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Select Winner vs. 7-point

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7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...
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7/7/2016 2:39:51 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...

It's just sad.
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7/7/2016 2:42:25 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 2:39:51 AM, tejretics wrote:
At 7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...

It's just sad.

At least it adds up to 100%. That's not sad. ;) Math still works!
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7/7/2016 4:37:20 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...

The 7-point system IMO is much better than the winner takes all system.
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7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM
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They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.
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7/7/2016 4:41:15 AM
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With current voting rules, the select winner is better since most of the time you are only really allowed to award arguments points.
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7/7/2016 6:00:53 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...

It's because it is 7 point default, and new members don't know how to change it.
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7/7/2016 11:08:04 AM
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At 7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM, Ragnar wrote:
They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.

Fair point, I will redo it on non-tied debates and see where that brings us!
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7/7/2016 11:23:03 AM
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At 7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM, Ragnar wrote:
They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.

It changed to:

92.7% 7 Point
7.3% Select Winner
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7/7/2016 11:24:22 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 11:23:03 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM, Ragnar wrote:
They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.

It changed to:

92.7% 7 Point
7.3% Select Winner

How many debates?
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7/7/2016 3:23:18 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 11:23:03 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM, Ragnar wrote:
They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.

It changed to:

92.7% 7 Point
7.3% Select Winner

Sounds like a good time for a two-sample z-test :D
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7/7/2016 4:20:08 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 11:23:03 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
At 7/7/2016 4:38:24 AM, Ragnar wrote:
They each have their pluses and minuses. However regarding those numbers, is there any way your data program can identify if a debate was voted on or not? I suspect these numbers would be far closer for voted debates.

It changed to:

92.7% 7 Point
7.3% Select Winner

I expected a bigger shift... Oh well, you still can't go wrong with better data measurement, even if the results turn out to be a negligible difference.

Even as a supporter of the 7 point system, I will outright say raw popularity is near meaningless.
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7/7/2016 8:18:00 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/7/2016 2:37:37 AM, zmikecuber wrote:
Unsurprisingly, the 7-point is far more popular than the select winner. A very strong reason for this is because it's the default debate setting. However, I'm still surprised at how overwhelmingly the 7-point system is still used.

93.8% of debates are 7-point
6.2% of debates are Select Winner

This is based on 4681 debates from 2016 and 2015.

Just for your visual ease:

http://i.imgur.com...

This encourages me to use Select Winner now.