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3/10/2016 4:25:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
It's been years since the Hall of Fame was started. I thought about this randomly yesterday - what is written about each person may be outdated. For example, Bench has made the DDO Movie since he was inducted. So every once in a while, I think we should make additions to Hall of Fame entries - to keep up with what people may have done since being inducted.
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3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.
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3/10/2016 5:02:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

I agree. I lean towards static for this very reason.
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3/10/2016 5:05:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Like, the reason Bench is in the hall is not the movie, it is what he did in the further past. If you want to know about him now, well just ask - Im sure he would tell you how he has grown and matured as a troll of conservatives, and amateur IP thief :)
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3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?
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3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.
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3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.
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3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.
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3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...
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3/10/2016 9:07:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...

I'm just saying that people just want short entries about the people in the HOF. It can be off putting if we have descriptions the size of whole debates for each individual person in it.
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3/10/2016 9:07:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

Not a bad idea.
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3/10/2016 9:09:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:07:06 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...

I'm just saying that people just want short entries about the people in the HOF. It can be off putting if we have descriptions the size of whole debates for each individual person in it.

You would think doing enough to be in the Hall of Fame can warrant a couple paragraphs.
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3/10/2016 9:09:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:09:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:07:06 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...

I'm just saying that people just want short entries about the people in the HOF. It can be off putting if we have descriptions the size of whole debates for each individual person in it.

You would think doing enough to be in the Hall of Fame can warrant a couple paragraphs.

Quality, not quantity.
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3/10/2016 9:10:12 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:09:39 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:09:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:07:06 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...

I'm just saying that people just want short entries about the people in the HOF. It can be off putting if we have descriptions the size of whole debates for each individual person in it.

You would think doing enough to be in the Hall of Fame can warrant a couple paragraphs.

Quality, not quantity.

That has...absolutely nothing to do with this...
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3/10/2016 9:11:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 4:25:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
It's been years since the Hall of Fame was started. I thought about this randomly yesterday - what is written about each person may be outdated. For example, Bench has made the DDO Movie since he was inducted. So every once in a while, I think we should make additions to Hall of Fame entries - to keep up with what people may have done since being inducted.

Ive actually been lobbying Airmax hard about this XD In addition to the lack of mention of the movie, my HoF entry also says I have 200 victories and rank 2nd in wins, when now I have over twice as many and rank 1st in sheer number of wins.... It also makes no mention of the invention of fanfictions either, which is a feat im also quite proud of
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3/10/2016 9:12:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:11:36 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:25:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
It's been years since the Hall of Fame was started. I thought about this randomly yesterday - what is written about each person may be outdated. For example, Bench has made the DDO Movie since he was inducted. So every once in a while, I think we should make additions to Hall of Fame entries - to keep up with what people may have done since being inducted.

Ive actually been lobbying Airmax hard about this XD In addition to the lack of mention of the movie, my HoF entry also says I have 200 victories and rank 2nd in wins, when now I have over twice as many and rank 1st in sheer number of wins.... It also makes no mention of the invention of fanfictions either, which is a feat im also quite proud of

Yeah...a lot has happened in - what - three years since you got in?
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3/10/2016 9:14:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
In all fairness though a lot of the people in the Hall of Fame havent done anything dramatic or noteworthy in their time after being in the HoF.... Looking over Freedo, Koopin, and Innomens profiles for example I cant really think of anything else to add to them even though they pop by the site once in a while. I on the other hand am simply an oddball since im always attempting crazy sh** around here, so the issue of keeping HoF entries about inductees up to date is pretty much literally only an issue for my case.
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3/10/2016 9:14:57 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:10:12 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:09:39 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:09:13 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:07:06 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:05:26 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:03:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:59:06 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:56:56 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

The hall of fame description are supposed to be about WHY they were nominated into it. People like imabench were nominated long before DDO the movie was released. If you updated them all then nobody would actually know why he was nominated in the first place.

You could, like, note the additional entry by dating it. That would distinguish it from the reason for nomination.

I suppose but over the years the descriptions will become increasingly long which will make them difficult to read.

Right, because who here can read...

I'm just saying that people just want short entries about the people in the HOF. It can be off putting if we have descriptions the size of whole debates for each individual person in it.

You would think doing enough to be in the Hall of Fame can warrant a couple paragraphs.

Quality, not quantity.

That has...absolutely nothing to do with this...

You just said that being in the HOF warrants more than a couple of paragraphs. You are proposing that we update the HOF and add more to it because being in the HOF is a big achievement and updating it will make it better (as is implied by your post regarding it warranting more than a couple of paragraphs). Meaning that you believe that updating the HOF with more content (ie. quantity) will make it better (ie. quality). Therefore I said to you that it isn't about quantity. It is about quality.
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3/10/2016 9:16:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 4:25:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
It's been years since the Hall of Fame was started. I thought about this randomly yesterday - what is written about each person may be outdated. For example, Bench has made the DDO Movie since he was inducted. So every once in a while, I think we should make additions to Hall of Fame entries - to keep up with what people may have done since being inducted.

I think the biggest problem with the hall of fame currently is that I'm not in it.
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3/10/2016 9:18:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 8:53:36 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:37:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I am not sure what I think about this...I am almost of two minds. Like, I agree with your overall point, but there's something kind of cute/nostalgic about freezing it in time. IDK.

Isn't it weird for someone to be in a hall of fame if their greatest achievements aren't necessarily included?

In a sense, but I agree with TBR when he said that those paragraphs are meant to reflect what they did to get into the HOF, and that those thus have better explanatory value than retrospective reflections.
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3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.
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3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site
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3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.
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3/10/2016 10:46:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.

Why not tag a link to the person in the hof to their wiki page
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3/10/2016 11:00:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 10:46:11 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.

Why not tag a link to the person in the hof to their wiki page

Good idea.
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3/10/2016 11:23:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.

Dont, the wiki is like the presidency in that it just needs to be left alone to die
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3/11/2016 12:37:56 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I think it should not been kept in the Hall of Fame, you know. Something like the "Encyclopedia" would be helpful to update this all. But people, imabench is already a retired debater, and his 450 wins, etc. etc. should be included because those things might not be increased because, he is already retired and just enjoying his thing. His contributions might not grow anymore...and we can just select from his debates to showcase in his Encyclopedia or Hall of Fame.
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3/11/2016 12:41:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 10:46:11 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.

Why not tag a link to the person in the hof to their wiki page

That's not a bad idea. I will talk with Max this weekend, and I'm sure we can find a good solution to the issue.
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3/11/2016 12:41:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 11:23:22 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:24:06 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:21:47 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/10/2016 9:19:12 PM, bsh1 wrote:
I think the Wiki is a better place to keep updated lists of accomplishments.

People try to keep the Wiki as an actual thing about the site but unless it gets a sticky I dont see it as a real meaningful part of the site

I will work on that, then.

Dont, the wiki is like the presidency in that it just needs to be left alone to die

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