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What's the point of a DDO President?

U.n
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3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?
FaustianJustice
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3/24/2016 4:04:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The classic desire for political power, manifested in a struggle of popularity for a few specific groups, trying to gain the respect of those they are popular with while pandering to those they are not, all for the desire to enforce classic or liberal values based on their experiences with the site.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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3/24/2016 5:32:21 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The Presidency hosts a kind of implied power that Bsh's administration shows... His administration has around 15 members doing nearly 10 different progams and projects, excluding discontinued programs over the course of 6 months... Only the President as the implied power and implied responsibility needed to pull that off. Try pulling that same thing off without being president...

The president only helps Airmax by organizing user complaints and working with member over conflicts, so they don't become a much bigger mess by the time Airmax can tactic it. If there is a concern over Moderation, the president would help work with the members, or else the issue could get further out of hand.
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3/24/2016 6:23:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

it has no point
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3/24/2016 6:32:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The purpose is to create business for the popcorn industry.
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3/24/2016 7:28:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The Presidency what it is now is actually far different from what it was before. Bac when Juggle, the company who owns the site, routinely updated the site and added new features to it every so often, the presidency was very coveted since the president worked directly with Juggle to try to make DDO better. It was no job that any idiot could do, which to people who thought they could do the job, made the presidency look extremely valuable.

However, now that Juggle has almost no interest in the site, the role of the presidency has fallen tremendously. 2 of the past 3 elected presidents ended up leaving the job primarily because they felt the presidency was worthless and that couldnt be used to fix any issues on the site, and the 3rd president almost lost re-election to a complete tool, which would be unthinkable to have happened in presidential elections before..... Its due to how pointless the presidency has become compared to what it used to be that many people think the whole thing can be done away with.

Summary: The position actually did used to mean something, which is why people go crazy over it.
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3/24/2016 9:07:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
"What's the point of a DDO President?"

To create drama between a few regular users.
every 6 months or so.
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3/24/2016 9:19:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

Good on your cv. Helps you claim you're an intellectual, engaged, modern, community builder, capable of marketing ideas and building consensus among a diverse user base etc. You could mention ddo's daily hit rate, which is probably high...
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3/24/2016 10:00:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

In the DDO's FAQ's section, under "What does the site president do?" section, it states:

The Debate.org President acts as a liaison between the members of the community and Juggle, the company that owns the site. They advocate for the interests of the membership and express what updates the community is generally most interested in. They will also help with anything a member is having problems with and try to resolve any issues that members may have.

Seeing as communication with Juggle has stopped, it is now used mostly as position of service. Many users feel the presidency is pointless (and in a way they have a point), but there could be benefits from having a president as much as there are downfalls. At the very least, site presidents shouldn't stop persisting in their efforts to contact Juggle and communicate site issues, as that was the primary reason the role was created.
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3/24/2016 10:08:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

Its a community organizer
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3/24/2016 11:59:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

A figure head that represents the community and tries to improve it in the ways they believe will help the site as a whole.
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3/25/2016 12:24:23 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point?

The only honest answer to this question is this: The point of the presidency is whatever any president makes of it. I've seen excellent presidents, and terrible ones. I've opposed good presidents because I misjudged their abilities (TUF is the person I most unreasonably underestimated, whereas Mikal was the president I most overestimated... I must have been on drugs when I supported his bid).

Some presidents act as community cheer leaders, others try to develop cool stuff for the site, while others yet micromanage the life out of the site and whine when things don't go their way and people don't like them. Some do it out of a sense of obligation. Others do it for sh!ts and giggles. It really just depends.

Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

It is not coveted, generally, except by those who want it, and few do; especially now.
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3/25/2016 1:07:22 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 9:07:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
"What's the point of a DDO President?"

To create drama between a few regular users.
every 6 months or so.

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3/25/2016 1:24:29 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

There's no point to the presidency; the DDO President is about as useful as decaffeinated coffee.
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3/25/2016 2:19:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 6:32:04 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The purpose is to create business for the popcorn industry.

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3/25/2016 3:29:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The DDO president executes the will of the DDO Congress (usually referred to as the DDO Elite) an has power to dispose of the discretionary budget. The DDO president also has the power to implement fiscal and social policy that the DDO Elite are unable to do without exposing their identity. The DDO Elite are a shadow organization- it's an invite only group.

The DDO president is ultimately accountable to the DDO supreme justices, or the mods, which are not elected officials but are instead given lifetime appointments.
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3/25/2016 5:12:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 3:29:27 PM, Raisor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:38:15 PM, U.n wrote:
I see all this hype around the DDO President. People are still talking about the last election. Meanwhile others are bidding for the next term.

But what's the point? Why is the DDO Predidency so coveted?

From what I can assess the President makes forum posts and talks to moderators. Can not we all make forum posts and talk to the moderators? I mean.:. I just made this forum post and I didn't need to win an election to do so.

What exactly am I missing here?

The DDO president executes the will of the DDO Congress (usually referred to as the DDO Elite) an has power to dispose of the discretionary budget. The DDO president also has the power to implement fiscal and social policy that the DDO Elite are unable to do without exposing their identity. The DDO Elite are a shadow organization- it's an invite only group.

The DDO president is ultimately accountable to the DDO supreme justices, or the mods, which are not elected officials but are instead given lifetime appointments.

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