who did this with the intent to undermine what he did and just cause controversy, and harm him directly. That however was limited to a very specific few, who went out of there way to harass and harm it.

Those very specific few were the ones trying to solicit votes for Wylted and try to drive his entire campaign. Everyone else who simply hopped on board were therefore endorsing the defamation of Bsh and ignoring what he did as president. Everyone is equally guilty in my opinion since they all had the same overall motive: ignore everything Bsh has done and oust him from power for either selfish or retarded reasoning

I mean you can't fault others for voting against him, even if he did everything right.

Sure I can. I've never faulted away from calling out sh*thead stor being sh*theads, I inky have ever had to find more moderate and classy ways to do so

I think he did a great job, and others are allowed to still voice what he did wrong if they think he did wrong. That was not the issue with the election. As I stated in a prior thread, it was the small few that went out of their way to attack him as a person just in a effort to troll.

As the Troll God of DDO, there is a fine line between trolling a person and flat out defaming them. Claiming that Bsh hordes bats in his attic is trolling, claiming that his presidency is a disaster and defaming him is just being an a**hole

This election served as a tool for mirza and a few others just to bash bsh in a way that they could not be banned for. There are people who bandwagoned and voted for wylted, but I would wager most of those did so with the intent not to cause him harm directly.

With that being said, those few who did go out of their way to hurt him on a personal level should be dealt with, as everyone else normally is.

Wylteds entire campaign was a personal insult to Bsh. It mocked all he has done for the site and denounced him as a leader for literally no good reason

The presidency and this election does not give someone a free pass to attack people on a personal level. There is a dichotomy between attacking someones beliefs and what they did in office, and attacking them as a person

I do however hold to the fact that most people just used wylted as a tool to try and abolish the presidency because his election would yet again prove there is no value in the position itself

Except there IS value in the position, as evidenced by the idea that the position must be win in order for it to be abolished. The presidency is therefore important because ironically, it's a tool that can be accessed to dismantle the presidency.

Well I mean it can be abolished without someone being elected to do so. Just most people assume that is the best way for it to be abolished.

I wasn't even planning on voting in the election because I think the position Gould be abolished. But the way to eliminate the presidency isn't to elect a retard like Wylted to the position and then watch the whole thing flame out. It's to simply ignore the election and not vote. Literally anyone who wanted the presidency gone could have simply withheld their vote enough times for the elections themselves to lose meaning, but instead, many of those people ganged up on Bsh and essentially spat in his face for their own personal beliefs. The presidency meant more to Bsh then anyone else in this election, and people went out f there way to try to bring him down simply out of spite, rather then some desire to take down the presidency itself
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12/14/2015 6:56:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:54:04 AM, imabench wrote:

you realize you and I are almost saying the same thing. I'm just saying that a majority of the people who voted for wylted did so in ignorance and without knowing how much it meant to him, or how it would effect him on a personal level

that is not limited to those few which do so with the intent to cause him harm.

The only place we differ is that you think everyone voted against him to hurt him, I think only a few people did that.
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12/14/2015 7:09:04 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 4:46:53 AM, Mikal wrote:
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Now let's relax and welcome bsh back to office.

bsh won?

Congrats!
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12/14/2015 7:21:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:

No, Bench. You have interpreted the motives as being much more malicious than they were.

Read this: http://www.debate.org...
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12/14/2015 7:26:16 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 6:56:40 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:54:04 AM, imabench wrote:

you realize you and I are almost saying the same thing. I'm just saying that a majority of the people who voted for wylted did so in ignorance and without knowing how much it meant to him, or how it would effect him on a personal level

And I'm arguing that people knew exactly how much the presidency met to Bsh and how hurt he would get by this, and proceeded on ganging up on him anyways

that is not limited to those few which do so with the intent to cause him harm.

The only place we differ is that you think everyone voted against him to hurt him, I think only a few people did that.

They did intent to hurt him. They knew very well what voting for Wylted over bsh would do to him if Wylted won or even came close to winning, and they proceeded in doing it anyways
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12/14/2015 7:29:28 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 7:21:31 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:

No, Bench. You have interpreted the motives as being much more malicious than they were.

Their motives and yours are exactly as malicious as I've said, you simply are now too cowardly to own up to the harm you've caused in your efforts and are now trying to hide behind alterior motives for why you all acted the way you did.
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12/14/2015 8:06:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 7:26:16 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:56:40 AM, Mikal wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:54:04 AM, imabench wrote:

you realize you and I are almost saying the same thing. I'm just saying that a majority of the people who voted for wylted did so in ignorance and without knowing how much it meant to him, or how it would effect him on a personal level

And I'm arguing that people knew exactly how much the presidency met to Bsh and how hurt he would get by this, and proceeded on ganging up on him anyways

that is not limited to those few which do so with the intent to cause him harm.

The only place we differ is that you think everyone voted against him to hurt him, I think only a few people did that.

They did intent to hurt him. They knew very well what voting for Wylted over bsh would do to him if Wylted won or even came close to winning, and they proceeded in doing it anyways

None of us are responsible for Bsh's emotional reaction to this, even if it were predictable. The fact that an irrational emotional response is predictable does NOT mean that a person intends to cause it by proceeding. If you knew that a vegan would be distraught to the point of tears because you ate a hamburger in their company, you would not be obligated to avoid eating that hamburger, and your doing so would not constitute an intent to hurt that person. Rather, you would be making a statement that people are responsible for managing their own emotions instead of expecting people to conform to them.

By pursuing this line of reasoning, you are at best enabling bad habits; at worst, you are infantilizing Bsh to the point of farce and planting the idea that the website at large is hostile to him on a personal level. I don't see how that could be construed by any sane person as constructive. Bsh is obviously distraught by this because of perceived personal hostility which doesn't exist, and I don't see how trying to convince him that half the site secretly hates him will make things better.
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12/14/2015 8:52:44 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/14/2015 7:29:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 12/14/2015 7:21:31 AM, Romanii wrote:
At 12/14/2015 6:20:29 AM, imabench wrote:

No, Bench. You have interpreted the motives as being much more malicious than they were.

Their motives and yours are exactly as malicious as I've said, you simply are now too cowardly to own up to the harm you've caused in your efforts and are now trying to hide behind alterior motives for why you all acted the way you did.

On the contrary, the method in which you derived your conclusions is inductive, hence the conclusion is not absolute, as you appear to have asserted. Sorry to expose your rant for what it is: emotional nonsense.