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6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?
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6/27/2016 3:15:43 AM
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I'd say just telling someone to kill themselves doesn't warrant a ban, but literally every post I've ever made does.
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6/27/2016 3:16:31 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:15:43 AM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
I'd say just telling someone to kill themselves doesn't warrant a ban, but literally every post I've ever made does.

Oh I agree that telling someone to kill themselves shouldn't merit a ban, but as a point of comparison, it is vastly worse than anything I have ever done.
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6/27/2016 3:16:40 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

No, we don't have the right to not be offended. Regarding this in relation to DDO, we're on a fvcking debate site. People should be challenged. Calling out someone's stupidity should be encouraged. If one desires not to be offended, they should stay as far as they can from this site. Hell, everyone's going to be offended whether they're on the site or not.

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?
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6/27/2016 3:19:36 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

No.
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6/27/2016 3:25:33 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Isn't it sad that we've come to this point... it's pathetic. And it's not even Max's fault; he's just the instrument of very bad pressure coming from very bad and toxic members who endeavor to influence him.
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6/27/2016 3:25:36 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 3:16:31 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:15:43 AM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
I'd say just telling someone to kill themselves doesn't warrant a ban, but literally every post I've ever made does.

Oh I agree that telling someone to kill themselves shouldn't merit a ban, but as a point of comparison, it is vastly worse than anything I have ever done.

And why not?!
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6/27/2016 3:26:49 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:15:43 AM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
I'd say just telling someone to kill themselves doesn't warrant a ban, but literally every post I've ever made does.

Why doesn't it?
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6/27/2016 3:31:59 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

Oh I've been called worse (harrytruman) insulted via religion and sexuality (peterssmith) and banned from saying things about one person. No ban.
That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Calls for suicide warrant being banned
Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

Short answer, no
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6/27/2016 3:32:46 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:31:59 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

Oh I've been called worse (harrytruman) insulted via religion and sexuality (peterssmith) and banned from saying things about one person. No ban.
That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Calls for suicide warrant being banned
Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

Short answer, no

Oh I completely agree.
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6/27/2016 3:36:41 AM
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No, but that's encompassing of actual debate, not personal attacks.
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6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.
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6/27/2016 4:13:57 AM
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6/27/2016 4:14:32 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.

That's honestly their fault if they want to mess up their life over a few rude statements.
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6/27/2016 4:19:20 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 4:14:32 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.

That's honestly their fault if they want to mess up their life over a few rude statements.

Cyberbullying someone to the point of suicide can result in a murder charge. You may feel that way, but it's still a Federal offense.
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6/27/2016 4:22:09 AM
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My complete opinion, DDO is a website is where people come and vent and relax. Some people vent here since they can't go and take it out on people in work or school. People also come here to get away from reality. They do this so they can be their true self here and take off the mask they wear in real life. Sometimes these things clash and that's just a fact of DDO.
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6/27/2016 4:23:25 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 4:19:20 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:14:32 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.

That's honestly their fault if they want to mess up their life over a few rude statements.

Cyberbullying someone to the point of suicide can result in a murder charge. You may feel that way, but it's still a Federal offense.

That's just BS, anybody who kills themselves over words is too emotionally weak to live. This sort of law is just a violation of the first Consititutional amendment.
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6/27/2016 4:32:21 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 4:23:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:19:20 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:14:32 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.

That's honestly their fault if they want to mess up their life over a few rude statements.

Cyberbullying someone to the point of suicide can result in a murder charge. You may feel that way, but it's still a Federal offense.

That's just BS, anybody who kills themselves over words is too emotionally weak to live. This sort of law is just a violation of the first Consititutional amendment.

I have no idea why you are making this a political issue. There are many things I could say and then we'd go back and forth on the subject, but I'm not going to derail this thread on such a matter.
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6/27/2016 4:38:54 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 4:32:21 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:23:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:19:20 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:14:32 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 6/27/2016 4:03:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

The general statements don't warrent it, but if you do it enough that drives them to perform self harm, that's ban worthy.

That's honestly their fault if they want to mess up their life over a few rude statements.

Cyberbullying someone to the point of suicide can result in a murder charge. You may feel that way, but it's still a Federal offense.

That's just BS, anybody who kills themselves over words is too emotionally weak to live. This sort of law is just a violation of the first Consititutional amendment.

I have no idea why you are making this a political issue. There are many things I could say and then we'd go back and forth on the subject, but I'm not going to derail this thread on such a matter.

I was only stating that people committing self harm over some words is an undesirable, and thus it makes no sense to ban people from telling another to kill themselves on the website. You have brought up the federal law on suiciding over online words, so I was obligated to reply.
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6/27/2016 5:02:32 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

I don't think people have a right to not be offended. However, I think that if you're going to ban somebody who called somebody else an idiot, the banning shouldn't be because it hurt the other person's feelings, but because it was rude to call them an idiot. Do you know what I mean? I mean whether you calling me an idiot makes me feel bad or not depends on how thick my skin is. The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not. But you calling me an idiot is something YOU do; and it's rude. It's the rudeness I would think would deserve a ban, not the hurt feelings of somebody else.

With that said, I don't know whether this particular crime merits being banned or not. I guess it depends on what the rules of the site are. If there are not rules, and if the question is open about whether there should be such a rule, I definitely think calling people idiots ought to be discouraged, but I'm not sure how that ought to be enforced.
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6/27/2016 9:49:03 PM
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At 6/27/2016 3:32:46 AM, YYW wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:31:59 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

Oh I've been called worse (harrytruman) insulted via religion and sexuality (peterssmith) and banned from saying things about one person. No ban.
That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Calls for suicide warrant being banned
Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

Short answer, no

Oh I completely agree.

Okay
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6/28/2016 1:54:09 AM
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At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

Note, we're not talking about doing things like telling people that they should kill themselves (conduct that the site president has engaged in). No, we're talking about just your garden variety calling people "idiots" or "stupid".

Is that enough? Does that justify banning someone?

NO and where ever they got the idea that they have such a right came from a politically correct liberal progressive. They think everything they can think of is a civil right.
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6/28/2016 2:36:33 AM
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Show me where it says people don't have a right to not be offended in the Constitution.

Hint: you can't.
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6/28/2016 12:54:54 PM
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My opinion is that there is no such thing as a right not to be offended, but there is such a thing as a responsibility not to offend intentionally.
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6/28/2016 12:55:48 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 5:02:32 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

I don't think people have a right to not be offended. However, I think that if you're going to ban somebody who called somebody else an idiot, the banning shouldn't be because it hurt the other person's feelings, but because it was rude to call them an idiot. Do you know what I mean? I mean whether you calling me an idiot makes me feel bad or not depends on how thick my skin is. The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not. But you calling me an idiot is something YOU do; and it's rude. It's the rudeness I would think would deserve a ban, not the hurt feelings of somebody else.
+1
With that said, I don't know whether this particular crime merits being banned or not. I guess it depends on what the rules of the site are. If there are not rules, and if the question is open about whether there should be such a rule, I definitely think calling people idiots ought to be discouraged, but I'm not sure how that ought to be enforced.
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6/28/2016 1:03:26 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/27/2016 5:02:32 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

I don't think people have a right to not be offended. However, I think that if you're going to ban somebody who called somebody else an idiot, the banning shouldn't be because it hurt the other person's feelings, but because it was rude to call them an idiot. Do you know what I mean? I mean whether you calling me an idiot makes me feel bad or not depends on how thick my skin is. The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not. But you calling me an idiot is something YOU do; and it's rude. It's the rudeness I would think would deserve a ban, not the hurt feelings of somebody else.

With that said, I don't know whether this particular crime merits being banned or not. I guess it depends on what the rules of the site are. If there are not rules, and if the question is open about whether there should be such a rule, I definitely think calling people idiots ought to be discouraged, but I'm not sure how that ought to be enforced.

I like the sentiment here, but it roughs afoul of two things.

1. Who decides what is rude. Rudeness itself is subjective. You present a world of thick and thin skinned people, but one also of objective rudeness, wherein the thick skinned people recognize rudeness but aren't offended by it. While that certainly happens, this ignores the very real cases of people disagreeing on what is or is not rude, which can depend on things like history and context and even things mods cannot judge, like the personal relationship between the participants.

2. "The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not." But that is exactly what determines who gets banned. The mods simply do not have the time or the man power to be proactive. They can only respond to complaints and the only ones who are going to complain are the thin skinned. By the time a situation comes to the attention of a mod, they're already getting a skewed version of events in favor of the offended.
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6/29/2016 6:17:50 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/28/2016 1:03:26 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 6/27/2016 5:02:32 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

I don't think people have a right to not be offended. However, I think that if you're going to ban somebody who called somebody else an idiot, the banning shouldn't be because it hurt the other person's feelings, but because it was rude to call them an idiot. Do you know what I mean? I mean whether you calling me an idiot makes me feel bad or not depends on how thick my skin is. The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not. But you calling me an idiot is something YOU do; and it's rude. It's the rudeness I would think would deserve a ban, not the hurt feelings of somebody else.

With that said, I don't know whether this particular crime merits being banned or not. I guess it depends on what the rules of the site are. If there are not rules, and if the question is open about whether there should be such a rule, I definitely think calling people idiots ought to be discouraged, but I'm not sure how that ought to be enforced.

I like the sentiment here, but it roughs afoul of two things.

1. Who decides what is rude. Rudeness itself is subjective.

Strictly speaking, the taste of bacon is also subjective, but there is enough of a consensus that all reasonable people can agree that bacon is delicious. I think the same thing is true of rudeness. While there might be disputable cases here and there, most of us have an agreement of what common decency and good manners entails. As for me, I trust Airmax to use his own good sense and judgment to make these decisions. That's why I think he should be the sovereign ruler of DDO and not a mere elected official.
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6/29/2016 7:31:42 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/29/2016 6:17:50 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/28/2016 1:03:26 PM, TheGreatAndPowerful wrote:
At 6/27/2016 5:02:32 AM, philochristos wrote:
At 6/27/2016 3:09:36 AM, YYW wrote:
Do people have a right not to be offended as may justify banning people for calling other people "idiots" or "stupid"?

That is the question of the hour. What say you?

I don't think people have a right to not be offended. However, I think that if you're going to ban somebody who called somebody else an idiot, the banning shouldn't be because it hurt the other person's feelings, but because it was rude to call them an idiot. Do you know what I mean? I mean whether you calling me an idiot makes me feel bad or not depends on how thick my skin is. The thickness of my skin shouldn't determine whether you get banned or not. But you calling me an idiot is something YOU do; and it's rude. It's the rudeness I would think would deserve a ban, not the hurt feelings of somebody else.

With that said, I don't know whether this particular crime merits being banned or not. I guess it depends on what the rules of the site are. If there are not rules, and if the question is open about whether there should be such a rule, I definitely think calling people idiots ought to be discouraged, but I'm not sure how that ought to be enforced.

I like the sentiment here, but it roughs afoul of two things.

1. Who decides what is rude. Rudeness itself is subjective.

Strictly speaking, the taste of bacon is also subjective, but there is enough of a consensus that all reasonable people can agree that bacon is delicious. I think the same thing is true of rudeness. While there might be disputable cases here and there, most of us have an agreement of what common decency and good manners entails. As for me, I trust Airmax to use his own good sense and judgment to make these decisions. That's why I think he should be the sovereign ruler of DDO and not a mere elected official.

Oh. I thought you were being serious.