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6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Why ain't we doing these anymore?
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6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back
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6/9/2016 7:20:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

why?
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6/9/2016 7:22:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

Be nice..
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6/9/2016 7:23:57 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I don't think this a good idea. There are people who genuinely try to cast good votes, and if they're selected for one of these idiotic bad rfd of the week, they'll become discouraged, and not want to vote. It's not nice.
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6/9/2016 7:25:09 PM
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I haven't any problem with TRW's provided that the critiques are tame, i.e., criticizing RFD's instead of the people writing those RFD's. But some people think, perhaps rightly so, that it discourages voting.
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6/9/2016 7:29:06 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:25:09 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
I haven't any problem with TRW's provided that the critiques are tame, i.e., criticizing RFD's instead of the people writing those RFD's. But some people think, perhaps rightly so, that it discourages voting.

I mean, why must it be publicized? The mod already sends out a PM to discuss their bad RFD's. I guess as long as the name isn't publicized. But, yet it would be, because you have to show what debate the RFD was casted on.
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6/9/2016 7:30:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:20:32 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

why?

I think that's the point Bluesteel stopped it.
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6/9/2016 7:32:15 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:29:06 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:25:09 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
I haven't any problem with TRW's provided that the critiques are tame, i.e., criticizing RFD's instead of the people writing those RFD's. But some people think, perhaps rightly so, that it discourages voting.

I mean, why must it be publicized? The mod already sends out a PM to discuss their bad RFD's. I guess as long as the name isn't publicized. But, yet it would be, because you have to show what debate the RFD was casted on.

Because the point of TRW's is to provide a substantive critique of the contents of those RFD's, not only for the benefit of the person writing them, but for any potential voter. In a sense, it's also a deterrent: I don't want people to feel shame, surely, but it is an incentive to put time and effort into RFD's, which debates who put time and effort into their arguments deserve.

Bluesteel did an excellent job with his TRW's, and I don't think anyone felt particularly shamed as a result. So did YYW and whiteflame. But they know better than I whether reinstating this is a good idea, and last I checked YYW is completely opposed, whiteflame has other things on his plate, and Bluesteel is busy having a life. So this won't happen, anyway.
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6/9/2016 7:41:15 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:29:06 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:25:09 PM, ResponsiblyIrresponsible wrote:
I haven't any problem with TRW's provided that the critiques are tame, i.e., criticizing RFD's instead of the people writing those RFD's. But some people think, perhaps rightly so, that it discourages voting.

I mean, why must it be publicized? The mod already sends out a PM to discuss their bad RFD's. I guess as long as the name isn't publicized. But, yet it would be, because you have to show what debate the RFD was casted on.

Another point: the goal of vote moderation, as I believe whiteflame said just the other day (unless I'm confusing him with someone else, in which case I apologize), is "minimum sufficiency." They're not looking for the best votes -- i.e., you don't have to consistently cast bladerunner-caliber ballots for your RFD's to be counted -- but votes that are just barely sufficient (which makes sense, btw). TRW's don't cover votes that were removed: by definition, the remaining votes must have been deemed "minimally sufficient" unless a few fell by the wayside. The degree of quality sought by TRW is in a whole other league to what moderation's standard.
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6/9/2016 7:46:00 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
In all seriousness, there are very few people who can say that their voting is so good to actual be able to do this and none of them actually want to do this.
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6/9/2016 7:53:28 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:20:32 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

why?

Because a few of your RFD's will undoubtedly be featured.
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6/9/2016 7:55:32 PM
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At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I personally think it would be more beneficial to highlight a good rfd than a bad one. In my experience it is easier to say... do it this way, here is a good example.. then to say... see here is a bad example.
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6/9/2016 7:57:13 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:22:45 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

Be nice..

I don't know of a nice way to tell someone they make bad RFD's. I know of a lot meaner ways to say it though.
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6/9/2016 8:04:59 PM
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At 6/9/2016 7:57:13 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:22:45 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

Be nice..

I don't know of a nice way to tell someone they make bad RFD's. I know of a lot meaner ways to say it though.

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6/9/2016 10:52:31 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
RFD's are a product of a delusional mind that thinks the real world cares about why people vote on things. Only in a sheltered and highly fascist environment can an RFD exist.
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6/9/2016 11:39:41 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:55:32 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I personally think it would be more beneficial to highlight a good rfd than a bad one. In my experience it is easier to say... do it this way, here is a good example.. then to say... see here is a bad example.
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6/10/2016 12:27:18 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I think there are a few reasons. Most of the people who can do them don't want to do them, and others are afraid to do them because they don't want to get it wrong and be called out.
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6/10/2016 2:05:16 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:20:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I am not sure your the guy who would want this to come back

Harsh words
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6/10/2016 2:46:53 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

Because the strict voting moderation standards are enough of a stick that you're beating voters with that it's really gratuitous to then want to also video tape it and put it on youtube so we can all laugh at them, too?
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6/10/2016 2:48:29 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/9/2016 7:55:32 PM, kasmic wrote:
At 6/9/2016 7:16:45 PM, fire_wings wrote:
Why ain't we doing these anymore?

I personally think it would be more beneficial to highlight a good rfd than a bad one. In my experience it is easier to say... do it this way, here is a good example.. then to say... see here is a bad example.

Sorry man, we're all out of carrots here. Just sticks.