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3/16/2016 10:59:38 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

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Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?

I am. But who was he distinguished DDO member quoted in the article?
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3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...
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3/16/2016 12:12:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

If I recall correctly, that was a terrible paper. It's been a while since I saw someone link it.
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3/16/2016 12:13:03 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 12:12:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

If I recall correctly, that was a terrible paper. It's been a while since I saw someone link it.

Yep.
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3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!
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3/16/2016 1:02:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

Not a bad research. It exposed the voting problems as well.

http://www.theslateonline.com...

I think it is one of the questions in the Opinions section, or it could be in the Polls section.

I remember I cite DDO to many times in my school research papers before. I just joined in this website in Feb. 5 after I submitted my World History paper, and I quoted one opinion from a question which is about the separation of the Church and State. I also entered my opinion there.
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3/16/2016 1:05:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 1:02:33 PM, CodingSource wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

Not a bad research. It exposed the voting problems as well.

I disagree. It argues that DDO should adopt an anonymous voting system, which actually *was there* prior to the study and was discontinued due to strategic voting. Furthermore, the "biased voting" problem hardly exists anymore thanks to moderation.
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3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.
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3/16/2016 2:46:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.

The only thing I ask is that the paper isn't half-assed.
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3/16/2016 2:47:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 2:46:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.

The only thing I ask is that the paper isn't half-assed.

Most papers, like most of anything, are half-assed lol
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3/16/2016 3:55:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 2:46:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

The only thing I ask is that the paper isn't half-assed.

There was a part in the paper where it had a bunch of question marks... it didn't look like the final product.

As for the topic at hand, the link in the OP is using a very generous definition of "study" :p the point is still taken though and that's the thing about doing anything on the internet... it's all publicly available, some more public than others. Definitely in an open forum.

I'm looking forward to the day that a researcher does a content analysis of my recent threads in the society forum haha

At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

These were really excellent observations. It's goes with the territory any time you answer a direct question on any website. All those Facebook and Buzzfeed quizzes are collecting data for someone.
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3/16/2016 3:59:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
What did you guys dislike about the paper?
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3/16/2016 5:38:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:59:38 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?

I am. But who was he distinguished DDO member quoted in the article?

Whoever it was, I give him/her props for being a fellow oxford comma user. We are the master race.
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3/16/2016 5:50:37 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 5:38:20 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:59:38 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?

I am. But who was he distinguished DDO member quoted in the article?

Whoever it was, I give him/her props for being a fellow oxford comma user. We are the master race.

I know! Some people don't use it, but it is very useful, entirely necessary and more formal. I don't understand why people don't use it.
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3/16/2016 7:40:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
I'm surprised they got the polls to work.
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3/16/2016 7:44:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:42:17 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
"In order to progress as a society, we need to have these different opinions in order to provide different perspectives and make the best decisions politically, socially, and economically."

Am I supposed to bow in reverence for this sage and totally non-obvious wisdom?

Yes, you are!

We should all take this statement into consideration, to better DDO. :p
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3/16/2016 7:45:55 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:44:50 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 7:42:17 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
"In order to progress as a society, we need to have these different opinions in order to provide different perspectives and make the best decisions politically, socially, and economically."

Am I supposed to bow in reverence for this sage and totally non-obvious wisdom?

Yes, you are!

We should all take this statement into consideration, to better DDO. :p

I know you're being sarcastic, but I've got to say: that article is dumb and the author [I am inferring] is dumb.
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3/16/2016 7:51:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.
I'm not talking about researchers, as far as individual researchers, who are obtaining a bachelors, masters or doctors degree, and using DDO to compile information. That wouldn't even make sense, as far as being able to use info from users on here, since a source is not credible in academic studies if a source is anonymous.

I'm talking about major marketers, who are compiling information to FORM public thought. Marketers market ideas, not just products.

An example would be, to post a question, of a controversial nature, and count how many responses they get, yeses and nos, rather than compile info on specific thoughts for a given topic. Then marketers can know what issues incite the most reactions, and they can feed it back to the population, via games that are occurring in the political arena.

I didn't mean to seem overly defensive, but thanks for your response because it helped me to clarify why I have an issue, if this is what is occurring.
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3/16/2016 7:59:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 3:55:30 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/16/2016 2:46:05 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

The only thing I ask is that the paper isn't half-assed.

There was a part in the paper where it had a bunch of question marks... it didn't look like the final product.

As for the topic at hand, the link in the OP is using a very generous definition of "study" :p the point is still taken though and that's the thing about doing anything on the internet... it's all publicly available, some more public than others. Definitely in an open forum.

I'm looking forward to the day that a researcher does a content analysis of my recent threads in the society forum haha

At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

These were really excellent observations. It's goes with the territory any time you answer a direct question on any website. All those Facebook and Buzzfeed quizzes are collecting data for someone.
I noticed it because I'm new here, and before I ventured into the forums, I read mainly questions. I was puzzled that there were only a few handfuls of new questions on any given day, many unanswered, or sparsely answered. Then all of a sudden, plenty of questions were created in a matter of hours, and most of them did not link to any profile, but got many responses, possibly because of the way they were worded.
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3/16/2016 8:01:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?

That is a very sad statement on journalism
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3/16/2016 8:30:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 5:38:20 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:

Whoever it was, I give him/her props for being a fellow oxford comma user. We are the master race.

I rebuke that. Maikuru's always fvcking correcting my emails with that nonsense.
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3/16/2016 8:35:08 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.

How crappy of a researcher do you have to be to use DDO?
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3/16/2016 9:09:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:35:08 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/16/2016 2:44:33 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:29:18 PM, Emmarie wrote:
At 3/16/2016 10:13:55 AM, Hoppi wrote:
http://www.theslateonline.com...

Paragraph 4.

Is anyone else surprised that ddo is being used as a research source?
link to how many times this question, about political correctness was recently asked
http://www.debate.org...
link to a forum topic I posted yesterday, asking why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to any profile
http://www.debate.org...
link to an opinion question that i made about why there are so many opinion questions that don't link to a profile
http://www.debate.org...

I'm trying to make users aware so that they can prevent being used as guinea pigs, if they choose not to!

Users should be aware that anything they post on DDO is open source archival data and thus can be used for research purposes. Researchers could extend a courtesy and ask users for permission before doing so, but in strict ethical terms, they don't have to.

How crappy of a researcher do you have to be to use DDO?

I've considered using DDO before for data collection, so pretty crappy.

Of course, I reached out to the individuals in question first and asked their permission, so any question of permission wouldn't be an issue. I can all but guarantee that every social media site on the internet is currently being used for data collection. What's good about DDO specifically over sites like Facebook is the anonymity. For example, one could conduct a content analysis on potential differences in friend networks across an anonymous vs. an identified social media site.
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3/16/2016 9:10:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:30:40 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:38:20 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:

Whoever it was, I give him/her props for being a fellow oxford comma user. We are the master race.

I rebuke that. Maikuru's always fvcking correcting my emails with that nonsense.

Every time you don't use an oxford comma, it's a cry for help.
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3/16/2016 9:31:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:10:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:30:40 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:38:20 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:

Whoever it was, I give him/her props for being a fellow oxford comma user. We are the master race.

I rebuke that. Maikuru's always fvcking correcting my emails with that nonsense.

Every time you don't use an oxford comma, it's a cry for help.

Fairytales, lies and fallacies.
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3/16/2016 10:16:29 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 12:12:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

If I recall correctly, that was a terrible paper. It's been a while since I saw someone link it.

Really? How so? I just got done skimming it. For an objective third party in 2010, it seemed to hit a few nails on the head.
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3/16/2016 10:19:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 1:05:28 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 3/16/2016 1:02:33 PM, CodingSource wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

Not a bad research. It exposed the voting problems as well.

I disagree. It argues that DDO should adopt an anonymous voting system, which actually *was there* prior to the study and was discontinued due to strategic voting.

We agree that the anonymous system doesn't work, for reasons the community saw when it was first existent. But from a third party perspective, with the reasons he gave you can at least tell that the judgement on that was justified (IE not being manipulated to vote a certain way based on who you are in the community).

Furthermore, the "biased voting" problem hardly exists anymore thanks to moderation.

Yeah, this was written in 2010, I think.
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3/16/2016 10:21:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:16:29 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:12:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/16/2016 12:02:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
There's literally a study *on* debate.org:

http://www.grpatten.com...

If I recall correctly, that was a terrible paper. It's been a while since I saw someone link it.

Really? How so? I just got done skimming it. For an objective third party in 2010, it seemed to hit a few nails on the head.

I don't remember it in full...I think Bluesteel made a post about it once though.
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