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5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench
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5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.
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5/18/2016 12:26:33 AM
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I am not a happy camper.
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5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.
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5/18/2016 12:28:31 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
How does abolitionism solve for drama?
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5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.
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5/18/2016 12:31:52 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.
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5/18/2016 12:31:54 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

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5/18/2016 12:31:58 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:28:31 AM, SolonKR wrote:
How does abolitionism solve for drama?

It would be a much more effective solution if it weren't for the dumb DDO conventions.
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5/18/2016 12:33:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

This is all so incredibly stupid.

I agree the endorsement thread was stupid and in terribly poor judgement, and that the events and circumstances which were the result of bsh1's thread reflect, generally, on why the presidency should go away. Essentially, he threw gasoline on burning embers and then everybody acts like they're surprised when the natural and probable result unfolded. No one should be surprised.

I also am probably going to abstain from voting. The presidency has no legitimacy, which is why most are calling for the office's abolition. Even to vote for a president on the basis of the idea of abolishing the office is too ironic for me to swallow (and i've got some experience in swallowing hehehe). Even if a president is elected, I am totally indifferent to the whole enterprise. No one who is elected will be my president, and I don't give a fvck about what happens.
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5/18/2016 12:34:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:28:31 AM, SolonKR wrote:
How does abolitionism solve for drama?

Abolishing the presidency means that the people who currently bitch and moan about that, will have to find something else to bitch and moan about, which hopefully the site hasn't grown tired of.
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5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

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5/18/2016 12:37:34 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Presidency this, Presidency that, let's just switch to a Caliphate.
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5/18/2016 12:38:30 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

What did I miss? O_O
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5/18/2016 12:39:06 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

And you expect me to talk to you in private.
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5/18/2016 12:39:55 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:38:30 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

What did I miss? O_O

She diverted to me being Bsh's "attack dog" and I got angry.
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5/18/2016 12:40:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It turned into a war between 1harder and Rosalie, pushed forward by Imabench.

This is the problem with Abolitionist arguments... They are built into the fallacy that because they are arguing about the Presidency, the Presidency is to blame. Had this been the Conventions, and we were discussing one of many reforms/laws, it would have still became an argument... Or if we were talking about Voting Reform, or discussing apples.

In fact, had there been a Convention, there would be several separate arguments over individual Reforms and Proposals, at once, each as dramatic as an individual election. The facts are that this argument was separate people, each arguing about a PM with an odd origin. None of it is unique to the Presidency. In fact, most drama in the Elections is caused by Abolitionists helping to spark it. Be it Mikal at first, Wylted's fans second, or Imabench this time.
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5/18/2016 12:42:05 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:37:34 AM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Presidency this, Presidency that, let's just switch to a Caliphate.

No, a provisional a monarchy
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5/18/2016 12:43:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:39:55 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:38:30 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

What did I miss? O_O

She diverted to me being Bsh's "attack dog" and I got angry.

And you knew that bench was threatening me to drop out, yet you didn't say anything about it.
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5/18/2016 12:45:23 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:43:02 AM, Rosalie wrote:

And you knew that bench was threatening me to drop out,

Except I didnt :)

I only threatened you to not reveal the contents of the PM we had... I didnt need to threaten you to drop out because you were running such a pathetic campaign in the first place it was only a matter of time before you finally abort it.

yet you didn't say anything about it.

And neither did DK or anyone else who knew ;)
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5/18/2016 12:45:24 AM
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At 5/18/2016 12:43:02 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:39:55 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:38:30 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

What did I miss? O_O

She diverted to me being Bsh's "attack dog" and I got angry.

And you knew that bench was threatening me to drop out, yet you didn't say anything about it.

I have no sympathy for people who make vague threats and make things a public affair because they dont want to go the non-dramatic way of going to Max with discipline issues. Go to him before acting like everybody allowed it to happen.
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5/18/2016 12:49:24 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:40:49 AM, donald.keller wrote:

In fact, most drama in the Elections is caused by Abolitionists helping to spark it. Be it Mikal at first, Wylted's fans second, or Imabench this time.

There were drama in elections long before abolitionists ever came into the picture in the first place. Anyone remember the jimtimmy fiasco's? Hell I remember tampering with elections by having a 'vote airmaxx' stunt, and I wasnt even an abolitionist at the time.

Pinning all drama on abolitionists is the same as Democrats or Republicans trying to blame all the problems of the country on the other party, It may be true to some degree, but its not nearly as extensive as they paint it
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5/18/2016 12:49:31 AM
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At 5/18/2016 12:33:57 AM, YYW wrote:
No one who is elected will be my president, and I don't give a fvck about what happens.

This approach to abolitionism makes the most sense to me, honestly.
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5/18/2016 12:51:36 AM
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I'm pretty close to the edge.
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5/18/2016 12:56:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

As an Imabench supporter, I believe that this makes no sense.

First off, almost anything related to forums can be a catalyst for drama. An example: YYW's thread regarding RO's. Why remove the presidency JUST because it causes drama. That is not a good enough reason.

Secondly, while drama can cause harm to members, it really isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things. Most drama related incidents here remain strong for a day or two and then it dies out. Drama also cannot be evaded completely. If someone could prove that the presidency has worth and that its benefits supercede that of its down sides (as you claim, drama), then you have to try better. The presidency being useless is a good argument, drama is not.
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5/18/2016 12:59:17 AM
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At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

????
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5/18/2016 1:00:39 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:59:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

????

Because people accuse Harder of being your attack dog.
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5/18/2016 1:00:47 AM
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At 5/18/2016 12:51:36 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I'm pretty close to the edge.

Maybe you should just agree to disagree.
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5/18/2016 1:02:36 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Why don't you all put your quarrels aside and join Seventh and my glorious co-presidency? All strife will cease when we become one people, united in purpose and form.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it. Time in its deeps swims like a monstrous whale; and, like a whale, feeds on the littlest things -- small tunes and little unskilled songs of the olden, golden evenings -- and anon turneth whale-like to overthrow whole ships."
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5/18/2016 1:03:22 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 5/18/2016 12:59:17 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:35:46 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:31:27 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:28:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:26:09 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 5/18/2016 12:25:02 AM, thett3 wrote:
Bsh says "Aboltionism makes little sense to me". His thread endorsing Harder turns into a flame war involving every major candidate.

The symbolism of the current presidents endorsement turning into a multi candidate brawl is simply too perfect and shows how it's a toxic institution. I am right, everyone who disagrees is wrong. Vote imabench

It is a pretty toxic thread.

I don't really think so. There was obviously a lot of misunderstanding, which was resolved (sort of) in hangout, like I said, I am more than happy to do a private hangout with you, to discuss the issue to a more extent.

Shut up, you demented witch.

"You demented witch, attack her harder!" -bsh1

????

I had an argument with her in the Hangout.
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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