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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.
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7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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7/14/2016 2:00:11 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
lol you are so desperate

People are ignoring you for a reason

You have no power here, beyond the ability to cast a vote, just like everyone else.
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7/14/2016 2:01:08 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
As a note, imabench is upset at losing the election and his supporters YYW and Mikal are upset as well. They will insist that theirs is the legitimate one. It's not.
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7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
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7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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7/14/2016 2:02:34 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
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7/14/2016 2:03:03 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:02:34 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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7/14/2016 2:03:43 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:03:03 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:02:34 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
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7/14/2016 2:04:43 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Feminism is bad, BLM sucks, Islam is not peaceful, wage gap doesn't exist, there is no rape culture, safe spaces are useless morons, non-Crusaders are degenerates, we shouldn't subsidize the destruction of the West.

Bait set.
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7/14/2016 2:05:44 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
F-16 is literally right. Not trolling.

Max, if you want this to have any degree of respectability, make the thread yourself.
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7/14/2016 2:06:01 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.

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7/14/2016 2:06:08 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:03:43 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:03:03 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:02:34 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

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7/14/2016 2:06:23 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:04:43 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Feminism is bad, BLM sucks, Islam is not peaceful, wage gap doesn't exist, there is no rape culture, safe spaces are useless morons, non-Crusaders are degenerates, we shouldn't subsidize the destruction of the West.

Bait set.

lol
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7/14/2016 2:06:25 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:02:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Ignore imabench's and YYW's personal attacks. None of the referenda are legitimate.

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7/14/2016 2:06:34 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.

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7/14/2016 2:07:31 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:06:08 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:03:43 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:03:03 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:02:34 AM, someloser wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:01:12 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 2:00:02 AM, imabench wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Ignore the troll
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If the sky's the limit then why do we have footprints on the Moon? I'm shooting my aspirations for the stars.

"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

Topics I want to debate. (http://tinyurl.com...)
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7/14/2016 2:10:48 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:06:34 AM, Vaarka wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.

http://vaarka.deviantart.com...

No one cares.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." "Sir Winston Churchill

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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7/14/2016 2:13:55 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.

I don't know, F-16, the eloquence of your opposition is pretty staggering. I don't know how you'll persevere against that.
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7/14/2016 2:15:39 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:13:55 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 7/14/2016 1:59:07 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
None of them.

The current situation shows exactly why we can't have legitimate referenda initiated by any random member of the community.

1. If anyone can initiate a referendum, we will have a large number of referenda.
2. All of them may have different results.
3. The only legitimate referenda come from the community's elected representatives. Currently, this is the president, Wylted.

Regarding Airmax:

The presidency and moderation are completely different positions. Airmax will accept whoever is the president. Airmax has no authority to remove the presidency or refuse to accept a president. A good analogy is Airmax as a CEO and Wylted as a Union leader.

With that in mind, good job to everyone who made a point by creating multiple referenda. I think that makes it pretty clear that none of them are legitimate.

The presidency will remain for six months. After that, we'll have another election. If you favor abolition, vote bench at that time.

I don't know, F-16, the eloquence of your opposition is pretty staggering. I don't know how you'll persevere against that.

Think I've clarified as much as possible. My job here is done. But the others who proved a point by making a mockery of the referenda are the real reason it was discredited.
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7/14/2016 2:15:47 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
tfw everyone who disagrees with it keeps bumping the only actual argument in this entire event
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7/14/2016 2:27:13 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 2:15:47 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
tfw everyone who disagrees with it keeps bumping the only actual argument in this entire event

What this thread reminds me of:

https://youtu.be...
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