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5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
I really didn't expect Rosalie to drop out, and I would not have left the site if I knew she was going to drop out of the race. With that being said, and me just finding out today that Rosalie has dropped out, so I decided to pop in and will not stick around long, most likely.

Imabench needs to openly discuss his platform a bit more, and definitely refine it to be more workable, but with that being said. Bench's ideals are so fresh and exciting that it is just what we need to shake up DDO. I could stick around a bit, but if I don't I will come back in time to actively work on getting Mr. Bench elected.

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5/15/2016 9:10:26 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
As far as all the programs people like sticking around, the people most passionate about those programs should run them, while president Bench works on getting his job done successfully.
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5/15/2016 1:49:52 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 1:37:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
Never mind. I read the insides of his "I am dropping out" thread...

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5/15/2016 4:10:14 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I really didn't expect Rosalie to drop out, and I would not have left the site if I knew she was going to drop out of the race. With that being said, and me just finding out today that Rosalie has dropped out, so I decided to pop in and will not stick around long, most likely.

Imabench needs to openly discuss his platform a bit more, and definitely refine it to be more workable, but with that being said. Bench's ideals are so fresh and exciting that it is just what we need to shake up DDO. I could stick around a bit, but if I don't I will come back in time to actively work on getting Mr. Bench elected.

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5/15/2016 4:12:02 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 1:49:52 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/15/2016 1:37:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
Never mind. I read the insides of his "I am dropping out" thread...

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5/15/2016 5:33:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Endorsing Imabench after the many, many threads of him attacking Rosalie personally? I think your just mad :)
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5/15/2016 5:35:30 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 4:12:02 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/15/2016 1:49:52 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 5/15/2016 1:37:23 PM, XLAV wrote:
Never mind. I read the insides of his "I am dropping out" thread...

xD

I thought the same thing lol.
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5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.
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5/15/2016 5:46:49 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

Amazingly this is only like the third weirdest thing that has happened in the election this week
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5/15/2016 5:48:35 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:33:36 PM, donald.keller wrote:
Endorsing Imabench after the many, many threads of him attacking Rosalie personally? I think you're* just mad :)
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5/15/2016 5:56:54 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:46:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

Amazingly this is only like the third weirdest thing that has happened in the election this week

I know... Even I had to speak up.

First, an abolitionist. Then, he became an insane Bsh-fan... Then attacked the crap out of Bsh, then left the candidacy to Rosalie... And we know how you and her went together... So now he's endorsing you to destroy the presidency.

He's like that guy playing monopoly, trying to win, then cheating to win, and when he still loses, tosses the board and files a lawsuit to ban monopoly from ever existing again.
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5/15/2016 6:01:52 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:56:54 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:46:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

Amazingly this is only like the third weirdest thing that has happened in the election this week

I know... Even I had to speak up.

First, an abolitionist. Then, he became an insane Bsh-fan... Then attacked the crap out of Bsh, then left the candidacy to Rosalie... And we know how you and her went together... So now he's endorsing you to destroy the presidency.

Plus the taking Bsh in as Co-VP that started this clusterf*ck of an election to begin with
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5/15/2016 6:31:05 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

If his ideal doesn't work we can vote the presidency back in. Imabench has done a ton for this site. He has put literally thousands of hours into entertaining DDOians which has resulted in a large retention of great members who would not be here without him.

He has personally stuck to his guns in every situation where he thought he had the moral high ground. Not many people can fight tooth and nail with Airmax like that while still keeping a good relationship with him. In fact Bench is so good at working with Airmax that he hasn't even been elected yet and has created policies for what will happen if he is elected.

Tuf/DK are the same thing as Bladerunner, BSH1 and Airmax. Boring humorless robots who cannot think outside the box (no offense). This site will remain the same under a DK/Tuf regime. The law of entropy will explain to you why this is bad. The presidency needs more energy inserted into it or it will descend in chaos.

The presidency is already dead, Bench is the only person with a plan that can salvage some of the good it has done in the past, and in effect he also has given the people a voice that are often ignored. He is good for noobs and ignored demographics.

I will talk to you in PM, but I encourage you to have a paradigm shift in your thoughts and vote for the best candidate.
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5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 5:56:54 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:46:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

Amazingly this is only like the third weirdest thing that has happened in the election this week

I know... Even I had to speak up.

First, an abolitionist. Then, he became an insane Bsh-fan... Then attacked the crap out of Bsh, then left the candidacy to Rosalie... And we know how you and her went together... So now he's endorsing you to destroy the presidency.

He's like that guy playing monopoly, trying to win, then cheating to win, and when he still loses, tosses the board and files a lawsuit to ban monopoly from ever existing again.

I have never endorsed abolitionism. The abolitionists voted me, because they thought I'd be too incompetent to even let the presidency matter.

It's kinda tough for me to be honest with you here also. This is the type of thing that is not okay from a leader. Bench is actually showing his genuine self. You however arevpretending to be above the petty nonsense, while making a show of in essence saying "I am not going to insult this jerk, because I am above it."

This whole making a show of standing above pettiness is extremely dishonest. Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.
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5/15/2016 6:41:33 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:31:05 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

If his ideal doesn't work we can vote the presidency back in. Imabench has done a ton for this site. He has put literally thousands of hours into entertaining DDOians which has resulted in a large retention of great members who would not be here without him.

So do you think that a full time, well known entertainer could become president of the US? The answer is probably no. Being president and being an entertainer / troll are two massively different things.

He has personally stuck to his guns in every situation where he thought he had the moral high ground. Not many people can fight tooth and nail with Airmax like that while still keeping a good relationship with him. In fact Bench is so good at working with Airmax that he hasn't even been elected yet and has created policies for what will happen if he is elected.

That's irrelevant as to whether or not you support him or not. If you are aware that somebody can communicate with airmax like this you shouldn't be instantly voting for them if your views clearly conflict with their policies.

Tuf/DK are the same thing as Bladerunner, BSH1 and Airmax. Boring humorless robots who cannot think outside the box (no offense). This site will remain the same under a DK/Tuf regime. The law of entropy will explain to you why this is bad. The presidency needs more energy inserted into it or it will descend in chaos.

I agree that the presidency needs energy but even you must agree that a presidency with little energy (in your opinion) is better than a presidency with no energy (ie. no president).

The presidency is already dead, Bench is the only person with a plan that can salvage some of the good it has done in the past, and in effect he also has given the people a voice that are often ignored. He is good for noobs and ignored demographics.

That's not something that you were arguing the last time you were online. You are neither a noob or an ignored demographic.

I will talk to you in PM, but I encourage you to have a paradigm shift in your thoughts and vote for the best candidate.

I strongly doubt that you could change my mind on this issue.
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5/15/2016 6:44:18 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls aren't showing this. Imabench is quite a lot lower than DK in the polls.
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5/15/2016 6:48:40 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:56:54 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:46:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 5/15/2016 5:45:58 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 9:08:04 AM, Wylted wrote:
I'm pretty shocked at this announcement. After you put so much effort into explaining the significance of a president and showing why abolishing is going to be a bad thing, endorsing imabench is something that I honestly didn't expect.

Amazingly this is only like the third weirdest thing that has happened in the election this week

I know... Even I had to speak up.

First, an abolitionist. Then, he became an insane Bsh-fan... Then attacked the crap out of Bsh, then left the candidacy to Rosalie... And we know how you and her went together... So now he's endorsing you to destroy the presidency.

He's like that guy playing monopoly, trying to win, then cheating to win, and when he still loses, tosses the board and files a lawsuit to ban monopoly from ever existing again.

I have never endorsed abolitionism. The abolitionists voted me, because they thought I'd be too incompetent to even let the presidency matter.

It's kinda tough for me to be honest with you here also. This is the type of thing that is not okay from a leader. Bench is actually showing his genuine self. You however arevpretending to be above the petty nonsense, while making a show of in essence saying "I am not going to insult this jerk, because I am above it."

I don't make any notion of being anything other than me. I have always been largely passive with people, while also being known to get aggressive. I stated we would avoid drama, not that I wouldn't state my opinion of someone.

This whole making a show of standing above pettiness is extremely dishonest. Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls disagree. Each one of them. And before you attack me as being fake, I'd like you to go and find one example of me saying "I won't give my honest opinion of someone." You are simply the first case of someone I had a negative thing to say about since the election. You are making up this idea of me that I gave you no reason to believe is real. I also challenge you to find a pre-election example of me being anything different from what I'm being now.

And I made fun of your highly inconsistent flip-flopping. I never called you a jerk, or any other name. Don't confuse being called out on your incredible inconsistency with being personally assaulted.
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5/15/2016 6:52:15 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
So do you think that a full time, well known entertainer could become president of the US? The answer is probably no. Being president and being an entertainer / troll are two massively different things.

Ronald Reagen did a good job, but this is also not the presidency of the United States, and I think it's silly to think only somebody with a stick up their asss can do a good job.

Time after time DDO only elects humorlous snobs who are completely incapable of thinking outside the box. I don't think the mere fact somevody is a humorlous snob should guve them a free pass to the presidency, despute the fact it has happened every election except the one where Mikal won.

He has personally stuck to his guns in every situation where he thought he had the moral high ground. Not many people can fight tooth and nail with Airmax like that while still keeping a good relationship with him. In fact Bench is so good at working with Airmax that he hasn't even been elected yet and has created policies for what will happen if he is elected.

That's irrelevant as to whether or not you support him or not. If you are aware that somebody can communicate with airmax like this you shouldn't be instantly voting for them if your views clearly conflict with their policies.

Bench's policies are not the ones I would push, but neither are the policies of DK/Tuf. Besides I think the potential upside is vetter with Bench, and there is pretty much no downside to either candidate.

Tuf/DK are the same thing as Bladerunner, BSH1 and Airmax. Boring humorless robots who cannot think outside the box (no offense). This site will remain the same under a DK/Tuf regime. The law of entropy will explain to you why this is bad. The presidency needs more energy inserted into it or it will descend in chaos.

I agree that the presidency needs energy but even you must agree that a presidency with little energy (in your opinion) is better than a presidency with no energy (ie. no president).

How would empowering the 300 active members of this site infuse less energy into policy making decision, than having 2 members be a dictatorship?

The presidency is already dead, Bench is the only person with a plan that can salvage some of the good it has done in the past, and in effect he also has given the people a voice that are often ignored. He is good for noobs and ignored demographics.

That's not something that you were arguing the last time you were online. You are neither a noob or an ignored demographic.

I was trying to win, I also have changed my mind as I often do.

I will talk to you in PM, but I encourage you to have a paradigm shift in your thoughts and vote for the best candidate.

I strongly doubt that you could change my mind on this issue.

Okay
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5/15/2016 6:56:15 PM
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I don't make any notion of being anything other than me. I have always been largely passive with people, while also being known to get aggressive. I stated we would avoid drama, not that I wouldn't state my opinion of someone.

Fair enough, you seem to have a facade of trying to look like you are above things, but I guess I was mistaken. Sorry.

This whole making a show of standing above pettiness is extremely dishonest. Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls disagree. Each one of them. And before you attack me as being fake, I'd like you to go and find one example of me saying "I won't give my honest opinion of someone." You are simply the first case of someone I had a negative thing to say about since the election. You are making up this idea of me that I gave you no reason to believe is real. I also challenge you to find a pre-election example of me being anything different from what I'm being now.

I concede.

And I made fun of your highly inconsistent flip-flopping. I never called you a jerk, or any other name. Don't confuse being called out on your incredible inconsistency with being personally assaulted.

Well, I'll also never deny being inconsistent. I never stop brainstorming and throwing out ideals. I just do it publicly instead of in my own head.
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5/15/2016 6:58:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:44:18 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls aren't showing this. Imabench is quite a lot lower than DK in the polls.

I am not even going to explain this for the millionth time. Imabench was being an idiot by gloating over polls before. I'm sure if he pulls back ahead, he'll idiotically think they mean something again.

You should know better though.
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5/15/2016 7:03:10 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:58:55 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:44:18 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls aren't showing this. Imabench is quite a lot lower than DK in the polls.

I am not even going to explain this for the millionth time. Imabench was being an idiot by gloating over polls before. I'm sure if he pulls back ahead, he'll idiotically think they mean something again.

This is exactly my point. Since imabench considers the polls as important and accurate it seems perfectly fine to mention when he is falling behind in them because when he isn't he seems to brag about it a lot. Furthermore, the polls are gaining more and more votes and are becoming more and more accurate.
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5/15/2016 7:06:49 PM
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At 5/15/2016 7:03:10 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:58:55 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:44:18 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 5/15/2016 6:38:50 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench will win, we will test his experiment out, and if we don't like the results you can be the president after him.

The polls aren't showing this. Imabench is quite a lot lower than DK in the polls.

I am not even going to explain this for the millionth time. Imabench was being an idiot by gloating over polls before. I'm sure if he pulls back ahead, he'll idiotically think they mean something again.

This is exactly my point. Since imabench considers the polls as important and accurate it seems perfectly fine to mention when he is falling behind in them because when he isn't he seems to brag about it a lot. Furthermore, the polls are gaining more and more votes and are becoming more and more accurate.

Not when I don't value the polls at all. I am endorsing Bench, not becoming a clone of him. I have a ton of good and bad things to say about both campaigns.
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5/15/2016 7:19:56 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 6:52:15 PM, Wylted wrote:
So do you think that a full time, well known entertainer could become president of the US? The answer is probably no. Being president and being an entertainer / troll are two massively different things.

Ronald Reagen did a good job, but this is also not the presidency of the United States, and I think it's silly to think only somebody with a stick up their asss can do a good job.

It's the same principle. You can't expect a troll to be president. Whether it's regarding the president of the US or the president of DDO.

Time after time DDO only elects humorlous snobs who are completely incapable of thinking outside the box. I don't think the mere fact somevody is a humorlous snob should guve them a free pass to the presidency, despute the fact it has happened every election except the one where Mikal won.

That's a completely subjective claim. I won't be able to change your subjective opinions because there's no way to objectively prove that a president is humorless, however I do disagree with you here.

That's irrelevant as to whether or not you support him or not. If you are aware that somebody can communicate with airmax like this you shouldn't be instantly voting for them if your views clearly conflict with their policies.

Bench's policies are not the ones I would push, but neither are the policies of DK/Tuf. Besides I think the potential upside is vetter with Bench, and there is pretty much no downside to either candidate.

There is a massive downside to voting bench. If the presidency is abolished then the outcome can be potentially drastic.

Tuf/DK are the same thing as Bladerunner, BSH1 and Airmax. Boring humorless robots who cannot think outside the box (no offense). This site will remain the same under a DK/Tuf regime. The law of entropy will explain to you why this is bad. The presidency needs more energy inserted into it or it will descend in chaos.

I agree that the presidency needs energy but even you must agree that a presidency with little energy (in your opinion) is better than a presidency with no energy (ie. no president).

How would empowering the 300 active members of this site infuse less energy into policy making decision, than having 2 members be a dictatorship?

It's hardly a dictatorship when the people in power are voted in, there are moderators that help to limit decisions and power and surveys/polls are formed to get the communities say in ideas. And btw, there are more than 2 people involved with the DK/TUF platform. DK and TUF are just the main people involved and have the most power.

The presidency is already dead, Bench is the only person with a plan that can salvage some of the good it has done in the past, and in effect he also has given the people a voice that are often ignored. He is good for noobs and ignored demographics.

That's not something that you were arguing the last time you were online. You are neither a noob or an ignored demographic.

I was trying to win, I also have changed my mind as I often do.

That's a very big change of your mind to switch from being strongly Pro presidency to Con presidency.

I will talk to you in PM, but I encourage you to have a paradigm shift in your thoughts and vote for the best candidate.

I strongly doubt that you could change my mind on this issue.

Okay
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5/15/2016 7:28:36 PM
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0-100, real quick.

Quite frankly, I find this very hypocritical,but amusing at the same time.
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5/15/2016 7:34:52 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
It's the same principle. You can't expect a troll to be president. Whether it's regarding the president of the US or the president of DDO.

Bench is not merely a troll. He is somebody who trolls, but he is also somebody who spends every bit of his time for 6 months to create an DDO movie and make practically everyobe feel good by name dropping a hundred different people.

Also, the concept is different. The president of the United States sets Americas foreign policy, so they literally have to choose who lives and dies in certain circumstances. DDO is just not that serious.


That's a completely subjective claim. I won't be able to change your subjective opinions because there's no way to objectively prove that a president is humorless, however I do disagree with you here.

This just requires a bit of common sense here. Clearly Bench has more of a sense of humor than his opponent. I don't think DK will deny that.



There is a massive downside to voting bench. If the presidency is abolished then the outcome can be potentially drastic.

That is a bare assertion. How about backing up that statement.

It's hardly a dictatorship when the people in power are voted in, there are moderators that help to limit decisions and power and surveys/polls are formed to get the communities say in ideas. And btw, there are more than 2 people involved with the DK/TUF platform. DK and TUF are just the main people involved and have the most power.

It's not 300 active members all working together to do something great though. It is a handful of their buddies and temporary allies. 300 active members clearly brings in more energy to a cause than 15.

Dictatorships can also be Democratic. Many pundits fear that America is headed for a Democratic dictatorship, because the executive branch keeps slowly gaining more power.

That's a very big change of your mind to switch from being strongly Pro presidency to Con presidency.

Bench's platform is not abolitionist. I am sure he thinks it will work that way in practice, but he will have to guide the policies a bit. Not create them, but be the voice of reason. A bit of maturity on his part would help, and hopefully he will grow into the role a bit, but isn't really neccessary.

I will talk to you in PM, but I encourage you to have a paradigm shift in your thoughts and vote for the best candidate.

I strongly doubt that you could change my mind on this issue.

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5/15/2016 7:36:16 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 7:28:36 PM, Rosalie wrote:
0-100, real quick.

Quite frankly, I find this very hypocritical,but amusing at the same time.

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5/15/2016 7:37:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 7:36:16 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 5/15/2016 7:28:36 PM, Rosalie wrote:
0-100, real quick.

Quite frankly, I find this very hypocritical,but amusing at the same time.

"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

To be conpleatly honest, I am quite glad you dropped out, because you would have been leading a false campaign.
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5/15/2016 7:45:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/15/2016 7:34:52 PM, Wylted wrote:
It's the same principle. You can't expect a troll to be president. Whether it's regarding the president of the US or the president of DDO.

Bench is not merely a troll. He is somebody who trolls, but he is also somebody who spends every bit of his time for 6 months to create an DDO movie and make practically everyobe feel good by name dropping a hundred different people.

Again, thing about this practically. Does the fact that somebody creates a good movie mean that they are fit to be elected for president?

Also, the concept is different. The president of the United States sets Americas foreign policy, so they literally have to choose who lives and dies in certain circumstances. DDO is just not that serious.

That's why I talked about this "in principle" not literally.

That's a completely subjective claim. I won't be able to change your subjective opinions because there's no way to objectively prove that a president is humorless, however I do disagree with you here.

This just requires a bit of common sense here. Clearly Bench has more of a sense of humor than his opponent. I don't think DK will deny that.

Fair enough, though you didn't just reference to a sense of humor. You also said that he has the greatest ability to think outside of the box because of this and this bit is the part that I was trying to reference.

There is a massive downside to voting bench. If the presidency is abolished then the outcome can be potentially drastic.

That is a bare assertion. How about backing up that statement.

People have said that they'll leave if bench is elected. The site will potentially lose many of it's organizations that help to run it (for example, the mentorship program).

It's hardly a dictatorship when the people in power are voted in, there are moderators that help to limit decisions and power and surveys/polls are formed to get the communities say in ideas. And btw, there are more than 2 people involved with the DK/TUF platform. DK and TUF are just the main people involved and have the most power.

It's not 300 active members all working together to do something great though. It is a handful of their buddies and temporary allies. 300 active members clearly brings in more energy to a cause than 15.

I strongly doubt that all 300 people will agree on issues. I doubt that all 300 people will care enough to vote on and agree on all issues. There will be massive complications regarding voting, obligation to run certain programs, etc. 15 volunteers have willing agreed to help out DK/TUF meaning that they are obliged to help keep the site running, keep contact with moderation, etc. There is no obligation if this decides to opt in to anarchism.

Dictatorships can also be Democratic. Many pundits fear that America is headed for a Democratic dictatorship, because the executive branch keeps slowly gaining more power.

I know. That's why I gave more than one reason other than it being democratic.

That's a very big change of your mind to switch from being strongly Pro presidency to Con presidency.

Bench's platform is not abolitionist. I am sure he thinks it will work that way in practice, but he will have to guide the policies a bit. Not create them, but be the voice of reason. A bit of maturity on his part would help, and hopefully he will grow into the role a bit, but isn't really neccessary.

He doesn't care about his conduct at all. In fact, in the multiple confrontations that we've had in the forums he's demonstrated a completely lack of respect for the site and for others. And when this is pointed out to him his response is simply that he won't be president, so whether or not he has good conduct is irrelevant.
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