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4/10/2016 8:13:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
We are restarting a DDO blog. I have pulled a great contributor to the site and a member that has been here a while to oversee the production of the DDO blog. Some of you guys know this member as Vox Veritas.

The site has already been created and I will leave it up to Vox Veritas to make the big reveal. When it is completely finished, it will have videos from the best DDO shows such as the dramafarm, weekly stupid, the philochristos show, and Mikal's IDGAF. Having these shows in one convenient spot will be very convenient.

The best tutorial threads will be recreated and all in one convenient spot that is easy to find. I will help Vox Veritas rewrite these in a way that insure no violations of copyright have occurred and place them all in one convenient location on the blog.

If anyone wants to contribute to the blog, get a hold of Vox Veritas, and he will help you out.

Many of you know that my brother is an infrequent contributor to edeb8, and goes by the name "the redneck" their. I have forbidden him from joining DDO, because he is a jerk and I don't need him ruining my reputation here. Anyway I think he has matured a bit, and in my 2 week absence (At most), he will be joining the site to make up for my absence a little, though he will have no direct involvement with my administration. Please be nice to him in my absence.

Also congrats to Vox Veritas. I hope your big reveal goes great in my absence!
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4/10/2016 10:01:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
It's great to have a new member in on board the team. I'm sure that his involvement will have a positive impact on regards to support.
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4/10/2016 10:51:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/10/2016 10:50:05 PM, Hayd wrote:
lmao
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4/11/2016 1:13:06 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Im laughing because Wylted's strategy to get votes seems to revolve entirely around bringing voters into his administration

Someone pitch the question about why Wylted would need to be president for Vox to run the blog. Id love to see someone squirm as they try to answer that
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4/11/2016 2:21:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:13:06 AM, imabench wrote:
Im laughing because Wylted's strategy to get votes seems to revolve entirely around bringing voters into his administration

Someone pitch the question about why Wylted would need to be president for Vox to run the blog. Id love to see someone squirm as they try to answer that

It could be answered, but probably not a good one.
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4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
How will you do this without Juggle?
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4/11/2016 4:47:56 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
We already have the wiki for keeping track of much of that stuff... And 1harder has done a great job managing it. I agree entirely on the current administrations decision to endorse and help 1harder grow the wiki... Definitely a goal I would continue in force if elected (I have always loved wikis, especially wookiepedia...) ..

But continuing, or adding a new, blog, would not work, as the forum works for that. At best, if this were successful, it would be so at the cost of forum activity. We should endorse the growth of oc on the forums, not move that potential oc elsewhere.. This is like promising to fix a companies problems by making your own company and putting their out of business...
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4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.
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4/11/2016 1:57:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:47:56 AM, donald.keller wrote:
We already have the wiki for keeping track of much of that stuff... And 1harder has done a great job managing it. I agree entirely on the current administrations decision to endorse and help 1harder grow the wiki... Definitely a goal I would continue in force if elected (I have always loved wikis, especially wookiepedia...) ..

But continuing, or adding a new, blog, would not work, as the forum works for that. At best, if this were successful, it would be so at the cost of forum activity. We should endorse the growth of oc on the forums, not move that potential oc elsewhere.. This is like promising to fix a companies problems by making your own company and putting their out of business...

The reason the DDO Blog feel into disrepair is the same reason that the DDO Wiki initially fell into disrepair: No one views either of them or even visits them on a regular basis.... The Wiki and the Blog are simple pet projects that people can sink effort into to give the site some alleged "benefit" they believe the blog or wiki offers, but neither the blog nor the wiki have served as an invaluable part of the site in the past, and promises to bring them back or continue to maintain them is in my opinion just simple campaign propaganda. Both the Blog and the Wiki can be maintained without the need for a President to order they be maintained, so to try to earn campaign points off of it is simply a move of desperation to try to court votes in my opinion.
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4/11/2016 1:59:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:57:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:56 AM, donald.keller wrote:
We already have the wiki for keeping track of much of that stuff... And 1harder has done a great job managing it. I agree entirely on the current administrations decision to endorse and help 1harder grow the wiki... Definitely a goal I would continue in force if elected (I have always loved wikis, especially wookiepedia...) ..

But continuing, or adding a new, blog, would not work, as the forum works for that. At best, if this were successful, it would be so at the cost of forum activity. We should endorse the growth of oc on the forums, not move that potential oc elsewhere.. This is like promising to fix a companies problems by making your own company and putting their out of business...

The reason the DDO Blog feel into disrepair is the same reason that the DDO Wiki initially fell into disrepair: No one views either of them or even visits them on a regular basis.... The Wiki and the Blog are simple pet projects that people can sink effort into to give the site some alleged "benefit" they believe the blog or wiki offers, but neither the blog nor the wiki have served as an invaluable part of the site in the past, and promises to bring them back or continue to maintain them is in my opinion just simple campaign propaganda. Both the Blog and the Wiki can be maintained without the need for a President to order they be maintained, so to try to earn campaign points off of it is simply a move of desperation to try to court votes in my opinion.

Can't say I dis-agree.
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4/11/2016 5:41:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:10:30 AM, Forever23 wrote:
Lmfao. Theres as Hayd said already a wiki. Why would we need this?

Because a wiki is almost completely different from what Wylted proposes. On the wiki there are **no** videos, there are no recent updates being made on DDO drama, etc.
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4/11/2016 5:46:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:47:56 AM, donald.keller wrote:
We already have the wiki for keeping track of much of that stuff... And 1harder has done a great job managing it. I agree entirely on the current administrations decision to endorse and help 1harder grow the wiki... Definitely a goal I would continue in force if elected (I have always loved wikis, especially wookiepedia...) ..

The wiki is something that we wish to continue however if you look at the content that wylted lists, it is very different to what the wiki contains. The wiki doesn't have videos and much of the content that wylted wants on the blog.

But continuing, or adding a new, blog, would not work, as the forum works for that. At best, if this were successful, it would be so at the cost of forum activity. We should endorse the growth of oc on the forums, not move that potential oc elsewhere.. This is like promising to fix a companies problems by making your own company and putting their out of business...

Our campaign not only is planning on introducing official forum revivals as well but it also fully supports and encourages unfofficial ones too. The blog will add the additional content that wylted proposes that will be difficult and unlikely to add to the wiki or the forums.
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4/11/2016 5:50:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you do this without Juggle?

It will be external from the site. It won't be a feature of DDO, it will be on a separate site. Juggle isn't needed to be added in to the process.
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4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 5:50:41 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you do this without Juggle?

It will be external from the site. It won't be a feature of DDO, it will be on a separate site. Juggle isn't needed to be added in to the process.

So, you don't intend to use the on-site feature: http://blog.debate.org...

How will you get people to use/view the site? TUF tried to make an off-site feature for DDOians...it was a great feature with a lot of potential. But, after a few weeks, almost no one used it. This is similarly true of the wiki.
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4/11/2016 6:34:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:57:06 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:56 AM, donald.keller wrote:
We already have the wiki for keeping track of much of that stuff... And 1harder has done a great job managing it. I agree entirely on the current administrations decision to endorse and help 1harder grow the wiki... Definitely a goal I would continue in force if elected (I have always loved wikis, especially wookiepedia...) ..

But continuing, or adding a new, blog, would not work, as the forum works for that. At best, if this were successful, it would be so at the cost of forum activity. We should endorse the growth of oc on the forums, not move that potential oc elsewhere.. This is like promising to fix a companies problems by making your own company and putting their out of business...

The reason the DDO Blog feel into disrepair is the same reason that the DDO Wiki initially fell into disrepair: No one views either of them or even visits them on a regular basis.... The Wiki and the Blog are simple pet projects that people can sink effort into to give the site some alleged "benefit" they believe the blog or wiki offers, but neither the blog nor the wiki have served as an invaluable part of the site in the past, and promises to bring them back or continue to maintain them is in my opinion just simple campaign propaganda. Both the Blog and the Wiki can be maintained without the need for a President to order they be maintained, so to try to earn campaign points off of it is simply a move of desperation to try to court votes in my opinion.

The wiki is a project that mostly exists because people like spending time on it. But that's what gives it value. It's a project members enjoy. And a lot of members do visit it. We can even make use of it to teach and help new members learn more about the site, it's elements, and it's members. It does greatly serve that potentional. I would love to work more with 1harder on growing that potentional. Not just making the wiki bigger, but also growing how we use it to boost noobs knowledge of the site (and other potentional).

External projects, like the Wiki and FB page, need administrative promoting because they aren't immidiately important to forum-goers, even if the projects succeed when they are being promoted. Unlike in-site actitivies, like voting groups, fanfictions, or fun to do churches, which succeed without the administration taking them over. That the Presidents best ability... Promoting or leading projects that people would use alot, but otherwise don't have the will to do themself every month of every year, like the FB page.

The blog, however, was not a fun to work with project because writting op for it felt pointless when the forum had more viewers. If anything, unlike the wiki, the success of the blog would hurt the forum.
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4/11/2016 6:38:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:50:41 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you do this without Juggle?

It will be external from the site. It won't be a feature of DDO, it will be on a separate site. Juggle isn't needed to be added in to the process.

So, you don't intend to use the on-site feature: http://blog.debate.org...

How will you get people to use/view the site? TUF tried to make an off-site feature for DDOians...it was a great feature with a lot of potential. But, after a few weeks, almost no one used it. This is similarly true of the wiki.

Sh** I remember that. DDOFans or something?
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4/11/2016 6:55:34 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:38:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:50:41 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you do this without Juggle?

It will be external from the site. It won't be a feature of DDO, it will be on a separate site. Juggle isn't needed to be added in to the process.

So, you don't intend to use the on-site feature: http://blog.debate.org...

How will you get people to use/view the site? TUF tried to make an off-site feature for DDOians...it was a great feature with a lot of potential. But, after a few weeks, almost no one used it. This is similarly true of the wiki.

Sh** I remember that. DDOFans or something?

Yup. I was a moderator of that site for the 3 weeks or so it existed.
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4/11/2016 7:08:08 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:50:41 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:20:22 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you do this without Juggle?

It will be external from the site. It won't be a feature of DDO, it will be on a separate site. Juggle isn't needed to be added in to the process.

So, you don't intend to use the on-site feature: http://blog.debate.org...

If Wylted manages to establish communication with Juggle then yes, we will. If not then we will create a new one, unofficial though, like the wiki.

How will you get people to use/view the site?

We'll get airmax to sticky a thread with the link and an explanation of what the blog is.

TUF tried to make an off-site feature for DDOians...it was a great feature with a lot of potential. But, after a few weeks, almost no one used it. This is similarly true of the wiki.

With a thread stickied I am confident that more users will be aware of it's existence and will have access to it. Furthermore, given that it will be constantly updated with the latest news, drama as well as covering some major drama and videos from the past it will be used more often. If it doesn't work then it's up to Vox whether he wants to continue to do it, or make updates or do something else. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.
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4/11/2016 7:11:55 PM
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At 4/11/2016 7:08:08 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you get people to use/view the site?

We'll get airmax to sticky a thread with the link and an explanation of what the blog is.

No one pays attention to the stickies as-is. I doubt that would solve anything.

Furthermore, given that it will be constantly updated with the latest news, drama as well as covering some major drama and videos from the past it will be used more often.

How is this not already done? When drama happens on the site, people on the site discuss it. Why do we need a separate website for that...?

Basically, you want to create DDO's National Enquirer...

I am also skeptical that constant updates will foster activity. People need to look at the site first, and people need to stay interested. Why, if you experience the drama firsthand on DDO, would you then want to focus on the drama even more off-site?
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4/11/2016 7:19:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:11:55 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:08:08 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:21:27 PM, bsh1 wrote:
How will you get people to use/view the site?

We'll get airmax to sticky a thread with the link and an explanation of what the blog is.

No one pays attention to the stickies as-is. I doubt that would solve anything.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Is there any evidence supporting this claim? I'm sure that having a stickied thread with the link would be more helpful for users to find the blog than not having anywhere in which users can find the site. If it's stickied at least users who want to view it will have the link to it as opposed to users having no way to access it.

Furthermore, given that it will be constantly updated with the latest news, drama as well as covering some major drama and videos from the past it will be used more often.

How is this not already done? When drama happens on the site, people on the site discuss it. Why do we need a separate website for that...?

This is helpful for people to catch up on drama. Besides, drama isn't the only thing that the blog is for. If you recall what Wylted states in the OP he mentions things like the philochritos show, dramafarm, weekly stupid and Mikal's IDGAF too.

I am also skeptical that constant updates will foster activity. People need to look at the site first, and people need to stay interested. Why, if you experience the drama firsthand on DDO, would you then want to focus on the drama even more off-site?

The drama addition is for people to catch up if they've been online for a while or they don't have time to read a thread that it 200+ posts long to catch up on drama. It's all for other purposes too as I state above.
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4/11/2016 10:29:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.

http://ddo.wikia.com...

You could just to that if there are any others that arent on there. Regardless, having a location to access youtube videos has 0.00000000000001 helpfullness to ddo
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4/11/2016 10:33:03 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 10:29:20 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.

http://ddo.wikia.com...

You could just to that if there are any others that arent on there. Regardless, having a location to access youtube videos has 0.00000000000001 helpfullness to ddo

It isn't just that though. It keeps us up to date on current drama too.
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4/11/2016 10:36:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 10:33:03 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:29:20 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.

http://ddo.wikia.com...

You could just to that if there are any others that arent on there. Regardless, having a location to access youtube videos has 0.00000000000001 helpfullness to ddo

It isn't just that though. It keeps us up to date on current drama too.

The only thing mentioned in the OP was that he will collect the videos from youtube (weekly stupid episodes, etc.), and put them on the blog. Any other information (keeping us up to date on current drama) is completely new information that wasn't mentioned in the OP, youre leaking stuff to us.

Regardless, TUF is already going to be doing a podcast episodes series for that, which is lit. At least that president isn't being arrested and going to jail...
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4/11/2016 10:42:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 10:36:25 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:33:03 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:29:20 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.

http://ddo.wikia.com...

You could just to that if there are any others that arent on there. Regardless, having a location to access youtube videos has 0.00000000000001 helpfullness to ddo

It isn't just that though. It keeps us up to date on current drama too.

The only thing mentioned in the OP was that he will collect the videos from youtube (weekly stupid episodes, etc.), and put them on the blog. Any other information (keeping us up to date on current drama) is completely new information that wasn't mentioned in the OP, youre leaking stuff to us.

It's a blog. Of course it's going to talk about current things occurring on DDO. It would be a blog otherwise. Wylted was pointing out the additional features. For example if I said I was building a house and I listed everything in it you wouldn't ask the question: does it have a front door? That is basic knowledge all houses have a front door so that they can get inside. It's so obvious that nobody would think to mention it, which is what the case here is.

Regardless, TUF is already going to be doing a podcast episodes series for that, which is lit. At least that president isn't being arrested and going to jail...

Rosalie has been considering something similar for quite some time though we haven't hashed out the details yet.
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4/11/2016 11:26:29 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:13:06 AM, imabench wrote:
Im laughing because Wylted's strategy to get votes seems to revolve entirely around bringing voters into his administration

Someone pitch the question about why Wylted would need to be president for Vox to run the blog. Id love to see someone squirm as they try to answer that

lol all his voters ARE in the administration
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4/11/2016 11:55:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 10:42:05 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:36:25 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:33:03 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 10:29:20 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:57 AM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/10/2016 10:51:58 PM, Hayd wrote:
You guys do realize there is already a DDO wiki...

The wiki does not have videos and the other examples that Wylted listed they are very different and distinguishable.

http://ddo.wikia.com...

You could just to that if there are any others that arent on there. Regardless, having a location to access youtube videos has 0.00000000000001 helpfullness to ddo

It isn't just that though. It keeps us up to date on current drama too.

The only thing mentioned in the OP was that he will collect the videos from youtube (weekly stupid episodes, etc.), and put them on the blog. Any other information (keeping us up to date on current drama) is completely new information that wasn't mentioned in the OP, youre leaking stuff to us.

It's a blog. Of course it's going to talk about current things occurring on DDO. It would be a blog otherwise. Wylted was pointing out the additional features. For example if I said I was building a house and I listed everything in it you wouldn't ask the question: does it have a front door? That is basic knowledge all houses have a front door so that they can get inside. It's so obvious that nobody would think to mention it, which is what the case here is.

Lmao, I just didn't expect something so dumb. First of all, there's no reason to create another site for it, just do the "blog" as forum threads, like BoT does. Secondly, as bsh1, and basically everyone else said, we already see the drama on the site, and thirdly, the sole purpose/description of the blog was "to collect videos". People create blogs that are just compilations of videos. So given that the only description given was compliling youtube videos, its not far fetched to suggest that that is its purpose.

Regardless, TUF is already going to be doing a podcast episodes series for that, which is lit. At least that president isn't being arrested and going to jail...

Rosalie has been considering something similar for quite some time though we haven't hashed out the details yet.

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