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zmikecuber
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5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.
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5/28/2016 10:33:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

i am lazy too, but the current president candidates are

-Harder/Solon/Hayd
-DK/Tuf
-imabench
-jimtimmy

that is pretty much it.
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5/28/2016 10:35:26 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

See my sig.
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5/28/2016 10:44:32 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:38:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench wants to build a wall and make DDO great again

Pretty sure imabench failed out of civil engineering and couldn't build a tower of blocks.
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5/28/2016 10:48:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

Official Platform - http://www.debate.org...
Voting Reform - http://www.debate.org...
Social/Entertainment - http://www.debate.org...
Elective Administration - http://www.debate.org...

General idea: Reform and redesign the Presidency away from public program leader, and more towards unique roles and jobs not filled by the community. Acting as Facebook Manager, Records Keeper, and Liaison with other sites we can collaberate with, as a few examples. As well as focus more on training members how to do X instead of forming an adminitrative group to do X ourselves.
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5/28/2016 10:48:52 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:48:12 PM, donald.keller wrote:
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

Official Platform - http://www.debate.org...
Voting Reform - http://www.debate.org...
Social/Entertainment - http://www.debate.org...
Elective Administration - http://www.debate.org...

General idea: Reform and redesign the Presidency away from public program leader, and more towards unique roles and jobs not filled by the community. Acting as Facebook Manager, Records Keeper, and Liaison with other sites we can collaberate with, as a few examples. As well as focus more on training members how to do X instead of forming an adminitrative group to do X ourselves.

Thank you
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5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac
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I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

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5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
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5/28/2016 11:26:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?

DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!!
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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5/28/2016 11:46:23 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

http://www.debate.org...
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5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...
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5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
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5/29/2016 1:36:37 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

http://www.debate.org...
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5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.
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5/29/2016 2:31:12 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

Follow the link on my sig for all the platforms.

Rainer did a candidate side by side I will be posting, but look for his thread
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5/29/2016 2:45:52 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
http://www.debate.org...
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7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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http://www.debate.org...

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5/29/2016 3:07:42 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:27:18 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
Someone give me a rundown on the current campaigns that are going on right now. If the people running want to link me to the place where they describe their campaign, that would be cool. I'm too lazy to find them myself.

Dont bother. just vote for me.
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5/29/2016 3:08:08 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

That might actually work.

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5/29/2016 3:11:52 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
As a immature big kid.
I'm a little disappointed about the inability to donkey vote.
The pure joy I get from drawing a phallus. And thinking about a vote counter opening up that voting slip and seeing it. You can't match it.
It's like bammmmmm. I'm grinning from ear to ear whilst committing the act.
I'm fully aware it's none of my business what you think about me. But before you swear or abuse me. I suggest you give it a go.
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5/30/2016 1:53:01 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?

http://www.debate.org...
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5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position. Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title. There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing. It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.
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5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position. Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title. There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing. It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

That is plausible, although with what you cited, I think that it may actually be too much responsibility for any one person to commit to over an indefinate period of time. I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities. That way responsibilities could be delegated to each role, and debates would be made a focus, as well as allowing members who seek a popular position, to have that role fulfilled.

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form, as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support. I'd really like tyo see the creative minds work together on this site rather than to try to compete so intensely. I do think it's possible with some encouragement.
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5/30/2016 4:07:36 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position. Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title. There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing. It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

That is plausible, although with what you cited, I think that it may actually be too much responsibility for any one person to commit to over an indefinate period of time.

To decide a minimum of 4 tie breakers a month with tournament debates as a priority, 6 debate rounds in the same period and a maximum of 12 changes of legislation in a year as too much? There has been an ongoing discussion on three topics in the last 6 months on policy: 1. Voting rules, level, quality and standards. 2. Moderation standards. 3. Whether or not to abolish the presidency. Other than these three issues, not much has been challenged or requested to be changed. So 12 as a max for changes how DDO is run is over shooting the mark on topics and not likely to be a burdensome to whoever wishes to assume the position. But activity in all forms as a DDOan on a consistent basis is the true challenge of the monarch to maintain position. He/she has to perform by example, a good thing.

I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities. That way responsibilities could be delegated to each role, and debates would be made a focus, as well as allowing members who seek a popular position, to have that role fulfilled.

Ideal, but individual platforms and priorities preclude this from occurring. As well as greatly complicating the multi-faceted aspects of getting everything covered in a dedicated manner. Too many things going on at the same time dilutes energy and interest in seeing things through.

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form, as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support. I'd really like tyo see the creative minds work together on this site rather than to try to compete so intensely. I do think it's possible with some encouragement.

Agreed, Rosalie has vested interest in the site and has something to bring to the table. Although there will be always someone who will dominate priorities which brings true cooperation and collaboration as wishful thinking.
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5/30/2016 11:55:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:07:36 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position.

They actually don't. Any person who frequently votes or debates on the site knows that it's easy to collect a large number of debates simply by spamming meaningless 1 round debates, and that it's easy to collect a large number of votes simply by voting on forfeited debates, which only requires people to leave an RFD consisting of 'ff' to count as a vote. A person with minimal effort could spam debates and votes to challenge the monarch while substantially decreasing the quality of debates and votes in the site in the process.

Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title.

Once someone is king they don't actually have to do any of those things if they only wanted to be able to call themselves king. Someone could spam to take the title, and then do none of the responsibilities that comes with being king since they never wanted to 'rule' as king, simply be able to claim they are king.

There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing.

Except none of that is true, since any idiot can simply spam their way to become king and wreak havoc on the site in the process.

It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

Literally all evidence and logic suggests that the exact opposite is true once you open your eyes a little

I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities.

Having a monarch and a president at the same time defeats the very purposes of having either a monarch or a president in the first place....

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form

All four platforms literally conflict with each other on the existence of the presidency itself. It would be impossible to fuse all 4 platforms together without creating some sort of clustef*ck scenario in the process

as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support.

The lack of support she received was due to no one in the site believing she was fit to have any official role on the site. Simply running doesn't mean someone deserves an official role in a presidency somewhere, especially when the presidency is already an almost-useless position in the first place, and when the VP is a completely useless position as well

Agreed, Rosalie has vested interest in the site and has something to bring to the table.

Except she doesn't. None of her ideas were original that also require having an official role in a presidency to implement, as anyone who read her garbage platform quickly figured out...
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
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5/30/2016 3:57:11 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 11:55:39 AM, imabench wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:07:36 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position.

They actually don't. Any person who frequently votes or debates on the site knows that it's easy to collect a large number of debates simply by spamming meaningless 1 round debates, and that it's easy to collect a large number of votes simply by voting on forfeited debates, which only requires people to leave an RFD consisting of 'ff' to count as a vote. A person with minimal effort could spam debates and votes to challenge the monarch while substantially decreasing the quality of debates and votes in the site in the process.

Let's examine the actual formula:

" (Dr/6 + Vr/24) * (T)^0.33 * (Dt/10 + Vt/100 + Ft/1000)^0.25

Dr = Actual rounds of debate (acceptance and forfeit rounds not included) in the last 2 months.

Vr = Actual round of debates voted on (acceptance and forfeit rounds not included) in the last 2 months.

T = Time you've been on DDO in years

Dt = Total Debates

Vt = Total Votes

Ft = Total Forum Posts

So let's take a purely hypothetical condition where we have 3 people who want to become monarch.

imabench - 4 debate rounds and 12 rounds of votes in the last 2 months.
geogeer - 9 debate rounds and 6 rounds of votes in the last 2 months.
tejretics - 12 debates rounds and 20 rounds of votes in the last 2 months.

imabench - (4/6 + 12/24) * (4)^0.33 * (600/10 + 1352/100 + 19655/1000)^0.25 = 5.75
geogeer - (9/6 + 6/24) *(2)^0.33 * (30/10 + 312/100 + 3392/1000)^0.25 = 3.87
tejretics - (12/6 + 20/24) * (1)^0.33 * (114/10 + 643/100 + 4339/1000)^0.25 = 6.14

So under this hypothetical circumstance tejretics would win the right to challenge."

I personally have more faith in the people of DDO that spamming their way to the top will not occur. It will certainly be seen by all and called out.

Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title.

Once someone is king they don't actually have to do any of those things if they only wanted to be able to call themselves king. Someone could spam to take the title, and then do none of the responsibilities that comes with being king since they never wanted to 'rule' as king, simply be able to claim they are king.

Not taking on the responsibilities would cause them to be voted out by 60% of the vote or to be challenged.

There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing.

Except none of that is true, since any idiot can simply spam their way to become king and wreak havoc on the site in the process.

Really wreak havoc! The most havoc we have around here is the occasional flame war. What kind of havoc could such a person do?

It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

Literally all evidence and logic suggests that the exact opposite is true once you open your eyes a little

If the popular people wish to put in the effort to become monarch there's nothing to stop them, they earned it, that's the point.

I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities.

Having a monarch and a president at the same time defeats the very purposes of having either a monarch or a president in the first place....

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form

All four platforms literally conflict with each other on the existence of the presidency itself. It would be impossible to fuse all 4 platforms together without creating some sort of clustef*ck scenario in the process

as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support.

The lack of support she received was due to no one in the site believing she was fit to have any official role on the site. Simply running doesn't mean someone deserves an official role in a presidency somewhere, especially when the presidency is already an almost-useless position in the first place, and when the VP is a completely useless position as well

Agreed, Rosalie has vested interest in the site and has something to bring to the table.

I see no issue with her running programs she has interest in that otherwise would be discontinued. No harm would come of it and they could become successful. Anyone on the site has the option to run unofficial programs if they choose, so what's the problem? Those who care about the site and make effort to make it better should not be discouraged.

Except she doesn't. None of her ideas were original that also require having an official role in a presidency to implement, as anyone who read her garbage platform quickly figured out...
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5/30/2016 4:08:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/28/2016 10:38:37 PM, Wylted wrote:
Imabench wants to build a wall and make DDO great again

He gets it. Follow the actions of success not failure.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/31/2016 6:08:21 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position. Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title. There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing. It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

That is plausible, although with what you cited, I think that it may actually be too much responsibility for any one person to commit to over an indefinate period of time.

The monarch actually has very little responsibility and has a term limit of 6 months and then cannot re-challenge for the next 3 challenges. The monarch also has the option of stepping down at each challenge period. This enable the person to not be locked in if their personal circumstances change.

I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities. That way responsibilities could be delegated to each role, and debates would be made a focus, as well as allowing members who seek a popular position, to have that role fulfilled.

It certainly could be done. Yet while I'm firmly of the opinion that the site requires a position that works towards community building I'm firmly of the opinion that the presidency is the wrong way to go about it. The presidency imposes on the site instead of letting organic growth develop. This is why it is best to create conditions that let this organic growth occur rather than impose it on people.

Now in general this is not a concern, but it can be under the presidential model. The alternative model I have created focuses on growth through participation and prevents the former from occurring.

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form, as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support. I'd really like tyo see the creative minds work together on this site rather than to try to compete so intensely.

It is a debate website - intense competition is what we do!

I do think it's possible with some encouragement.

Like anything aspects of each could be incorporated into one unified model, but then you would lose some advantage that each one provides at the same time. Compromise always results in some loss.
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5/31/2016 10:56:24 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/31/2016 6:08:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:18:45 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:19:53 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:22:41 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/29/2016 1:35:18 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/29/2016 12:17:43 AM, Emmarie wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:01:15 PM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 5/28/2016 11:00:13 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
ANARCHY! DOWN WITH THE PRESIDENCY!!! nac

What about NOTA?
These links should familiarize you with Georgeer's platform.
http://www.debate.org...
here is his YouTube page, about NOTA.
https://www.youtube.com...

Whats your opinions of his idea?
I love his idea, but realistically I don't think it will work in place of a presidency because leadership would change hands too quickly. I brought up the idea to DK, of incorporating Georgeer's idea about a debate king/queen, who would have power to decide a tie in debates and be challenged through a debate every month, into his platform - if DK were to win, and he thought it was possible :)

I'm in favor of abolishing the presidency, in general, but I don't think that it will stick with users on DDO.

I like NOTA as well, but I don't think there will be much turnover. If you look at the challenge formula, a challenger has to do some real work in debating and voting before challenging the monarch for his/her position. Also, whoever wishes to be the new monarch has to be willing to take on the position's few responsibilities, bring forth legislation to be voted on a bi-monthly basis via petitions brought forth by DDOans, vote on tournament tie debates, as well as continue to debate to hold the title. There are a limited number of people on the site that will put in the effort. They are likely to be the already frequent debaters who do have vested interest in DDO. This greatly limits contenders to only those who are competitive in debating, actively voting and also care about the site's success; that's not a bad thing. It will totally eliminates the popularity contest element. The process will develop quality debates that are sorely lacking and will push the real cream to the top.

That is plausible, although with what you cited, I think that it may actually be too much responsibility for any one person to commit to over an indefinate period of time.

The monarch actually has very little responsibility and has a term limit of 6 months and then cannot re-challenge for the next 3 challenges. The monarch also has the option of stepping down at each challenge period. This enable the person to not be locked in if their personal circumstances change.

I think that a solution could possibly be to combine the NOTA monarchy with a presidency, each having separate but equal roles and responsibilities. That way responsibilities could be delegated to each role, and debates would be made a focus, as well as allowing members who seek a popular position, to have that role fulfilled.

It certainly could be done. Yet while I'm firmly of the opinion that the site requires a position that works towards community building I'm firmly of the opinion that the presidency is the wrong way to go about it. The presidency imposes on the site instead of letting organic growth develop. This is why it is best to create conditions that let this organic growth occur rather than impose it on people.
In theory, I agree with your idea about allowing organic growth to occur, and to me the presidency seems self defeating at times. I do however, recognize many young people here, who seek a role on this site, and the recognition that comes with that role. The amount of writing from the candidates alone thus far is well thought out with good intentions. I wonder if there would be a way for candidates to take the election itself to a debate tournament style.

Let's say for instance you and Imabench would copy and paste main aspects of your platform on a 3 round debate, and DK and Harder would do the same. Winners would be chosen by voters and it would ensure that voters have read the platforms. The rules about the length of an RFD would need to be predetermined for all candidates. The winners of the first round would go on to a final debate between a pro presidency candidate as well as a abolitionist. And the process would repeat.

Or the first debates could be you against harder and DK against Imabench. This way it would be possible to have 2 abolitionists in the final tournament round, two pro presidentials, or one of each.

The reason that I'm still so undecided is that I really do believe that everyone involved in running for the presidency has something to offer and is sincere.

Now in general this is not a concern, but it can be under the presidential model. The alternative model I have created focuses on growth through participation and prevents the former from occurring.

I would see nothing wrong with incorporating all four of the platforms, in some way shape or form, as well as giving Rosalie an official role, since she was deterred from continuing her bid for the presidency because of a lack of support. I'd really like tyo see the creative minds work together on this site rather than to try to compete so intensely.

It is a debate website - intense competition is what we do!
To a degree, yes, but I also recognize that most members continue on this website for the relationships they build, especially with people who they don't necessarily agree with. The presidency offers an opportunity to work with others in a meaningful way to them.

I do think it's possible with some encouragement.

Like anything aspects of each could be incorporated into one unified model, but then you would lose some advantage that each one provides at the same time. Compromise always results in some loss.