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3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.
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3/30/2016 5:27:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

If there's no elections, mods control everything.

Im fairly certain that mods already control everything even with presidential elections in place, at least everything of importance..... Is there any veto-like power that the President holds over the mod? As far as I can tell the Presidency is just an over-glorified advisory position.

We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

If we need to rely on Juggle to get rid of a mod then we're all completely f*cked because Juggle doesnt do anything on here anymore.
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3/30/2016 5:31:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:27:31 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

If there's no elections, mods control everything.

Im fairly certain that mods already control everything even with presidential elections in place, at least everything of importance..... Is there any veto-like power that the President holds over the mod? As far as I can tell the Presidency is just an over-glorified advisory position.

We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

If we need to rely on Juggle to get rid of a mod then we're all completely f*cked because Juggle doesnt do anything on here anymore.

The mod has the power because Juggle gives the mod the ability to log into the backend and do things like ban people, remove threads, and remove votes. But if the president vehemently objects on behalf of the memberbase, that would certainly influence the mod's decision. Ultimately, the mod can't ban the entire userbase and if the userbase has a problem with the mod, and everyone decides they don't want the current mod, they can certainly speak to Juggle next time Juggle gets onto the site and have the mod's powers removed. Juggle won't leave a mod in place that the users don't like.
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3/30/2016 5:33:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

I cannot imagine that anyone would *ever* give bsh1 any moderating powers, given who and what he is. I mean, to even offer him a position as a mod in any capacity would be inane beyond description.

Despite my strong disagreements with Airmax in the past, it is inconceivable to me that he would be so stupid as to surrender mod control to bsh1. Like, doing so would be nothing less than an act of abject idiocy, for reasons that I can think of fifteen members off the top of my head who could explain.

And, frankly, if bsh1 ever was a moderater, certain members may be under ethical obligations to disclose certain things in protest, because to give him a moderater position would be not only terribly disastrous, but would expose many to very real and considerable risk... risk which they currently do not have sufficient facts to understand.

Though, I am virtually certain that everything would come out in the open, were that the case.

On the subject, though... there is a huge problem with people on this site making assumptions about how much they know with regard to any situation. Particularly, they assume they know everything based on their limited perception of what they see. They are often too dumb to think about what they might not know; for example, what happens via PM's, or off the site.

So people should be less quick to rush to judgements unless they are in full command of the facts.
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3/30/2016 5:37:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:31:26 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:27:31 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

If there's no elections, mods control everything.

Im fairly certain that mods already control everything even with presidential elections in place, at least everything of importance..... Is there any veto-like power that the President holds over the mod? As far as I can tell the Presidency is just an over-glorified advisory position.

We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

If we need to rely on Juggle to get rid of a mod then we're all completely f*cked because Juggle doesnt do anything on here anymore.

The mod has the power because Juggle gives the mod the ability to log into the backend and do things like ban people, remove threads, and remove votes. But if the president vehemently objects on behalf of the memberbase, that would certainly influence the mod's decision.

So basically the president has as much power in stopping a mod from doing something as the UN does in stopping a dictator from bombing his own people......

Ultimately, the mod can't ban the entire userbase and if the userbase has a problem with the mod, and everyone decides they don't want the current mod, they can certainly speak to Juggle next time Juggle gets onto the site

Which could be never for all we know.

Juggle won't leave a mod in place that the users don't like.

Juggle leaves all kinds of things in place that users dont like. They leave the opinions section in place even though users dont like it, they dont update the home page or refresh top debates which users dont like, they dont fix site bugs that users dont like, and for every prominent member that leaves there are a dozen temporary noobs that arrive on the site for the first time..... I think Juggle would certainly leave a mod in place people dont like since they have already left so many aspects of the site in its current state despite how users dont like them.
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3/30/2016 5:53:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

The President really can't do anything in this "hypothetical scenario" because airmax can't introduce them to Juggle because Juggle won't listen. And in all honesty, at this point I don't think Juggle would even care if airmax left.
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3/30/2016 5:57:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
tl dr

If Airmax goes, the president becomes mod and we are all f*cked.

It could be worse... Bench could be elected president...
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3/30/2016 6:05:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:57:44 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
tl dr

If Airmax goes, the president becomes mod and we are all f*cked.

Not quite. If Airmax goes without even naming someone else a mod or Juggle doesnt care enough to make another mod at Airmax's recommendation, then technically the site has no mods

It could be worse... Bench could be elected president...

Im running to END the presidency, not BE president ;)
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3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.
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3/30/2016 6:13:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Sounds exactly like something AN AIRMAX ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WOULD SAY
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3/30/2016 6:15:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:13:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Sounds exactly like something AN AIRMAX ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WOULD SAY

Shhhhhhhhhh :x I told you to keep it on the Dl!
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3/30/2016 6:37:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Not even me?

Airmax multis are getting out of hand.
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3/30/2016 6:42:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:37:23 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Not even me?

Airmax multis are getting out of hand.

Nope. Sorry. The head mod has a lot of personal information, such as I.P's and phone numbers, and i don't trust any other member, than airmax to see the info.
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3/30/2016 6:43:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

I strongly agree with this analysis, and the idea of the President being a part of a system of checks and balances was one I have raised before in defending the utility of the institution.
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3/30/2016 6:43:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:42:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:37:23 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Not even me?

Airmax multis are getting out of hand.

Nope. Sorry. The head mod has a lot of personal information, such as I.P's and phone numbers, and i don't trust any other member, than airmax to see the info.

Why not me?
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3/30/2016 6:44:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:43:26 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:42:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:37:23 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Not even me?

Airmax multis are getting out of hand.

Nope. Sorry. The head mod has a lot of personal information, such as I.P's and phone numbers, and i don't trust any other member, than airmax to see the info.

Why not me?

Because. Who knows if you have beef with someone on the site, and may use their info against them.if you were the head mod. I don't know you very well anyways.
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3/30/2016 6:53:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:05:32 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:57:44 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
tl dr

If Airmax goes, the president becomes mod and we are all f*cked.

Not quite. If Airmax goes without even naming someone else a mod or Juggle doesnt care enough to make another mod at Airmax's recommendation, then technically the site has no mods

That mightn't be so terrible. >.> Just anarchy, trolls, spam and whatnot. The occasional losing of brain cells from stupidity...

On the bright side, TWS COULD RETURN :D

It could be worse... Bench could be elected president...

Im running to END the presidency, not BE president ;)

If you were offered a mod position, what would you do?
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3/30/2016 7:19:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

This is a good post, I think I agree.
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3/30/2016 7:21:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:15:02 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:13:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Sounds exactly like something AN AIRMAX ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WOULD SAY

Shhhhhhhhhh :x I told you to keep it on the Dl!

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3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:21:32 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:15:02 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:13:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Sounds exactly like something AN AIRMAX ALTERNATE ACCOUNT WOULD SAY

Shhhhhhhhhh :x I told you to keep it on the Dl!

Woah, I don't want to imagine anything on imabenches D.

Wooooooooooooow. Don't be jealous.
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3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM
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At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.
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3/30/2016 7:31:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.

What makes anyone think that the president would naturally become the next mod?
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3/30/2016 7:34:10 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:31:32 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.

What makes anyone think that the president would naturally become the next mod?

You'd have to ask F-16 that question. I am a believer that mod and president should be separate. But if airmax ever did give up his mod powers, would you rather it be user voted, or just handed to whomever he thought would best use the role? (Generally curious about your position, not setting up an argument. I am null on this).
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3/30/2016 7:37:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.

Well, I believe airmax choses the mods to the best of his judgments. The only mod I would trust to take his place is BOT, and maybe whiteflame. It should up to Max compleatly.
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3/30/2016 7:39:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:37:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.

Well, I believe airmax choses the mods to the best of his judgments. The only mod I would trust to take his place is BOT, and maybe whiteflame. It should up to Max compleatly.

Yeah, airmax probably would make those decisions.
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3/30/2016 7:42:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 7:31:32 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/30/2016 7:22:56 PM, TUF wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:09:30 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Having any president choosing to ban people is completely unfair. I don't care who you are, people would take advantage of the powers. I don't trust anyone, but Airmax.

Agreed, but the point of the thread is that Airmax won't always be around, and if someone was going to take over such powers, you should vote for someone you think wouldn't abuse those powers.

What makes anyone think that the president would naturally become the next mod?

It's not natural but it's a stepping stone. Innomen when he was the president acted as a liason with Juggle (which was the president's job) and when he got to know the Juggle employees, they gave him mod powers. I doubt that would have happened if he wasn't an elected liason. When Innomen recommended Airmax, the mod powers passed to him. But Airmax was also elected as president before receiving mod powers. It's true that the current Juggle liason can just pick someone else and request that they be the next mod but it's an inferior system to having someone who is both recommended for the mod job and elected by the memberbase having that position. For instance, Airmax saw through Mikal even when he was running despite the userbase not seeing through him. So, both mod recommendation and user votes should be considered when determining the next mod. User votes only become relevant if we continue the presidency every six months. If we just have a "mod vote" once Airmax leaves, the entire culture of DDO will be different from the current culture of having elected representatives and we would have to make massive adjustments.
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3/30/2016 8:05:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:43:23 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:24:14 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
When the presidency started, it was a joke. Since Innomen's time, it was a liason position with Juggle. That continued through the Airmax presidency after which Airmax became a mod and Juggle gave him mod powers but the presidency elections continued every six months anyways.

So, why do we need it? Airmax is a great mod but he's not going to be around in perpetuity. Suppose he gets married and baby-Airmax is on the way and same with whiteflame and Raisor. Suppose Airmax then hands over modding powers to the trusted but controversial bsh1, introduces him to Juggle, and puts him as a liason between Juggle and the memberbase. In this hypothetical scenario, the hypothetical bsh1 would have the power to ban people for what he would perceive as poor conduct. Suppose the memberbase is not happy. What will we do then? If there's no elections, mods control everything.

The point of the election is to have a user representative to counter moderation's power. People have become complacent because the current mod is a mature and neutral figure. We need to have a user representative who will speak to Juggle on behalf of the userbase if we have future mods whose policies we don't agree with so we can rise up in revolt and kick them out of their position if needed.

I strongly agree with this analysis, and the idea of the President being a part of a system of checks and balances was one I have raised before in defending the utility of the institution.

But the President doesnt actually hold any checks or balances over moderation other than messages that begin with "I strongly suggest that...."
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3/30/2016 8:06:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:53:06 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:05:32 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:57:44 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
tl dr

If Airmax goes, the president becomes mod and we are all f*cked.

Not quite. If Airmax goes without even naming someone else a mod or Juggle doesnt care enough to make another mod at Airmax's recommendation, then technically the site has no mods

That mightn't be so terrible. >.> Just anarchy, trolls, spam and whatnot. The occasional losing of brain cells from stupidity...

On the bright side, TWS COULD RETURN :D

It could be worse... Bench could be elected president...

Im running to END the presidency, not BE president ;)

If you were offered a mod position, what would you do?

Ban myself just for the sh*ts and giggles
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3/30/2016 8:13:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 8:05:51 PM, imabench wrote:
But the President doesnt actually hold any checks or balances over moderation other than messages that begin with "I strongly suggest that...."

That's because the current mod never abuses his powers. What if hypothetical imabench became mod and trolled the fvck out of everyone and banned people for laughs? Then the president would be able to communicate with Juggle on behalf of the people and advocate that imabench be removed from his position.
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3/30/2016 8:15:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 8:06:32 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:53:06 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/30/2016 6:05:32 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:57:44 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
tl dr

If Airmax goes, the president becomes mod and we are all f*cked.

Not quite. If Airmax goes without even naming someone else a mod or Juggle doesnt care enough to make another mod at Airmax's recommendation, then technically the site has no mods

That mightn't be so terrible. >.> Just anarchy, trolls, spam and whatnot. The occasional losing of brain cells from stupidity...

On the bright side, TWS COULD RETURN :D

It could be worse... Bench could be elected president...

Im running to END the presidency, not BE president ;)

If you were offered a mod position, what would you do?

Ban myself just for the sh*ts and giggles

Listen!!! I got lots of problems with myself, and my behavior. I have taken just about enough of this crap from myself, and will have no more!