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GeoLaureate8
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10/10/2010 5:20:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
It really takes a lot for someone to irritate me, and Cerebral has been doing this a lot lately. Surprisingly, people here think he's a respectable member, but I thought I'd finally reveal the sort of dialogue that Cerebral engages in. It's subtle, but comes off as deceptive attacks merely to come out as the winner (that's how it appears).

Ex. In the "Argument for God from Time" thread:

This statement is here to understand the context: Me: "I already disproved that. If you have a steel box and let it sit there for eternity, a giraffe will never spring into existence inside that box."

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Me: If you use the argument that the universe has the proper conditions then that's a separate argument and proves that it's not infinite time, but the proper conditions that make a giraffe.

^^^^
Valid argument.

Cerebral: Yea, I think you are just getting desperate.

^^^^
Cerebral answers my valid argument with an ad hominem without addressing the argument.


Me: Lol. Is that your response when you can't make a real rebuttal? ...The point is, your premise that given infinite time, infinite "probabilities" will happen, is false. Only under the right conditions will certain things arise, not time ( as demonstraed with the steel box example).

^^^^
I react to his ad hominem and then restate my argument for him to address it.


Cerebral: Geo, please stop being childish. This was actually intended as a serious thread. Everyone else has managed to contribute. ...No, over an infinite amount of time all probabilities (as in things that have some numeric chance of occuring) will occur. The steel box rebuttal is therefore invalid.

Statements like that are extremely aggravating and he always seems to get away with it and come off as respectable. I don't think I even have to explain what's wrong with this response of his. (Hint: He initiated the first ad hominem and failed to address my argument. Then he had the nerve to call me childish and say I failed to contribute to the discussion.)

Source: http://www.debate.org...

(The source is right there so there should be no accusations of "out of context.")
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10/10/2010 5:55:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Interesting.

Well, C_N may post on this thread and call you childish merely for the fact that you are trying to expose him as calling you childish and going off topic. Ironic.
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10/10/2010 7:35:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Seriously? A title like that, and the topic isn't about him exposing himself to a minor?

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10/10/2010 7:51:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 7:09:43 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
You overestimate C_N's reputation.

This.
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10/10/2010 10:10:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 7:35:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Seriously? A title like that, and the topic isn't about him exposing himself to a minor?

I was so expecting this.
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10/10/2010 10:12:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Geo: *makes valid argument*

C_N: *makes invalid response*

Geo: YUR BEING ILLOGICAL IMMA GO CRY TO EVRUREEBUDY!!

Everyone = lose
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

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10/10/2010 10:18:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:12:37 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Geo: *makes valid argument*

C_N: *makes invalid response*

Geo: YUR BEING ILLOGICAL IMMA GO CRY TO EVRUREEBUDY!!

This thread is not about the argument I presented. That was just an example. Also, expose =/= cry.
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10/10/2010 10:30:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm sorry, whatever he did to you...it must be very traumatizing. You should get help. Serious help. I know some people. They can help you. Just hang in there. Everyone here supports you. Don't worry. It will be okay. You can get through this man, I know you can. Just hang in there. Call up the "How to deal with Illogical Refutations" hot-line at 1800-Get-Help.
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10/10/2010 10:38:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:30:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I'm sorry, whatever he did to you...it must be very traumatizing. You should get help. Serious help. I know some people. They can help you. Just hang in there. Everyone here supports you. Don't worry. It will be okay. You can get through this man, I know you can. Just hang in there. Call up the "How to deal with Illogical Refutations" hot-line at 1800-Get-Help.

Looks like you don't know that this thread is about.

From the OP:

"Surprisingly, people here think he's a respectable member, but I thought I'd finally reveal the sort of dialogue that Cerebral engages in."

"Statements like that are extremely aggravating and he always seems to get away with it and come off as respectable."
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/10/2010 10:41:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:38:51 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2010 10:30:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
I'm sorry, whatever he did to you...it must be very traumatizing. You should get help. Serious help. I know some people. They can help you. Just hang in there. Everyone here supports you. Don't worry. It will be okay. You can get through this man, I know you can. Just hang in there. Call up the "How to deal with Illogical Refutations" hot-line at 1800-Get-Help.

Looks like you don't know that this thread is about.

From the OP:

"Surprisingly, people here think he's a respectable member, but I thought I'd finally reveal the sort of dialogue that Cerebral engages in."

"Statements like that are extremely aggravating and he always seems to get away with it and come off as respectable."

I read the whole thing I get it. I have dealt with people much more stupid than him. Not to give any names..Nicktheginger is one of them, same with Iamapanda
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10/10/2010 10:44:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:42:40 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Everybody has facepalm moments. Everybody has brilliant ones.

Except every discussion Cerebral has always degenerates into facepalm. He usually starts off good with substantive arguments, but further down the line, it goes downhill into ad hominems.
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10/10/2010 11:00:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:44:22 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2010 10:42:40 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Everybody has facepalm moments. Everybody has brilliant ones.

Except every discussion Cerebral has always degenerates into facepalm. He usually starts off good with substantive arguments, but further down the line, it goes downhill into ad hominems.

True dat.
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10/10/2010 11:12:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Winners of the thread:

R-R, for thinking the same thing I did about the title
Rocky, for thinking the same thing I did about Geo
C-N, just because he did stuff to Geo to provide the lulz.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/10/2010 11:14:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Oh, and Freedo, for providing a very accurate summary XD
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/10/2010 11:16:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 11:12:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Winners of the thread:

R-R, for thinking the same thing I did about the title
Rocky, for thinking the same thing I did about Geo
C-N, just because he did stuff to Geo to provide the lulz.

IM A WINNER!!!!!!
WOOOOOO

*Cries for joy*

Ok.
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10/10/2010 11:25:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 11:12:15 PM, Kleptin wrote:
C-N, just because he did stuff to Geo to provide the lulz.

This thread is not about me. I just happened to be used in the example.
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10/10/2010 11:44:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Leave him alone... It is improper and immature to "expose" him publicly due to your own view of him. If you are doing this for good then you will send him a PM and maybe advise him or settle things with him.
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10/10/2010 11:59:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 5:55:22 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Interesting.

Well, C_N may post on this thread and call you childish merely for the fact that you are trying to expose him as calling you childish and going off topic. Ironic.

I suggest you actually read the thread.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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10/11/2010 12:00:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 11:44:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
Leave him alone... It is improper and immature to "expose" him publicly due to your own view of him. If you are doing this for good then you will send him a PM and maybe advise him or settle things with him.

I kinda agree here, I was just speaking my mind saying what I felt needed to be said at the time.
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10/11/2010 12:01:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:12:37 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Geo: *makes valid argument*

C_N: *makes invalid response*

Geo: YUR BEING ILLOGICAL IMMA GO CRY TO EVRUREEBUDY!!


Everyone = lose

How was Geo's argument valid? His fallacy was explained to him by pretty much everyone. This thread is motivated by the fact that Geo refuses to debate with me, and does not even have the spine to admit it.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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10/11/2010 12:03:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/10/2010 10:44:22 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2010 10:42:40 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Everybody has facepalm moments. Everybody has brilliant ones.

Except every discussion Cerebral has always degenerates into facepalm. He usually starts off good with substantive arguments, but further down the line, it goes downhill into ad hominems.

After someone fails to grasp the most basic concepts and continues to ruin other wise decent threads then I will happily insult them. This entire thread is an ad hominem attack intended to avoid debate. I never avoid debate. That is why I am respected member and you... increasingly, are not.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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10/11/2010 12:05:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/11/2010 12:00:14 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2010 11:44:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
Leave him alone... It is improper and immature to "expose" him publicly due to your own view of him. If you are doing this for good then you will send him a PM and maybe advise him or settle things with him.

I kinda agree here, I was just speaking my mind saying what I felt needed to be said at the time.

No, you are embarrased by your intellectual cowardice and decided to troll.

You know you could have just admitted you were too deficient to debate and I would have left you alone. You clearly have some sort if intelligence, but your refusal to actually engage in any sort of debate or discussion means that no one should respect you.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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10/11/2010 12:07:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/11/2010 12:01:08 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/10/2010 10:12:37 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Geo: *makes valid argument*

C_N: *makes invalid response*

Geo: YUR BEING ILLOGICAL IMMA GO CRY TO EVRUREEBUDY!!


Everyone = lose

How was Geo's argument valid? His fallacy was explained to him by pretty much everyone.

Valid =/= True.

This thread is motivated by the fact that Geo refuses to debate with me, and does not even have the spine to admit it.

Wow, that has nothing to do with. Perhaps your recent behavior regarding that issue was part of it, but it has nothing to do with what you just mentioned.

But don't worry, when I have the time and motivation, I will debate you, but I will not do 47 debates with you like you keep requesting. That's absurd!
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10/11/2010 12:09:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/11/2010 12:07:32 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

But don't worry, when I have the time and motivation, I will debate you, but I will not do 47 debates with you like you keep requesting. That's absurd!

I have never requested 47 debates from you. I have repeatedly stated this to you, you have replied to me saying this, you have quoted me saying this. You are lying.

Utterly pathetic.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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10/11/2010 12:10:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/11/2010 12:05:59 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/11/2010 12:00:14 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/10/2010 11:44:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
Leave him alone... It is improper and immature to "expose" him publicly due to your own view of him. If you are doing this for good then you will send him a PM and maybe advise him or settle things with him.

I kinda agree here, I was just speaking my mind saying what I felt needed to be said at the time.

No, you are embarrased by your intellectual cowardice and decided to troll.

Lol. You are behaving exactly how I am describing in the OP! This here is another perfect example of how you degenerate proper discussions into ad hominems!

You know you could have just admitted you were too deficient to debate and I would have left you alone.

I already told you, I've debated some of the best people on this site so I'm certainly not afraid to debate you.

You clearly have some sort if intelligence, but your refusal to actually engage in any sort of debate or discussion means that no one should respect you.

Really? I think I keep ad hominems at a minimum and debate and discussion on my part seems to be the majority of my posts.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat