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zmikecuber
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12/28/2015 4:29:42 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Should be allowed in the workplace and on school campuses.

I'm Pro. Probably won't have time to debate this issue for a little while, but I'd be interested to see who would like to be Con. I am willing to discuss and change the resolution as needed.
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12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"
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12/28/2015 4:40:28 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

^ It would definitely be a lot easier to find an opponent for this one than the other one (smoke on campus)
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12/28/2015 4:43:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:40:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

^ It would definitely be a lot easier to find an opponent for this one than the other one (smoke on campus)

True dat.
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12/28/2015 4:56:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
I smoke occasionally myself (mostly socially) and don't mind others who smoke. My initial argument I think, would be that it may effect others. People who don't like the smell of nicotine are kind of subjected to it. I guess it depends on how well and sealed off the smoking areas are from the other areas of the campus. I don't think it's a major fire hazard.
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12/28/2015 4:56:44 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:40:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

^ It would definitely be a lot easier to find an opponent for this one than the other one (smoke on campus)

I really hate the anti-tobacco bs and propoganda/misinformation that's being preached like gospel truth, and I want to do a debate about it sometime.
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12/28/2015 5:01:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:56:44 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:40:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

^ It would definitely be a lot easier to find an opponent for this one than the other one (smoke on campus)

I really hate the anti-tobacco bs and propoganda/misinformation that's being preached like gospel truth, and I want to do a debate about it sometime.

Well if I did the debate Id argue from the point that smoking during tests would be a very burdensome distraction to other people in the room who are also taking a test, I wouldnt really go after the 'health angle'..... Taking a test near someone who is smoking arguably would be like taking a test and someones cell phone rings every 3 to 5 minutes, which i think would be reason to not allow smoking during tests
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12/28/2015 5:07:37 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

I don't know about during tests lol. Get the paper all ashy and yellowed? Also subjecting other people to the smell and taste and second hand stuff isn't really fair.
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12/28/2015 5:24:00 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 5:01:37 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:56:44 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:40:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

^ It would definitely be a lot easier to find an opponent for this one than the other one (smoke on campus)

I really hate the anti-tobacco bs and propoganda/misinformation that's being preached like gospel truth, and I want to do a debate about it sometime.

Well if I did the debate Id argue from the point that smoking during tests would be a very burdensome distraction to other people in the room who are also taking a test, I wouldnt really go after the 'health angle'..... Taking a test near someone who is smoking arguably would be like taking a test and someones cell phone rings every 3 to 5 minutes, which i think would be reason to not allow smoking during tests

Several points.

First of all, the test doesn't necessarily have to be in the same room as non-smokers.

Second of all, if the test was in the same room, I don't think this objection holds. First, you could say the same thing about someone who didn't wear deodorant or hasn't showered. Many people find the smell of smoke to be very pleasant. I guarantee you if you try smoking, you will find that you love the smell of smoke...

Another point. Show me a study that shows that this is anything more than a distraction. Demonstrate that it actually *decreases* the person's performance. I can show you millions of studies that show that nicotine enhances concentration, memory, fine motor skills, etc. etc. So it's objectively helping the user. It seems to be more of an annoyance for the students who don't like it.

Also, if the other students are given low dosages of nicotine, this may very well enhance their brain performance as well.

In conclusion though, I would advocate a smoker's test center, since there could be other people who have asthma and other health problems which could come from smoke.

And I guarantee that the smokers test center will have overall better test scores.
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12/28/2015 5:25:57 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 5:07:37 PM, TUF wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

I don't know about during tests lol. Get the paper all ashy and yellowed? Also subjecting other people to the smell and taste and second hand stuff isn't really fair.

I don't think second hand smoke is a major health concern.
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"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
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12/28/2015 5:34:17 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 5:24:00 PM, zmikecuber wrote:

Show me a study that shows that this is anything more than a distraction.

In conclusion though, I would advocate a smoker's test center, since there could be other people who have asthma and other health problems which could come from smoke.

You answered your own question
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12/30/2015 11:10:32 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Students? I don't think so. Aren't students to young to smoke? I think that students are too young to smoke, and they should not smoke after tests. Next of all, I think we should not smoke in public place, rather only in places where there is like a store or room in a cafe or anything where smoking is allowed. I usually don't prefer smoking, and hate the smell when I open the window and smell smoke. That is why I don't prefer places where it harms other people, who does not allow smokers. I allow tobacco use, just not out on public places like schools, next to your apartment building, and we should make more places were smoking is allowed, therefore non-smokers don't get impact.
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12/30/2015 1:30:22 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Whenever I smell a smoker I choke to death and need to be resuscitated. When I was a very little kid I suffered from asthma and would wait until all the parents had picked up their kids from the school before leaving myself. Simply because some used to smoke and create clouds of that god awful smoke all around the playgrounds. If someone lit up during a test I was in, I would simply take their cigg and squash it under foot. Screw their liberty.
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12/30/2015 2:41:17 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/28/2015 5:25:57 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/28/2015 5:07:37 PM, TUF wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

I don't know about during tests lol. Get the paper all ashy and yellowed? Also subjecting other people to the smell and taste and second hand stuff isn't really fair.

I don't think second hand smoke is a major health concern.

Have you been watching the comedian Steve Hughes?
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12/30/2015 4:15:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 2:41:17 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/28/2015 5:25:57 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/28/2015 5:07:37 PM, TUF wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

I don't know about during tests lol. Get the paper all ashy and yellowed? Also subjecting other people to the smell and taste and second hand stuff isn't really fair.

I don't think second hand smoke is a major health concern.

Have you been watching the comedian Steve Hughes?

Nope. I seriously don't think second hand smoke is a major cause of lung cancer at least. I think that's all bullsh!t.
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"primal man had the habit, when he came into contact with fire, of satisfying the infantile desire connected with it, by putting it out with a stream of his urine... Putting out the fire by micturating was therefore a kind of sexual act with a male, an enjoyment of sexual potency in a homosexual competition."
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12/31/2015 7:18:31 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 12/30/2015 4:15:46 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/30/2015 2:41:17 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 12/28/2015 5:25:57 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 12/28/2015 5:07:37 PM, TUF wrote:
At 12/28/2015 4:33:31 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Perhaps the resolution should be something like:
"Students should be allowed to smoke during tests"

I don't know about during tests lol. Get the paper all ashy and yellowed? Also subjecting other people to the smell and taste and second hand stuff isn't really fair.

I don't think second hand smoke is a major health concern.

Have you been watching the comedian Steve Hughes?

Nope. I seriously don't think second hand smoke is a major cause of lung cancer at least. I think that's all bullsh!t.

Then you have to watch this, It's funny as hell and he also criticises people who complain about second hand smoke in a really funny way. This guy is hilarious,

He say's there are people from Chernobyl still alive for F#@# Sake,

https://www.youtube.com...