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Kyle_the_Heretic
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1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.
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1/19/2016 5:58:29 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

: D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

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It really is a shame because a site like this has so much more potential than what is being realized here presently.
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1/19/2016 5:58:32 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

It's much more common that another person ceases to respond because they either lose track of the conversation or no longer see it as productive.
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1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

Since we are on it, wrong is not always as black and white. I would guess you are missing distinction.
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1/19/2016 7:52:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:58:32 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

It's much more common that another person ceases to respond because they either lose track of the conversation or no longer see it as productive.

While that's certainly true to some degree, it far from excuses every instance. Enough that I wouldn't call it "much more common". Especially with the alert functions in play.
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1/19/2016 7:57:30 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

Since we are on it, wrong is not always as black and white. I would guess you are missing distinction.

I expect people to have the integrity to be responsible for what they post. Some actually are. It's a sad commentary on humanity that most are not.

This "distinction" that I'm allegedly missing, is that black and white?
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1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.
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1/19/2016 3:19:54 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM, Raisor wrote:
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.

By all means, let them betray their cowardice by failing to take responsibility for their stupidity.
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1/19/2016 3:43:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Silence isn't necessarily bad. I don't think flame wars are particularly beneficial to the site, so a lot of time if I sense something is getting too heated and personal, I just leave the conversation, without even reading what was said to me
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1/19/2016 3:46:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 7:57:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

Since we are on it, wrong is not always as black and white. I would guess you are missing distinction.

I expect people to have the integrity to be responsible for what they post. Some actually are. It's a sad commentary on humanity that most are not.

This "distinction" that I'm allegedly missing, is that black and white?

What I am saying is, you may not be as right as you think, and the other party becomes frustrated or tired of attempting to explain. It is rare that anyone has a point that is a knock-out provable right position.
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1/19/2016 3:47:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM, Raisor wrote:
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.

I agree, there have been few times I have never responded to someone, almost always it was out of boredom, occasionally this happens because I forget. It has nothing to do with cowardice or "shameful silence."
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1/19/2016 3:56:13 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 3:46:11 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 7:57:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

Since we are on it, wrong is not always as black and white. I would guess you are missing distinction.

I expect people to have the integrity to be responsible for what they post. Some actually are. It's a sad commentary on humanity that most are not.

This "distinction" that I'm allegedly missing, is that black and white?

What I am saying is, you may not be as right as you think, and the other party becomes frustrated or tired of attempting to explain. It is rare that anyone has a point that is a knock-out provable right position.

I completely agree. But I'm not talking about the lengthy arguments where no middle ground is ever found. I'm referring to those posts where an incorrect statement is made, or an accusation against you is made and you are able to show the poster their error, and they refuse to respond to their proven error, often repeating the error a short time later.
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1/19/2016 3:58:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 3:47:09 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM, Raisor wrote:
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.

I agree, there have been few times I have never responded to someone, almost always it was out of boredom, occasionally this happens because I forget. It has nothing to do with cowardice or "shameful silence."

Please see my response in post #12.
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1/19/2016 4:55:14 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:58:32 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

It's much more common that another person ceases to respond because they either lose track of the conversation or no longer see it as productive.


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1/19/2016 4:55:52 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 3:43:12 PM, Wylted wrote:
Silence isn't necessarily bad. I don't think flame wars are particularly beneficial to the site, so a lot of time if I sense something is getting too heated and personal, I just leave the conversation, without even reading what was said to me

- Explains a lot.
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1/19/2016 4:56:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

- Hm...
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1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 4:56:30 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 6:05:58 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

What do you expect? Full mea culpa? People are fighting for their position, and when they are lost, pride will not allow them to admit that they are wrong.

- Hm...

Speaking of yourself I presume.
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1/19/2016 4:58:12 PM
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At 1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM, TBR wrote:

Speaking of yourself I presume.

- Sigh...
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1/19/2016 5:00:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 3:19:54 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM, Raisor wrote:
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.

By all means, let them betray their cowardice by failing to take responsibility for their stupidity.

If you think failing to respond to an Internet post from a stranger is "cowardice" your life experience is very limited.
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1/19/2016 5:03:42 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 4:58:12 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM, TBR wrote:

Speaking of yourself I presume.

- Sigh...

You couldn't even admit you were wrong on imported oil

https://www.eia.gov...
Since May 2011, the United States has been a net exporter (exports were greater than imports) of noncrude petroleum liquids, refined petroleum products, and biofuels. The volume of net exports of U.S. noncrude petroleum liquids and products in June 2015 was equivalent to about 10% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in June 2015.

Obama says U.S. produces more oil than it imports for first time in nearly 20 years
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Domestic crude oil production surpassed crude oil imports in October 2013 for the first time since 1995.

We also consulted the U.S. Energy Information Administration. According to their November 2013 report, the United States produced an average of 7.8 million barrels of oil per day in October and imported 7.5 million barrels of oil per day

But, if Allah didn't say so, its not fact to you.
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1/19/2016 5:11:47 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:00:57 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 1/19/2016 3:19:54 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 1:53:45 PM, Raisor wrote:
Nobody owes you a response to your posts.

I someone gets bored or frustrated with an exchange it is their prerogative to end the exchange.

By all means, let them betray their cowardice by failing to take responsibility for their stupidity.

If you think failing to respond to an Internet post from a stranger is "cowardice" your life experience is very limited.

That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about taking responsibility for your own posts. That's clearly stated in the OP.
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1/19/2016 5:32:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:03:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:58:12 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM, TBR wrote:

Speaking of yourself I presume.

- Sigh...

You couldn't even admit you were wrong on imported oil

- Because I ain't. You are.

https://www.eia.gov...
Since May 2011, the United States has been a net exporter (exports were greater than imports) of noncrude petroleum liquids, refined petroleum products, and biofuels. The volume of net exports of U.S. noncrude petroleum liquids and products in June 2015 was equivalent to about 10% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in June 2015.

- Key word here being, non-crude petroleum. If you noticed there is a link in the article that takes you into page of detailed information about all the production, imports & exports (http://www.eia.gov...):
=> When considering all oil products (Crude Oil & Petroleum Products), the imports (8,800k bpd) are far higher than the exports (4,628k bpd).

Obama says U.S. produces more oil than it imports for first time in nearly 20 years
http://www.politifact.com...
Domestic crude oil production surpassed crude oil imports in October 2013 for the first time since 1995.

- Sure, we've been over this several times. The US does indeed produce more oil than it imports, but it still imports much more oil than it exports.

We also consulted the U.S. Energy Information Administration. According to their November 2013 report, the United States produced an average of 7.8 million barrels of oil per day in October and imported 7.5 million barrels of oil per day

- Case in point. In the same year, it imported, on average, 9.8 million bpd, but exported only 3.6 million bpd (http://www.eia.gov...). <= This, in terms of all oil products, crude & otherwise.

But, if Allah didn't say so, its not fact to you.

- This is not helping your case. AT ALL. So, would you be willing to admit you were wrong now?!
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1/19/2016 5:36:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I think youre just bored with the swing of things.
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1/19/2016 5:37:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:32:08 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:03:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:58:12 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM, TBR wrote:

Speaking of yourself I presume.

- Sigh...

You couldn't even admit you were wrong on imported oil

- Because I ain't. You are.

https://www.eia.gov...
Since May 2011, the United States has been a net exporter (exports were greater than imports) of noncrude petroleum liquids, refined petroleum products, and biofuels. The volume of net exports of U.S. noncrude petroleum liquids and products in June 2015 was equivalent to about 10% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in June 2015.

- Key word here being, non-crude petroleum. If you noticed there is a link in the article that takes you into page of detailed information about all the production, imports & exports (http://www.eia.gov...):
=> When considering all oil products (Crude Oil & Petroleum Products), the imports (8,800k bpd) are far higher than the exports (4,628k bpd).

Obama says U.S. produces more oil than it imports for first time in nearly 20 years
http://www.politifact.com...
Domestic crude oil production surpassed crude oil imports in October 2013 for the first time since 1995.

- Sure, we've been over this several times. The US does indeed produce more oil than it imports, but it still imports much more oil than it exports.

We also consulted the U.S. Energy Information Administration. According to their November 2013 report, the United States produced an average of 7.8 million barrels of oil per day in October and imported 7.5 million barrels of oil per day

- Case in point. In the same year, it imported, on average, 9.8 million bpd, but exported only 3.6 million bpd (http://www.eia.gov...). <= This, in terms of all oil products, crude & otherwise.

But, if Allah didn't say so, its not fact to you.

- This is not helping your case. AT ALL. So, would you be willing to admit you were wrong now?!

Islam is a sadistic distortion of preexisting religions: Judaism and Christianity. If Jews and Christians and Jews are infidels, reading about ideas, concepts, and people from those religions that have been airlifted into your religion after the fact is logically narccisistic and sociopathic.
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1/19/2016 5:39:30 PM
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At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I don't ignore anyone on purpose. I continue to ram my head against the wall in the manner of my opponent until they submit out of frustration or drown themselves in cereal bowl milk. Surrender through attrition.
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1/19/2016 5:41:24 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:36:25 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I think youre just bored with the swing of things.

Then I suggest you refine your thinking ability.
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1/19/2016 5:43:54 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:32:08 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:03:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:58:12 PM, Yassine wrote:
At 1/19/2016 4:57:15 PM, TBR wrote:

Speaking of yourself I presume.

- Sigh...

You couldn't even admit you were wrong on imported oil

- Because I ain't. You are.

https://www.eia.gov...
Since May 2011, the United States has been a net exporter (exports were greater than imports) of noncrude petroleum liquids, refined petroleum products, and biofuels. The volume of net exports of U.S. noncrude petroleum liquids and products in June 2015 was equivalent to about 10% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in June 2015.

- Key word here being, non-crude petroleum. If you noticed there is a link in the article that takes you into page of detailed information about all the production, imports & exports (http://www.eia.gov...):
=> When considering all oil products (Crude Oil & Petroleum Products), the imports (8,800k bpd) are far higher than the exports (4,628k bpd).

Obama says U.S. produces more oil than it imports for first time in nearly 20 years
http://www.politifact.com...
Domestic crude oil production surpassed crude oil imports in October 2013 for the first time since 1995.

- Sure, we've been over this several times. The US does indeed produce more oil than it imports, but it still imports much more oil than it exports.

And I told you (and showed you) that we have the refining capacity to make it into stuff, hence the reason. You are being a stubborn fool.


We also consulted the U.S. Energy Information Administration. According to their November 2013 report, the United States produced an average of 7.8 million barrels of oil per day in October and imported 7.5 million barrels of oil per day

- Case in point. In the same year, it imported, on average, 9.8 million bpd, but exported only 3.6 million bpd (http://www.eia.gov...). <= This, in terms of all oil products, crude & otherwise.

Yet again. Missing the point or being willfully stupid. Import crud, export the finished product. Further, your number says nothing of production, only import and export.


But, if Allah didn't say so, its not fact to you.

- This is not helping your case. AT ALL. So, would you be willing to admit you were wrong now?!

Are you this dim?
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1/19/2016 5:45:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:39:30 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I don't ignore anyone on purpose. I continue to ram my head against the wall in the manner of my opponent until they submit out of frustration or drown themselves in cereal bowl milk. Surrender through attrition.

Drowning in one's cereal bowl milk ... I might steal that.
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1/19/2016 5:46:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:41:24 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:36:25 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I think youre just bored with the swing of things.

Then I suggest you refine your thinking ability.

Its refined enough. As I said earlier, youre just a boring person trying to prove to everyone here that youre not.
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1/19/2016 5:49:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/19/2016 5:46:06 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:41:24 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:36:25 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/19/2016 5:09:30 AM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
In the year I have been on this site I haven't posted a great deal or read a lot of posts, but from what I have posted and read, I have noticed a frequency of what I will call "shameful silence". There have been a fair number of times when I have proven an "opponent" incorrect, and they then refused to respond to that proof or to questions challenging their position. There have also been times I was accused of something or other, and vindicated myself, requiring the accuser to answer for his/her error, just to be ignored. From reading other posts, I have noticed this happening to a few other members as well.

This topic is to see how many other members have experienced this on this site. If so, do they attribute the "shameful silence" to:

Cowardice?

Lack of integrity?

Hollow pride?

D - All the above?

I discourage any use of member's names in this topic. For those who respond, please mention incidents only, omitting any names. Mostly, I'm just curious to see how many others have experienced this, and how they feel about it.

I think youre just bored with the swing of things.

Then I suggest you refine your thinking ability.

Its refined enough. As I said earlier, youre just a boring person trying to prove to everyone here that youre not.

Posted by a member whose unsupported opinion shows no merit.
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