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7/6/2016 1:44:02 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
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Since I am next on the tournament sign-up list, I will post my tournament now. Ideally, I am looking for between 8 and 12 participants, but will move ahead with 6 and will cap it at 16.

The basic premise of this tournament is that it will use topics that are not frequently debated on this site. Topics like abortion, gay marriage, and gun control have been virtually beaten to death, and injecting some variety should be fun for everyone. After all, it is the spice of life.

I have included here a suggested topics list. You are not required to use those topics (see below for details). Some of these topics are similar, because I wanted to give a variety of wordings to choose from; some are not similar at all. Some of those topics are somewhat common, and others may have never been debated.

If you're interested, please sign-up!

Rules


This will be a single-elimination tournament. All competitors will be seeded based on their ELO, to generate high-low pairings along a bracket. Once you're seeded into the bracket, your position will be fixed, and you will progress along the bracket until eliminated.

Once a round begins (a round begins when I post the thread for that round in this forum) you will have 5 days to pick a topic. You may choose from a topic on the list below, or you may create a topic yourself, in conjunction with your opponent. You and your opponent must agree on a topic. If you create one yourselves, you must submit this topic to me for approval, so that I can gauge whether it is sufficiently unique for inclusion in this tournament; my decision will be based exclusively on my own judgement. If you fail to get my pre-approval and start the debate anyway, I will not count your debate on that topic as part of the tournament. If you select one of the 65 listed topics, you do not need my pre-approval to move ahead with your debate.

You may not repeat a topic already used in the tournament. Topics are taken on a "first-come, first-served" basis, so once you have selected a topic, post it in the round-specific thread I will create to claim that topic for your debate.

If you fail to agree on a topic within the 5 days, I will assign you a topic and a side, and designate an instigator. You must then start (start means send and accept the challenge) the debate within 72 hours. Failure of the instigator to start the debate on the assigned topic, or of the contender to accept the topic, will result in an automatic win for the other party.

Debates must have at least 3 rounds of debating (acceptance rounds are not "debating") and must have at least 7,000 characters allotted per round. Voting periods should not be below 1 week, and should not exceed 2 weeks. After 2 weeks have passed, I will assess the victor irrespective of whether voting has or has not closed.

The winner will be the person who advances successfully to the end of the bracket. I may or may not host a 3rd place round depending on the level of interest expressed by the contestants in question.

Eligibility

You must have at least 2,500 ELO and have completed a minimum of 10 debates (across multiple accounts or on just one account) in order to be eligible to participate. The ELO minimum is negotiable, and I am willing to make exceptions in that regard. I am not willing, however, to forgo the 10 debate requirement.

Sign-ups will be open until July the 13th, at some yet to be determined hour. I will try to give at least 4 hours notice before closing the sign-up sheet. To sign-up, just add your name to the list.
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7/6/2016 1:44:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
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1. On balance, the European Union has benefited its member states.
2. The global rise of nativism ought to be embraced rather than condemned.
3. Lawmakers ought to be salaried.
4. On balance, and if forced to choose, voters should support candidates who they believe will act ethically over candidates who they believe will act effectively.
5. The USFG ought to prioritize the development of clean energy over continuing support for traditional energy sources.
6. Humanity should aspire to know everything which it is possible to know.
7. Art ought, in large part, to be publicly funded.
8. Reporting restrictions designed to protect the privacy of the accused are a justified restriction on free speech.
9. Adultery is nearly always immoral.
10. The primary objective of education is to prepare students for a job.
11. The United States should fully submit to the jurisdiction of one or more of these: the International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the Permanent Court of Arbitration, or the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.
12. The US should significantly diminish its involvement in NATO.
13. Political correctness is harming the West's ability to combat terrorism.
14. Two or more of these nations ought to vote to leave the European Union: the Netherlands, France, Denmark, Greece, Italy, or Sweden.
15. In the U.S. primary voting system, caucuses ought to be abolished.
16. The U.S. Presidential election cycle is significantly too long.
17. On balance, twitter has had a negative impact on human communication.
18. Collective Punishment is just.
19. Hate speech should always be permitted.
20. In the U.S., states ought to impose statutes of limitations on felony crimes.
21. The USFG should spy on its close foreign allies.
22. Egoism is ethical.
23. The U.S. will be the world's most powerful country at the end of this century.
24. In the U.S., elections ought to be administered by the USFG.
25. There should be term limits for SCOTUS Justices.
26. When in conflict, property rights ought to be valued above liberty.
27. On balance, civil Asset Forfeiture should be illegal.
28. For individuals in developed countries, recycling is a moral obligation.
29. The development of space travel should be primarily entrusted to private corporations.
30. The U.S. should implement a policy of containment with regards to China.
31. The USFG should reinstate the Glass- Steagall Act.
32. Had the Roman Empire won the Battle of Teutoburg Forest, its lifespan would likely have significantly increased.
33. If forced to choose, people ought to prioritize their national identity above their common humanity.
34. Large companies in the developed world ought to provide paid maternity leave to their employees.
35. The EU will likely attain superpower status in the next 100 years.
36. U.S. primary elections should be held simultaneously.
37. It would have been preferable to have ratified the Equal Rights Amendment.
38. Citizenship ought to be for sale.
39. The USFG should regain its capacity to launch manned missions to space from US territory by 2050.
40. The Santa Claus myth is a net benefit to families.
41. The world should not seek, in the next 75 years, to establish colonies on planets in our solar system.
42. In general, the U.S. began as a Christian nation.
43. Turing Pharmaceuticals' decision to substantially increase the price of Daraprim was ethical.
44. It is in Beijing's long-term interest to surrender its claim to the Spratly Islands.
45. The French government's ban on Burqas is morally permissible.
46. The US should arm the Kurds.
47. The UN is, on balance, an institution worth retaining.
48. Plurality voting systems are superior to majority voting systems.
49. Societies should emphasize protecting multiculturalism over encouraging assimilation.
50. Pacific democracies should form a Indo-Pacific version of NATO.
51. It is better to be a pessimist than an optimist.
52. African countries should seek to rapidly reduce their reliance on Chinese investment.
53. NATO should seek to expand.
54. An ascetic life model is superior to a materialistic one.
55. Socialism is best achieved by the State.
56. Humans ought to include "beauty" among those values which societies ought to promote.
57. Open primaries are superior to closed primaries.
58. Humanity's best days lie ahead of it.
59. Freedom of choice is more valuable than freedom against harm.
60. The US ought to introduce military conscription.
61. Europe's humanitarian duties towards the refugees outweigh its perceived national security interests.
62. Major polluters ought to offer asylum to climate change refugees.
63. Obama's executive actions regarding illegal immigration should be deemed Constitutional.
64. Humanity's tendency towards commodification of things ought to be resisted.
65. The Brexit referendum will likely result in a domino effect of "-exits" throughout the European Union.

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7/6/2016 1:49:15 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/6/2016 1:44:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:

Hey Bsh1, would you be free to organize a rap tournament?
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7/6/2016 1:50:15 PM
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At 7/6/2016 1:49:15 PM, Roukezian wrote:
At 7/6/2016 1:44:22 PM, bsh1 wrote:

Hey Bsh1, would you be free to organize a rap tournament?

Thread in here: http://www.debate.org...
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7/6/2016 2:31:57 PM
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/in
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7/6/2016 2:47:32 PM
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7/6/2016 3:01:26 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Great idea, bsh. I love the concept of debating unique (or less popular) topics.

My ish with this proposal is having a 1-round elimination which I think is problematic.
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7/6/2016 3:44:33 PM
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At 7/6/2016 2:47:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
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7/6/2016 3:45:17 PM
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At 7/6/2016 3:01:26 PM, Danielle wrote:
My ish with this proposal is having a 1-round elimination which I think is problematic.

I understand your concerns, but the reason tournaments have one-round elimination is it's impossible to sustain, say, a double-elimination or round-robin bracket on the site. The tournament just goes inactive.
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7/6/2016 4:03:24 PM
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At 7/6/2016 3:45:17 PM, tejretics wrote:
I understand your concerns, but the reason tournaments have one-round elimination is it's impossible to sustain, say, a double-elimination or round-robin bracket on the site. The tournament just goes inactive.

It seems feasible if the tournaments are limited to 10-12 players. I dunno what round robin is, but I don't think I would participate in a single-elimination tournament which is just my personal preference.

I've noticed that when people think you are ranked high (or whatever) there is some kind of subconscious tendency to want to knock you down a peg. I think in the instance of a tournament especially, judges want to favor the underdog and might judge against a close debate with that in mind. It's less likely to happen twice or be problematic under double elimination.

I also think it's just more fair and accurate in terms of quality, but again, it's my personal preference.
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7/6/2016 4:55:53 PM
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7/6/2016 5:58:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/6/2016 4:03:24 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/6/2016 3:45:17 PM, tejretics wrote:
I understand your concerns, but the reason tournaments have one-round elimination is it's impossible to sustain, say, a double-elimination or round-robin bracket on the site. The tournament just goes inactive.

It seems feasible if the tournaments are limited to 10-12 players. I dunno what round robin is, but I don't think I would participate in a single-elimination tournament which is just my personal preference.

It is not feasible. Single elimination tournaments already have high drop-out rates and can drag on for weeks. Consider that, if everything ran on time, it could take 37 days just to complete the first round of the tournament (5 days to pick topics, 18 days for debating (6 speeches with 3 days to post), and 14 days for voting). If everything continued to run on time, the entire tournament would take 3 months to finish. It is extremely hard to sustain interest over that long a period of time. The more rounds that are added to the equation, the greater probability that people will just quit or forfeit, and the greater the risk for delays. Also, double elimination tournaments are usually down-bracketed, so even in them, one loss will prevent you from winning overall. The best you could do with a single loss is 3rd place in such a scenario.

Regardless, I would really hope that you would consider this tournament even if its not double elimination, because double elimination tournaments are few and far between on DDO, and because tournaments are almost always fun. I think if you're waiting for a double elimination thing, it may not materialize.

On a different note, a round robin is a tournament where everyone debates everyone else. So, for instance, this:

A vs. B
A vs. C
A vs. D
B vs. C
B vs. D
C vs. D

The winner is the person with the best record at the end. Ties are usually resolved via tie-breaking debates.

I've noticed that when people think you are ranked high (or whatever) there is some kind of subconscious tendency to want to knock you down a peg. I think in the instance of a tournament especially, judges want to favor the underdog and might judge against a close debate with that in mind. It's less likely to happen twice or be problematic under double elimination.

I don't really think this is a common issue, from my personal experience hosting.
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7/6/2016 6:01:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/6/2016 3:01:26 PM, Danielle wrote:
Great idea, bsh. I love the concept of debating unique (or less popular) topics.

Thanks. I appreciate that.
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7/6/2016 6:03:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
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7/6/2016 6:07:59 PM
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@Fire, no troll topics, por favor.
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7/6/2016 6:28:40 PM
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At 7/6/2016 6:03:33 PM, bsh1 wrote:
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7/6/2016 6:36:48 PM
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At 7/6/2016 6:01:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:

Thanks for the explanation, bsh. I've participated in one tournament on DDO, the very first one (Phil gave a cash prize) and it DID, in fact, take 9 months to complete. However there were a lot of participants to start -- a few dozen if I remember correctly. Anyway, in that tournament, both topics and positions were assigned. That definitely made it a lot harder, but you could really see who the strong debaters were (I'm not advocating that for your tourney btw). But maybe we can change it to 3 days to pick a topic (instead of 5)? Also, I probably haven't thought about it in depth as you have, but I'm surprised to learn that 1 loss means you win 3rd place or less. In the double elimination tournament we did here, I'm pretty sure everyone but the winner had at least 1 loss. But I dunno. Even so, that doesn't seem problematic. If someone has 0-1 losses they deserve to win second place over someone with 2 losses.
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7/6/2016 7:08:59 PM
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Topic one is just one of those odd ones. Everyone agrees it has benefited its member states. Even the people who voted leave 100% agree with that but left cause that is more benefit
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7/6/2016 7:15:10 PM
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At 7/6/2016 6:36:48 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/6/2016 6:01:31 PM, bsh1 wrote:

Also, I probably haven't thought about it in depth as you have, but I'm surprised to learn that 1 loss means you win 3rd place or less. In the double elimination tournament we did here, I'm pretty sure everyone but the winner had at least 1 loss. But I dunno. Even so, that doesn't seem problematic. If someone has 0-1 losses they deserve to win second place over someone with 2 losses.

What I mean is that a double- or multiple-elimination tournaments often take one of three forms:

A. I'll call this one an Endurance system. Everyone debates until they've lost twice. This is kind of like a round robin in that you could wind up debating everyone (conceivably debating some multiple times), but unlike a round robin you would be eliminated as soon as you accrued two losses. This kind of a tournament can take awhile to finish, because it is possible that no one will be eliminated for some time.

B. The Up/Down Bracket system. An "up" bracket is a bracket that contains only those contestants who have not lost yet. Everyone starts on the up bracket, and continues to progress along it as long as they keep winning. The winner of the "up" bracket is the winner of the tournament, and the runner-up there takes second. If you lose on the up bracket, you are bumped to the secondary "down" bracket, which contains only those who have lost 1 round, and which continues to power pair people (high against low). A loss on the "down" bracket eliminates you from the tournament. The winner of the down bracket takes 3rd place; that is why I said that someone who loses once can usually only make 3rd place. This system essentially runs two parallel brackets based on the results of the first round.

C. The Preliminary system. In this tournament, you have a set number of preliminary rounds which are all non-elimination. Based on the results of these, you advance a smaller group of remaining contestants to instant elimination rounds, usually in the form of a bracket. Good performers in the initial rounds thus get advanced past the preliminary stages; usually, in my experience, but not necessarily, people who have lost only once in the preliminary stage make the cut for the instant elimination stage.
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7/6/2016 7:21:39 PM
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At 7/6/2016 6:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
@Fire, no troll topics, por favor.

Like you can't do topics like, "I am a ______"
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7/6/2016 7:23:10 PM
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7/6/2016 7:23:34 PM
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Again, sign ups will close in about a week, or when we've hit 16 participants.
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7/6/2016 7:38:13 PM
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At 7/6/2016 7:21:39 PM, fire_wings wrote:
At 7/6/2016 6:07:59 PM, bsh1 wrote:
@Fire, no troll topics, por favor.

Like you can't do topics like, "I am a ______"

Probably not.
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7/6/2016 8:34:49 PM
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At 7/6/2016 7:23:10 PM, bsh1 wrote:
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