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What is the most annoying logical fallacy?

Jry2001
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9/18/2016 8:17:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
To me, the most annoying error people make in debates is to dismiss legitimate comparisons or relevant facts as irrelevant.

For instance:

Person A: We have a moral obligation to help Syrian refugees because, through wars like the one in Iraq, we destabilized the region, causing the problems that caused them to become refugees in the first place.

Person B: We aren't talking about the Iraq war, we're talking about Syrian refugees. Hurr, durr.

Person A: Saying that evolution isn't a science because some people disagree about it is like saying that paintings don't exist because they're made using paint. Science, by definiton, involves disagreement and skepticism.

Person B: But we aren't talking about paintings, hurr, durr.
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9/18/2016 8:33:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Ado hominem or personal attacks.

With most other fallacies, strawman, appeal to nature et cetera, it is very possible to commit them by accident. You may strawman your opponents views not by malicious intent but from a genuine misunderstanding of your opponents position. You may make an appeal to nature not out of malicious intent but due to a perfectly human bias towards whatever is considered "natural".

Ad hom attacks however, are a different story. Because most ad homs are a deliberate attack on your opponent, shifting the subject of the debate from critical discourse to personal sentimentality. And one of the worse things you could do in any debate (or professional setting in general) is make things personal.
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9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
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9/18/2016 8:43:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Shifting the burden of proof and moving the goalposts.
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9/18/2016 8:44:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
*facepalm*
Non sequitur (does not follow) simply means that your argument isn't valid.

Your most common error is the informal fallacy.
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9/18/2016 8:47:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:44:41 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
*facepalm*
Non sequitur (does not follow) simply means that your argument isn't valid.

Your most common error is the informal fallacy.

The Non-Sequitur fallacy makes a conclusion that does not follow the premises. It is a legitimate fallacy, regardless of it's formality.
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9/18/2016 8:53:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:47:25 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:44:41 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
*facepalm*
Non sequitur (does not follow) simply means that your argument isn't valid.

Your most common error is the informal fallacy.

The Non-Sequitur fallacy makes a conclusion that does not follow the premises. It is a legitimate fallacy, regardless of it's formality.
*facepalm*
I'll rewrite this and see if you get it the second time.

Non sequitur isn't a fallacy. Non sequitur is used to show the irrelevancy or error of a conclusion. As such, it is a term used to refer to a logical fallacy, but it doesn't constitute a logical fallacy by itself.
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9/18/2016 9:04:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:53:34 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:47:25 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:44:41 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
*facepalm*
Non sequitur (does not follow) simply means that your argument isn't valid.

Your most common error is the informal fallacy.

The Non-Sequitur fallacy makes a conclusion that does not follow the premises. It is a legitimate fallacy, regardless of it's formality.
*facepalm*
I'll rewrite this and see if you get it the second time.

Non sequitur isn't a fallacy. Non sequitur is used to show the irrelevancy or error of a conclusion. As such, it is a term used to refer to a logical fallacy, but it doesn't constitute a logical fallacy by itself.

I have always seen it referred to as a fallacy itself, but I see what you mean.
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9/18/2016 9:07:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The most annoying has to be the use of circular logic.
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9/18/2016 9:11:04 PM
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The Australia fallacy. It's when someone claims there's a 7th continent right below Asia and tries to use it in arguments. Most of the time, they refer to it as "Australia", hence the name.
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9/18/2016 11:47:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Hasty generalization. Everyone who makes it is evil.
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9/19/2016 4:05:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
I find the fallacy fallacy the most annoying. For example, person A argues why there is a 99.999 percent chance he is right and therefore fulfils burden of proof, and person B correctly points out that was an appeal to probability fallacy, but commits the fallacy fallacy. Most arguments are probabilistic, so fallacies aren't always applicable, so using the fallacy fallacy to dismiss others' fallacies which rely on probability is bad.
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9/19/2016 11:47:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 11:47:31 PM, n7 wrote:

Hasty generalization. Everyone who makes it is evil.

That was funny.

Appeal to credulity fallacy.

"I can't/don't believe it", so therefore it cannot be true.
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9/19/2016 12:08:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 9:11:04 PM, SeventhProfessor wrote:
The Australia fallacy. It's when someone claims there's a 7th continent right below Asia and tries to use it in arguments. Most of the time, they refer to it as "Australia", hence the name.

Yankies use false maps:
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9/19/2016 12:11:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
When people go herpaderp logical fallacy waa waa instead of actually debating what you said.
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9/21/2016 3:22:50 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/21/2016 2:46:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Godwin's law

You're just saying that because you're a Nazi!
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9/21/2016 3:23:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/21/2016 3:22:50 AM, ThinkBig wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:46:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Godwin's law

You're just saying that because you're a Nazi!

hoitler dindu nuffin wrong
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9/21/2016 3:26:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/21/2016 3:23:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/21/2016 3:22:50 AM, ThinkBig wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:46:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Godwin's law

You're just saying that because you're a Nazi!

hoitler dindu nuffin wrong

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9/21/2016 3:30:09 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/21/2016 3:26:54 AM, ThinkBig wrote:
At 9/21/2016 3:23:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 9/21/2016 3:22:50 AM, ThinkBig wrote:
At 9/21/2016 2:46:25 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
Godwin's law

You're just saying that because you're a Nazi!

hoitler dindu nuffin wrong

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aww damn it now I look like a neo-Nazi
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9/29/2016 2:42:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:17:12 PM, Jry2001 wrote:
To me, the most annoying error people make in debates is to dismiss legitimate comparisons or relevant facts as irrelevant.

For instance:

Person A: We have a moral obligation to help Syrian refugees because, through wars like the one in Iraq, we destabilized the region, causing the problems that caused them to become refugees in the first place.

Person B: We aren't talking about the Iraq war, we're talking about Syrian refugees. Hurr, durr.

Person A: Saying that evolution isn't a science because some people disagree about it is like saying that paintings don't exist because they're made using paint. Science, by definiton, involves disagreement and skepticism.

Person B: But we aren't talking about paintings, hurr, durr.

Probably tu quo que and strawman. Mostly because they're so pervasive, and so successful.
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9/29/2016 3:03:33 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:17:12 PM, Jry2001 wrote:
To me, the most annoying error people make in debates is to dismiss legitimate comparisons or relevant facts as irrelevant.

For instance:

Person A: We have a moral obligation to help Syrian refugees because, through wars like the one in Iraq, we destabilized the region, causing the problems that caused them to become refugees in the first place.

Person B: We aren't talking about the Iraq war, we're talking about Syrian refugees. Hurr, durr.

Person A: Saying that evolution isn't a science because some people disagree about it is like saying that paintings don't exist because they're made using paint. Science, by definiton, involves disagreement and skepticism.

Person B: But we aren't talking about paintings, hurr, durr.

Ad hominem attacks.
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10/2/2016 7:36:40 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 9/18/2016 8:47:25 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:44:41 PM, NHN wrote:
At 9/18/2016 8:38:58 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
The one I'm most guilty of: Non-Sequitur
*facepalm*
Non sequitur (does not follow) simply means that your argument isn't valid.

Your most common error is the informal fallacy.

The Non-Sequitur fallacy makes a conclusion that does not follow the premises. It is a legitimate fallacy, regardless of it's formality.

Non sequitur
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10/2/2016 8:50:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
No true Scotsman and Straw-man are definitely the most "annoying" but certainly not the worst.
Ad hominen is the most pathetic.

I'd say Nirvana fallacy is the worst though. I see it a lot when talking to Socialists and Anarchists.