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5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

Some accomplished judges who have the time should bring this back. The threads were very informative reads. I know some judges take problems with "criticizing" votes, but that really helps people to know what to do and what not to do while judging.
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5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

Some accomplished judges who have the time should bring this back. The threads were very informative reads. I know some judges take problems with "criticizing" votes, but that really helps people to know what to do and what not to do while judging.

I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.
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5/2/2016 3:49:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

That doesn't sound very nice. What is it, exactly?
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5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They've significantly contributed to my judging style.
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5/2/2016 3:50:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

Some accomplished judges who have the time should bring this back. The threads were very informative reads. I know some judges take problems with "criticizing" votes, but that really helps people to know what to do and what not to do while judging.

Didn't Bluesteel do that?

I agree. With as much complaining as there is about standards, it'd help to consistently give examples of what is unacceptable.
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5/2/2016 3:51:37 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:49:22 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

That doesn't sound very nice. What is it, exactly?

Someone takes an RFD (vote) that is bad and examines it and shows why it is bad. It helps others learn what *not* to do while voting.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
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5/2/2016 3:51:40 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
As long as a few people don't abuse it, I don't have a problem.
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5/2/2016 3:51:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

Why?
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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5/2/2016 3:52:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:51:40 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
As long as a few people don't abuse it, I don't have a problem.

Agree. It doesn't have to be belittling or mean. It can easily be constructive.
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
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5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They serve as platforms for people to deride and mock the "incompetence" of others, and serve to discourage some voters who get called out from voting.

We should be seeking to promote judging via positive regard and gentle pointers, not public shaming.

I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

They've significantly contributed to my judging style.

Not everyone is as logic and receptive to criticism as you, Tej.
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5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They serve as platforms for people to deride and mock the "incompetence" of others, and serve to discourage some voters who get called out from voting.

We should be seeking to promote judging via positive regard and gentle pointers, not public shaming.

I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

They've significantly contributed to my judging style.

Not everyone is as logic and receptive to criticism as you, Tej.

You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?
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5/2/2016 3:55:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:51:37 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:22 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

That doesn't sound very nice. What is it, exactly?

Someone takes an RFD (vote) that is bad and examines it and shows why it is bad. It helps others learn what *not* to do while voting.

Could there maybe be more than one RFD? It seems like it's calling out one voter as an epitome of a bad example, which I'm sure they won't appreciate, so more than one would solve that, maybe. Otherwise, I can see that it'll help others with voting, so I have no qualms outside of that.
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5/2/2016 3:56:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

This is fine. Judges and debaters can opt-out.
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5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.
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5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.

It's coming back
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5/2/2016 3:57:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They serve as platforms for people to deride and mock the "incompetence" of others, and serve to discourage some voters who get called out from voting.

In all honesty, if the vote is bad enough to make TRW, they shouldn't be voting anyways.

We should be seeking to promote judging via positive regard and gentle pointers, not public shaming.

It doesn't have to be public shaming...

I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

Too complicated.

They've significantly contributed to my judging style.

Not everyone is as logic and receptive to criticism as you, Tej.

And those who aren't won't be any more receptive when all they get is a gentle tap on the wrist, either.
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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5/2/2016 3:57:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.

It's coming back

I will say my goodbyes now then.
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5/2/2016 3:58:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:55:59 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:51:37 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:22 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

That doesn't sound very nice. What is it, exactly?

Someone takes an RFD (vote) that is bad and examines it and shows why it is bad. It helps others learn what *not* to do while voting.

Could there maybe be more than one RFD? It seems like it's calling out one voter as an epitome of a bad example, which I'm sure they won't appreciate, so more than one would solve that, maybe. Otherwise, I can see that it'll help others with voting, so I have no qualms outside of that.

Not a single vote.

Essentially, strong judges take a debate with a lot of votes, write a detailed RFD of that debate, and then analyze all the votes on that debate.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
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5/2/2016 3:58:28 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:55:59 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:51:37 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:22 AM, Opsianos wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

That doesn't sound very nice. What is it, exactly?

Someone takes an RFD (vote) that is bad and examines it and shows why it is bad. It helps others learn what *not* to do while voting.

Could there maybe be more than one RFD? It seems like it's calling out one voter as an epitome of a bad example, which I'm sure they won't appreciate, so more than one would solve that, maybe. Otherwise, I can see that it'll help others with voting, so I have no qualms outside of that.

I think it would have a couple, can't remember. It's been awhile.
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"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
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5/2/2016 3:59:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Lolol :D
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"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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5/2/2016 4:00:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:57:53 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.

It's coming back

I will say my goodbyes now then.

Lol, you'd leave over that?
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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5/2/2016 4:01:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Oh, all right then. I assumed that it was just one. I think, though, that it would be best if the judges who pick the RFD's to criticize would first ask the voters' consent to include their RFD's in the thread.
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5/2/2016 4:01:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:55:59 AM, Opsianos wrote:

The first link linked incorrectly, here's the correct one: http://www.debate.org...
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5/2/2016 4:02:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:57:51 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They serve as platforms for people to deride and mock the "incompetence" of others, and serve to discourage some voters who get called out from voting.

In all honesty, if the vote is bad enough to make TRW, they shouldn't be voting anyways.

That isn't how TRW's work. A TRW selects 1 debate and then reviews every vote on that debate. Some will be okay, some will be borderline, others will be bad.

Even if a voter is incompetent, they don't deserve to have that publicly announced like that...it is unnecessarily humiliating and degrading. The mods can remove their privileges and post comments on the debate, but calling people out in the forms is just wrong.

We should be seeking to promote judging via positive regard and gentle pointers, not public shaming.

It doesn't have to be public shaming...

That is EXACTLY what it is Cole. It is shaming for an educational purpose, but it is still shaming.

I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

Too complicated.

It is actually not complicated if people just PM the voters and the debaters to check. If both debaters agree, then you can review that debate...just skip any voter who objects.

So, it is not too complicated unless the reviewer is too lazy...in which case they shouldn't be doing the review to begin with.
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5/2/2016 4:02:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:01:21 AM, Opsianos wrote:
Oh, all right then. I assumed that it was just one. I think, though, that it would be best if the judges who pick the RFD's to criticize would first ask the voters' consent to include their RFD's in the thread.

Why is consent necessary, though? Chances are it'd already be reported and openly criticized in the comments.
"The right to 360 noscope noobs shall not be infringed!!!" -- tajshar2k
"So, to start off, I've never committed suicide." -- Vaarka
"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
"Hillary Clinton is not my favorite person ... and her campaign is as inspiring as a bowl of cottage cheese." -- YYW
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5/2/2016 4:05:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:00:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:57:53 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.

It's coming back

I will say my goodbyes now then.

Lol, you'd leave over that?

I would see them leave or I would leave. A community that decides that TWS is okay is a community that has decided that bullying is fine. That is the moment this community loses whatever worth it has for me.
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5/2/2016 4:06:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 3:47:25 AM, tejretics wrote:
TRW = "Terrible RFD of the Week"

Some accomplished judges who have the time should bring this back. The threads were very informative reads. I know some judges take problems with "criticizing" votes, but that really helps people to know what to do and what not to do while judging.

We're not doing this.
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5/2/2016 4:06:32 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:05:53 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 4:00:01 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:57:53 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:56:18 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:55:13 AM, thett3 wrote:
You really aren't going to be happy when The Weekly Stupid comes back, are you?

Anyone who revives that should be auto-banned for a month. Even if they bring it back as a joke.

It's coming back

I will say my goodbyes now then.

Lol, you'd leave over that?

I would see them leave or I would leave. A community that decides that TWS is okay is a community that has decided that bullying is fine. That is the moment this community loses whatever worth it has for me.

When u joined DDO TWS existed...
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
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5/2/2016 4:08:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:02:38 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:57:51 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:54:19 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:49:29 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 5/2/2016 3:47:58 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I strongly disagree that these should be permitted.

I think they have a net positive influence on judging in this site.

They serve as platforms for people to deride and mock the "incompetence" of others, and serve to discourage some voters who get called out from voting.

In all honesty, if the vote is bad enough to make TRW, they shouldn't be voting anyways.

That isn't how TRW's work. A TRW selects 1 debate and then reviews every vote on that debate. Some will be okay, some will be borderline, others will be bad.

But the debate is chosen BECAUSE it has to have a terrible RFD...

Even if a voter is incompetent, they don't deserve to have that publicly announced like that...it is unnecessarily humiliating and degrading. The mods can remove their privileges and post comments on the debate, but calling people out in the forms is just wrong.

It's highly constructive... The comments section publicizes the removal or bad vote anyways.

We should be seeking to promote judging via positive regard and gentle pointers, not public shaming.

It doesn't have to be public shaming...

That is EXACTLY what it is Cole. It is shaming for an educational purpose, but it is still shaming.

Then why moderate votes at all? That shames the persons voting ability. The thing is, a TRW gives more extensive feedback which would help the voter *MUCH* more than a pervasive comment that X vote doesn't meet Y criteria and thus is bad. That's much too vague to actually HELP the voter become better.

I would ONLY support this if debaters and voters could opt-out. Debaters should have the right to refuse their debate being reviewed, and voters should have the right to refuse being publicly mocked, critiqued, or otherwise spotlighted for their votes.

Too complicated.

It is actually not complicated if people just PM the voters and the debaters to check. If both debaters agree, then you can review that debate...just skip any voter who objects.

Nah, too complicated.

So, it is not too complicated unless the reviewer is too lazy...in which case they shouldn't be doing the review to begin with.

No, it's just a complicated process that's unnecessary.
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5/2/2016 4:09:28 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:02:46 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/2/2016 4:01:21 AM, Opsianos wrote:
Oh, all right then. I assumed that it was just one. I think, though, that it would be best if the judges who pick the RFD's to criticize would first ask the voters' consent to include their RFD's in the thread.

Why is consent necessary, though? Chances are it'd already be reported and openly criticized in the comments.

How many debates' comments sections do you read? How many times do you check the main forum?

Posting (rather limited remarks) in the comments section of a debate is like posting a business card on a noticeboard. Firstly, no one every reads noticeboards to begin with, and, secondly, there are some many different messages (aka debates) on the board that you cannot read them all.

Posting in the main forum in a thread people are sure to check out is like getting Obama to give the message in his SOTU address. It is a highly public affair.
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