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7/2/2016 6:46:29 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
First of all, I suggest reading (or re-reading) the Campaign Comparisons (http://www.debate.org...), it's way better than any endoresement thread for any candidate, and it cannot be said to be unfair as it was written in conjuction with the candidates themselves.

In short: I've been a pretty consistent Imabench supporter each election he's been an option, even voting one ticket due to him being VP on it. This support has not changed, but the DK/TUF ticket offers hope in a way imabench no longer does. If nothing improves, I'll gladly vote to #BenchThePrez next election.

Giving each of them a fair shake (quotes from each candidate's main campaign post), and posting in reverse order of polled popularity (underdog first, front runner last)...
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7/2/2016 6:50:35 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Harder: His goals directly conflict.
"The [presidency] has functioned as a community builder." A role he disagrees with: "I am not here to run a campaign of mere status quo, or community building. My main goal if elected is to redefine the Presidency," "I want to move the focus of the Presidency from community building to a more moderation-centric position..." "but I think that there will be a lack of community building if the Presidency is removed."

He wants to redefine the presidency away from community building, but his argument for it continuing to exist is because of precisely that.

Further he fabricated drama against another candidate, and claimed that the candidate working with community members interested in running programs is by extension creating co-VP's each time (something to which is he is extremely opposed), but he plans the same: "I plan on involving everyone who is willing to send me a PM and talk to me in my actions as President," please note he is also opposed to PMs, but outright asks for them. So was he just upset that said member did not message him about their ideas? If his own actions were described to him with the name of another candidate attached, he'd almost certainly launch petulant insults.

When asked he is outright unable to point to any leadership experience on this site (nor has he since requested any amendments to the comparison chart, in case he simply forgot something).

The redeeming factor to his campaign is quite simply Hayd speaking for him so often. However Hayd is not running as president (as much as by Harder's logic Hayd is at least a co-vice-president), I'll outright say Hayd would be a fine choice as president, but right now it feels like Hayd is having to perform a reverse Strawman (shall we say Golem of a case?), constructing a real case against the actual speaker's sabotage of it, exemplified pretty well by Harder's lack of articulation in his opinions of his competition: "never read it," "BS," "Lol."

Let me repeat that, Harder wants to be president, but has such low respect for other site members to not so much as skim their campaign threads enough to form real opinions. I really don't trust the people he mentions here: "People usually tell me I'm mature beyond my years."
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7/2/2016 6:53:10 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
NOTA: His main idea could just be run as a tournament, regardless of other happenings.
"I propose to abolish the DDO Presidency and replace it with a Monarchy! However, it is not a monarchy in the sense of ruling, but more as a titular head who serves the community, with very limited powers." On the surface he's talking about renaming the presidency, but he does go deeper than that, deeper basically into Airmax territory, who is unquestionably already and will continue to be the site monarch. However monarchs are defined by ruling, and NOTA doesn't want the monarch to be that, just have that title. If the title in no way fits the job, and it's a brand new position, please call it something appropriate (First Knight maybe?).

The rest of the suggestion he could just launch without involvement in this election, for example opening a DDO Knightly Tournament series, advertised with tie-breaking votes. If people like the idea, they'll attempt the single combat (debates) to try to gain the title for themselves (running this would also give him the experience needed, should he ever want to seriously run for president). Granted, "[a monarch vote] will settle the issue for the debaters." I don't think a vote from anyone settles debates for many who lose debates, particularly those who lose badly (personally I consider myself to have lost a debate, just from one very good vote against me; even if according to the system I won, I learned more from that vote than every vote in my favor).

Something I will say in favor of NOTA, is he is without a doubt the most eloquent candidate.
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7/2/2016 6:58:09 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
imabench: A mostly good proposal, which will not result in the stated absolutist intent.
"...wouldn't result in the presidency is eliminated, because some dingus will just announce that they are running for president in the next election after that." Replace the word "election" with "convention" and you have the outcome. Further they'll probably use the inevitable convention drama to "raise some hell and [resume] the presidency!"

Not to claim his stated method to win is causing "really nasty drama," but his own words on the matter are "raise some hell." True to his word, in election discussions he's often resorting to negative campaigning.

The convention idea seems rather similar to something DK already started doing recently. There was a rather common issue of lazy forfeited round voting; he got the site to vote on changing the standard, we live with and enjoy the change (http://www.debate.org...). DK did it without being president, so why do we need imabench to be president to do more or less the same thing?

Finially imabench's proposed system and the presidency in no way conflict (even he admits this http://www.debate.org...), and using the Presidential Comparison thread as an example of good organization, the "conventions" would almost certainly be better with an elected official ensuring it is well organized (I mean beyond just "make the actual convention thread when the time to vote on proposed reforms arrives," Airmax works hard for us, we should consider details in setup that avoid needless extra burden on him).

IMO the Convention idea is great, but it should be done as a sub-vote this election to implement it regardless of who becomes president this time. It's not like the "conventions" will ever not be the "election," since someone will be running for the presidency every time during it.
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7/2/2016 7:01:07 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
DK: Hope through increased democracy.
To begin he respects the general population of this site. Rather than expect every member to cherish every word he posted anywhere, he included at the top of his platform is a link for an abbreviated version of it (http://www.debate.org...). His plans for voting reform, is literally community lead votes on the issue (avoiding the weird surprises that hit before). His plans for various issues that rise up, is community selected officiants as often or as rarely as needed. His proactive plan of pulling in more members through social media outreach are very inclusive to new members, which seems a lot better than waiting for new people to arrive and pampering them in the hopes that they stay (admittedly more users does equal more drama, but it also means more users to debate with; and if we're not having debates why are we even on this debate site?).

Secondly their longstanding record of leadership and accomplishment here (how many of us have gotten quality votes not just from DK, but as an extension of his efforts via the Voters Union?), shows that the combined DK/TUF ticket is the best of the best, they even want to spend real money on their goals for this site. I am actually unsure why anyone who bothers to be active here wouldn't offer them his or her blessing in the endeavor (they're not asking for anyone else's money to do it).

Regarding abolition, I am aware of two sides to it.
1, that the president is the boogey-man, why just today I saw a complaint that the president snuck in during the night and devoured someone's debate (note: the president is not the vote moderator, nor the site administrator who actually deletes debates and such); this is fallacious, the president is more of the guy we elect to speak up for our interests to keep those other two guys accountable. Getting rid of the presidency, would consolidate power away from the general population of the site.
Or 2, the presidency is simply meaningless, yet if so what's the harm in giving DK a chance to show meaning in it? The worst possible outcome would be having been mistaken on it being meaningless. I am not convinced fear of being wrong is a good reason to vote against any candidate. But as previously stated, if the DK Presidency fails to improve things, I'll be the first to vote for imabench next time. However right now it feels premature to try to abolish the presidency, especially when we have a couple highly capable and motivated people (DK & TUF) wanting to put in the work to use it as a tool to better our site experience.
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7/4/2016 12:39:27 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Sorry... I'm camping so it takes a while to camp.

Thanks for the kind words Ragnar. You've done a lot of work, alongside Lannan and TBR, this election. So I'm glad to have your endorsement :)
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7/5/2016 6:50:58 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/4/2016 12:39:27 AM, donald.keller wrote:
Sorry... I'm camping so it takes a while to camp.

Thanks for the kind words Ragnar. You've done a lot of work, alongside Lannan and TBR, this election. So I'm glad to have your endorsement :)

You're welcome. I'm mostly just glad my review of the campaigns were well reasoned enough to (thus far) generate no disagreement.
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7/5/2016 8:16:25 AM
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@your last line on me

I read all of DK's and Imabench's threads (as well as Wylted and Rosalie's threads before they dropped) before you did the comparisons. The only one I hadn't read then was Geo's, and I didn't/don't respect DK's campaign - but I felt there was an easy way to sum up my thoughts (as I did) rather than give a long response in such an indirectly shot manner.
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7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM
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I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.
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7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM
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At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Three days, and that is the best defense you could come up with? You're asking everyone to trust your abilities as leader for a six-month commitment, when you offer zero experience in lesser leadership roles. You outright admit to disrespecting (as opposed to disagreeing with, or thinking you could do better) the proposals of other members, going as far as to not consider them all worth reading.

Please explain how lack of leadership, and lack of respect for your follow site members are markers of a good president?
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7/5/2016 4:58:18 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Okay, this response you just gave me was anger inducing.

Three days, and that is the best defense you could come up with?

If I saw it three days ago, I would have responded to it three days ago. I actually responded to you on the spot but it was four in the fvcking morning.

You're asking everyone to trust your abilities as leader for a six-month commitment, when you offer zero experience in lesser leadership roles.

I haven't held any titles, but I couldn't give a crap about a stupid title. I want an opportunity to run my ideas - if you want experience for outreach, I had a lot of experience on the outside of the "in-group" here. If anyone really knows how to keep members, it'd be me.

You outright admit to disrespecting (as opposed to disagreeing with, or thinking you could do better) the proposals of other members, going as far as to not consider them all worth reading.

I respected DK early on. Now I don't - sh!t happens, but how can you insinuate I don't read his threads? Have I not been the most common response to them?

And sure, I didn't read Geo's - but I thought he was trolling until about a day before the campaign comparisons ran. That said, I don't disrespect Geo. I was probably the quickest to agree to debate him, I suggested to Imabench that he should debate Geo, and I like him just fine as a member.

Please explain how lack of leadership, and lack of respect for your follow site members are markers of a good president?

I respect a lot of people here. Hell, I respect just about every member in the abolition camp. It's people who I think are taking advantage of other people and doing dirty sh!t that I start having problems with.

You tell me - go ahead and say I wouldn't make a good President, but you don't want to get me passionate about something if you're on the other side.
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7/5/2016 5:12:10 PM
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At 7/2/2016 6:50:35 AM, Ragnar wrote:
Harder: His goals directly conflict.
"The [presidency] has functioned as a community builder." A role he disagrees with: "I am not here to run a campaign of mere status quo, or community building. My main goal if elected is to redefine the Presidency," "I want to move the focus of the Presidency from community building to a more moderation-centric position..." "but I think that there will be a lack of community building if the Presidency is removed."

He wants to redefine the presidency away from community building, but his argument for it continuing to exist is because of precisely that.

Yes, I want to "redefine the Presidency." But tell me - since when does "redefine" mean "burn everything and don't do anything the same" instead of "adding meaning to something that may have lost some of it"?

Further he fabricated drama against another candidate, and claimed that the candidate working with community members interested in running programs is by extension creating co-VP's each time (something to which is he is extremely opposed),

Here is where your mistakes start. Yes, I think DK creates co-VPs (and TUF might as well be a co-President). However, I take more issue with the below (though I also take issue with the fabricating drama, but it's useless to talk about it by now).

but he plans the same: "I plan on involving everyone who is willing to send me a PM and talk to me in my actions as President," please note he is also opposed to PMs, but outright asks for them.

I don't think you really understand. Like, at all. I don't know where the hell I became "opposed" to PMs. Unless you can find a campaign point where I called for abolishing PMs as a portion of the site, I think you need to re-read...everything.

I want people to PM me to indicate that they want to be active in something. I want them to PM me if they have a suggestion for something I'm doing as President. I don't want to delegate entire programs to other people. The President of something of such a small scale ought to be active in everything, not just something anyone could take 5 minutes to do, and delegate the mod issues to his VP, and all community building to the users.

So was he just upset that said member did not message him about their ideas? If his own actions were described to him with the name of another candidate attached, he'd almost certainly launch petulant insults.

I outright don't know what you're talking about here. If this is about the drama with Rosalie, I would think you didn't even read about it.

When asked he is outright unable to point to any leadership experience on this site (nor has he since requested any amendments to the comparison chart, in case he simply forgot something).

I didn't think my leadership titles were very important, nor have I really done anything to be in awe of. I'm being honest in not giving bullsh!t positions that weren't very hard to do, but you could fault me for that too.

The redeeming factor to his campaign is quite simply Hayd speaking for him so often. However Hayd is not running as president (as much as by Harder's logic Hayd is at least a co-vice-president), I'll outright say Hayd would be a fine choice as president, but right now it feels like Hayd is having to perform a reverse Strawman (shall we say Golem of a case?), constructing a real case against the actual speaker's sabotage of it, exemplified pretty well by Harder's lack of articulation in his opinions of his competition: "never read it," "BS," "Lol."

Hayd is helping me run the outreach and I would hope that if I'm elected we can phase out the older mentoring program and replace it with mine. He's a chief of staff and won't be running several programs - he'll be helping with one.
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7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM
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Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?
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7/5/2016 6:42:17 PM
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At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

The president is a community leader, seperate from the moderators (such separations are pretty common, like in the USA there's both a president and supreme court judges). There is an election coming up this weekend, but you'll be unable to vote until next election because...
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7/5/2016 7:24:11 PM
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At 7/5/2016 4:58:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Okay, this response you just gave me was anger inducing.

Complaining that you are angry that you receive criticism, undermines your claims of maturity.

Three days, and that is the best defense you could come up with?

If I saw it three days ago, I would have responded to it three days ago. I actually responded to you on the spot but it was four in the fvcking morning.

Needless profanity. Again feeding the points about your petulantance.

You're asking everyone to trust your abilities as leader for a six-month commitment, when you offer zero experience in lesser leadership roles.

I haven't held any titles, but I couldn't give a crap about a stupid title. I want an opportunity to run my ideas - if you want experience for outreach, I had a lot of experience on the outside of the "in-group" here. If anyone really knows how to keep members, it'd be me.

1. There is leadership outside of titles. Just look at imabench getting the HoF going, or DK's reform of the voting standards.
2. Please read your own statement. "I want an opportunity to run my ideas," something that as per point 1, does not require any titles, and you just said: you don't care about titles. If you don't care about titles as claimed, why are you trying so hard to get one?
3. Your claim of a lot of experience, is without pointing to any experience. The only thing you actually claimed is a lack of experience on the site. And this zero experience somehow makes you the most qualified for member retention. It's like claiming zero experience or training at something, is the best qualification for a skilled labor job.

You outright admit to disrespecting (as opposed to disagreeing with, or thinking you could do better) the proposals of other members, going as far as to not consider them all worth reading.

I respected DK early on. Now I don't - sh!t happens, but how can you insinuate I don't read his threads? Have I not been the most common response to them?

1. With your disrespect of DK, do you mean him and his efforts to get debates voted on in general terms, or just his campaign? If just his campaign, please point out a post you made "early on" this election that shows that respect.
2. That your memory has difficulty holding the difference between DK and NOTA, is really sad. DK is the guy whose campaign you couldn't think of anything positive or negative to say about, but summarized all his ideas to: "BS" and "Lol." NOTA is the campaign who you did not bother to read, hence my easily understood statement "You outright admit to disrespecting the proposals of other members, going as far as to not consider them all worth reading."

And sure, I didn't read Geo's - but I thought he was trolling until about a day before the campaign comparisons ran. That said, I don't disrespect Geo. I was probably the quickest to agree to debate him, I suggested to Imabench that he should debate Geo, and I like him just fine as a member.

Please explain how lack of leadership, and lack of respect for your follow site members are markers of a good president?

I respect a lot of people here. Hell, I respect just about every member in the abolition camp. It's people who I think are taking advantage of other people and doing dirty sh!t that I start having problems with.

What dirty excrement? Right now you're doing blind pathos appeals to set yourself up as the defender of the little man against evil, without explaining what that evil is, in essence at attempt at "taking advantage of other people and doing dirty sh!t."

You tell me - go ahead and say I wouldn't make a good President, but you don't want to get me passionate about something if you're on the other side.

You would not make a good president. Telling me I don't want to be on the other side of your passions, only further supports that you're far too immature.
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7/5/2016 7:27:21 PM
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At 7/5/2016 7:24:11 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:58:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Okay, this response you just gave me was anger inducing.

Complaining that you are angry that you receive criticism, undermines your claims of maturity.

No, it's the sheer volume of BS you spewed at me that showed you didn't read, didn't understand what you read, or read and you just want to make a shitshow out of this. Goodbye.
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7/5/2016 7:27:54 PM
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At 7/5/2016 7:21:24 PM, Romanii wrote:
nobody cares

Did you read this? Am I crazy or something?
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7/5/2016 7:32:53 PM
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At 7/5/2016 7:27:21 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 7:24:11 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:58:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Okay, this response you just gave me was anger inducing.

Complaining that you are angry that you receive criticism, undermines your claims of maturity.

No, it's the sheer volume of BS you spewed at me that showed you didn't read, didn't understand what you read, or read and you just want to make a shitshow out of this. Goodbye.

Everyone... This is the maturity level of the want-to-be-president. Thoughtless profanity and Ad Hominem attacks; as if that makes a case for him, when his own words are shown to be directly counter to it.
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7/5/2016 7:57:51 PM
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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that what Ragnar is doing here is actually really clever, and that he doesn't actually want to keep the presidency around
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7/5/2016 8:03:05 PM
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At 7/5/2016 6:42:17 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

The president is a community leader, seperate from the moderators (such separations are pretty common, like in the USA there's both a president and supreme court judges). There is an election coming up this weekend, but you'll be unable to vote until next election because...
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- 500 posts AND 50 poll or opinion topics/questions that haven't been deleted by mods

What does a community leader do?
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7/5/2016 10:30:55 PM
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At 7/5/2016 7:57:51 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that what Ragnar is doing here is actually really clever, and that he doesn't actually want to keep the presidency around

Yeah, it's SUPER obvious. Try to be more subtle, man.
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7/5/2016 10:40:21 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 7:32:53 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 7:27:21 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 7:24:11 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:58:18 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 7/5/2016 4:19:05 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 8:17:54 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I also just don't think you understood everything that was said, but I don't feel like dealing with it at 4:00 AM.

Okay, this response you just gave me was anger inducing.

Complaining that you are angry that you receive criticism, undermines your claims of maturity.

No, it's the sheer volume of BS you spewed at me that showed you didn't read, didn't understand what you read, or read and you just want to make a shitshow out of this. Goodbye.

Everyone... This is the maturity level of the want-to-be-president. Thoughtless profanity and Ad Hominem attacks;

Thats MY strategy, GET YOUR OWN
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7/5/2016 10:44:04 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 7:57:51 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that what Ragnar is doing here is actually really clever, and that he doesn't actually want to keep the presidency around

It's good to know that we have such nimble navigators on our side, at least.
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7/5/2016 11:03:04 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 8:03:05 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 7/5/2016 6:42:17 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

The president is a community leader, seperate from the moderators (such separations are pretty common, like in the USA there's both a president and supreme court judges). There is an election coming up this weekend, but you'll be unable to vote until next election because...
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Not much. Its part of the reason im running to abolish the position and replace it with a direct-democracy system
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7/6/2016 1:20:34 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 8:03:05 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 7/5/2016 6:42:17 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

The president is a community leader, seperate from the moderators (such separations are pretty common, like in the USA there's both a president and supreme court judges). There is an election coming up this weekend, but you'll be unable to vote until next election because...
At 7/4/2016 7:25:51 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
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What does a community leader do?

He unifies a number of volunteers to accomplish a number of community-oriented goals. Like when everyone wanted Team Debates, and Juggle wasn't responding. The Presidency worked to make it happen. Although people found out they didn't want to have to work with a team.

He is an organizer of community events like the beginners tournament, and the HoF. But most of what he does depends on what his platform is. For example, my platform would put him in charge of managing the FB page, and working with other sites to collaborate.
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7/6/2016 2:44:50 AM
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At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

We have both.
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7/6/2016 3:04:39 AM
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At 7/5/2016 7:57:51 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that what Ragnar is doing here is actually really clever, and that he doesn't actually want to keep the presidency around

Interesting hypotheses, I'm sure looking at my actions from some particular angle it could be supported.

The truth is what I openly presented: I think both DK and Bench are good options. To me the ideal election would be between them without any third party distractions. This election (unlike previous ones), I am casting my support behind someone else more so than imabench.

As should be clear to everyone by now, if imabench wins, than the very first "convention" will have people running for president (and possibly assorted other titles, like Geo's "Monarch"), and I've outlined why the conventions would be better with some officiant other than Airmax (I happen to think selecting that person is best done through democracy).

Granted if I were against the presidency, and thought it's assured to be useless, than getting the best possible team in office makes a lot of sense, since if they can't make it beneficial then it would prove that it should end. Thus faith in either the presidency, or faith in abolition (save for those who think the president in the boogey-man) equals someone should vote DK/TUF.
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7/6/2016 3:10:44 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/5/2016 8:03:05 PM, Semiya wrote:
At 7/5/2016 6:42:17 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 5:20:04 PM, Semiya wrote:
Presidents? I thought we had a moderator. So what's this about presidents? Are there elections?

The president is a community leader, seperate from the moderators (such separations are pretty common, like in the USA there's both a president and supreme court judges). There is an election coming up this weekend, but you'll be unable to vote until next election because...
At 7/4/2016 7:25:51 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
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What does a community leader do?

Let's just say that they go through a lot of Vaseline and tissues.
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7/6/2016 3:18:31 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/6/2016 3:04:39 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 7/5/2016 7:57:51 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that what Ragnar is doing here is actually really clever, and that he doesn't actually want to keep the presidency around

Interesting hypotheses, I'm sure looking at my actions from some particular angle it could be supported.

The truth is what I openly presented: I think both DK and Bench are good options. To me the ideal election would be between them without any third party distractions. This election (unlike previous ones), I am casting my support behind someone else more so than imabench.

As should be clear to everyone by now, if imabench wins, than the very first "convention" will have people running for president (and possibly assorted other titles, like Geo's "Monarch")

Actually im working on a small amendment to Convention rules to prevent that which would make it so that people can only propose switching to a different form of government, not proposing that they themselves head a new form of government.... Airmax is open to a Purge idea, so im fairly confident he'd agree to this rule as well, I just need to work a few more kinks out

and I've outlined why the conventions would be better with some officiant other than Airmax (I happen to think selecting that person is best done through democracy).

Granted if I were against the presidency, and thought it's assured to be useless, than getting the best possible team in office makes a lot of sense, since if they can't make it beneficial then it would prove that it should end. Thus faith in either the presidency, or faith in abolition (save for those who think the president in the boogey-man) equals someone should vote DK/TUF.
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