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Kleptin
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10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
tvellalott
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10/12/2010 7:16:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
As good an idea as that is, we'll likely see Cheese Milkshakes introduced before it.
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10/12/2010 7:30:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 7:16:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
As good an idea as that is, we'll likely see Cheese Milkshakes introduced before it.
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Chrysippus
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10/12/2010 7:39:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

To a certain extent, I'd agree. Personally, I learned by getting beaten a few times, going through and reading debates by top members on here (including yours, Kleptin), learning what was expected in a good debate, and learning to research my topic before I posted. I'd have never learned that had I only debated other n00bs.

Maybe an agreement among the better debaters on here not to take brand new debaters on their first few debates migh serve the purpose just as well.
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10/12/2010 7:44:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 7:39:22 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

To a certain extent, I'd agree. Personally, I learned by getting beaten a few times, going through and reading debates by top members on here (including yours, Kleptin), learning what was expected in a good debate, and learning to research my topic before I posted. I'd have never learned that had I only debated other n00bs.

Maybe an agreement among the better debaters on here not to take brand new debaters on their first few debates migh serve the purpose just as well.

So many go for easy wins to look like they are better tho.

Btw when I first saw this thread title I wasn't thinking DDO at all xD
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tvellalott
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10/12/2010 7:50:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 7:30:45 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:16:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
As good an idea as that is, we'll likely see Cheese Milkshakes introduced before it.



Oh. My. God.
DO YOU SEE THIS KLEPTON!?!?!?!
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Kleptin
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10/12/2010 8:08:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 7:50:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:30:45 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:16:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
As good an idea as that is, we'll likely see Cheese Milkshakes introduced before it.



Oh. My. God.
DO YOU SEE THIS KLEPTON!?!?!?!

THAT'S DISGUSTING ><;;;!!!

I like my cheesecake milkshake better :)
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/12/2010 8:13:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 7:44:59 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:39:22 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

To a certain extent, I'd agree. Personally, I learned by getting beaten a few times, going through and reading debates by top members on here (including yours, Kleptin), learning what was expected in a good debate, and learning to research my topic before I posted. I'd have never learned that had I only debated other n00bs.

Maybe an agreement among the better debaters on here not to take brand new debaters on their first few debates migh serve the purpose just as well.

So many go for easy wins to look like they are better tho.


Yeah, I know. I'm guilty as charged. Sometimes, the most entertaining debates are posted by new members, and it's just fun to treat them seriously: http://www.debate.org...

That's kinda the point, though. If the better debaters on here agreed not to take on the new and struggling debaters for, say, their first four debates, it would give them a chance to grow a little bit before they are squelched. Might encourage them to stay.
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lovelife
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10/12/2010 8:17:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 8:13:18 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:44:59 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:39:22 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

To a certain extent, I'd agree. Personally, I learned by getting beaten a few times, going through and reading debates by top members on here (including yours, Kleptin), learning what was expected in a good debate, and learning to research my topic before I posted. I'd have never learned that had I only debated other n00bs.

Maybe an agreement among the better debaters on here not to take brand new debaters on their first few debates migh serve the purpose just as well.

So many go for easy wins to look like they are better tho.


Yeah, I know. I'm guilty as charged. Sometimes, the most entertaining debates are posted by new members, and it's just fun to treat them seriously: http://www.debate.org...

That's kinda the point, though. If the better debaters on here agreed not to take on the new and struggling debaters for, say, their first four debates, it would give them a chance to grow a little bit before they are squelched. Might encourage them to stay.

Yep I agree. I just don't think thats a reality. Unless a forced one.
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lovelife
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10/12/2010 8:18:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 8:08:28 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:50:49 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:30:45 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 10/12/2010 7:16:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
As good an idea as that is, we'll likely see Cheese Milkshakes introduced before it.



Oh. My. God.
DO YOU SEE THIS KLEPTON!?!?!?!

THAT'S DISGUSTING ><;;;!!!

I like my cheesecake milkshake better :)

I never said that it would be yummy, just that it existed. Which means the prediction was correct cheese milkshakes were introduced before that feature.
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jharry
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10/12/2010 8:23:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

That is an awesome idea. I wish I would have thought of that.
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Kleptin
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10/12/2010 8:30:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 8:23:24 PM, jharry wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

That is an awesome idea. I wish I would have thought of that.

Protects them from semantic trickery too.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/12/2010 8:32:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 8:30:24 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 10/12/2010 8:23:24 PM, jharry wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

That is an awesome idea. I wish I would have thought of that.

Protects them from semantic trickery too.

I would have never came up with that. Kleptin, you are a genius.
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Puck
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10/12/2010 11:08:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

So theLwerd can't accept debates? O.o Kleptin just wants the #1 spot. It's allllllllllll clear now.
lovelife
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10/13/2010 6:49:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 11:08:03 PM, Puck wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

So theLwerd can't accept debates? O.o Kleptin just wants the #1 spot. It's allllllllllll clear now.

No one said you had to use the option, just like no one has to use the option of only members higher ranked.
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Kleptin
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10/13/2010 10:36:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 11:08:03 PM, Puck wrote:
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

So theLwerd can't accept debates? O.o Kleptin just wants the #1 spot. It's allllllllllll clear now.

I don't debate anymore.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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10/13/2010 10:40:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/12/2010 6:56:08 PM, Kleptin wrote:
There should be an option to limit debate challenges OTHER than to people who are above your ranking.

Newbie comes on the site, learns how to post a debate, gets challenged by a senior member, gets discouraged when he or she loses. Will try again, get beat by yet another senior member, so on and so forth until he or she gives up. It's discouraging not to be able to see yourself grow.

There are a lot of newbies on the site. I think that they can be more efficiently trained if they could restrict debate challenges to people +-5% of their ranking, or just to people who are lower.

1) Most newbies don't know how to properly debate, and most seniors can show them a first-hand example of how they do it, which is by in-large common practice.

2) People who've never been in a debate before don't have a ranking, thus if people use this options, they can only debate fellow newbs, an insignificant minority, and thus they won't get to debate. pray tell which one is more likely to drive away newbs

The idea has premise, but ultimately would just give members a false impression of DDO. People are weirdly freaking out due to 'inactivity', which is DDO going through natural cycles. Around this time people use DDO less due to school. Activity will pick-up again for LD and such.
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10/14/2010 10:35:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This would be a good idea, except newbies would be the ones who are least likely to understand how to use this feature. I personally just learned that you can limit who can accept.

If newbies wanted to limit the skill level of their opponent now, they could try to use age as a proxy for debate skill.
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10/15/2010 1:50:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/15/2010 11:59:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Who knew cheese came in a can.

I did

http://chef2chef.net...

http://soggynacho.com...
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