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Voting Block? theLwerd and friends

mongeese
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1/21/2011 5:05:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I think it's time we looked at a particular group of accounts who seem to have always seven-bombed for each other:

Lwerd
LaSalle
theLwerd
Vi_Veri
SaintNick
numa

Just look at some of these past debates (parenthises denote page in Voting tab):
http://www.debate.org... (2)
http://www.debate.org... (1)
http://www.debate.org... (1)
http://www.debate.org... (1,2)
http://www.debate.org... (1,2)
http://www.debate.org... (1,2,3)
http://www.debate.org... (particularly interesting is how this is a debate between theLwerd and Vi_Veri, and numa's only split vote, made in a rather interesting pattern)
http://www.debate.org... (3,4,5) (most ironic if you read the comments in full first)
http://www.debate.org... (1)

They also seemed to have all joined against me:
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

You might think that theLwerd jsut has a bunch of fans, but apparently, some of them have logged on recently just to vote for her and against me.
And why would theLwerd and Vi_Veri also be voting for them with such evident bias? There would have to be a deal.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org... (most of the voting block here)
http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

Basically, I call shenanigans. With so many extra, unjustified votes, it's really no wonder than many of the participants have fairly high win percentages. I think the accounts in question should have their IP addresses checked to confirm that none of them are multi-accounts or gift accounts.

(Note that this list doesn't cover nearly all of the incidents; they're just the most obvious ones.)
askbob
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1/21/2011 5:08:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If this was anyone else posting this, you probably would be taken more seriously
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
mongeese
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1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

@ Cody: The Moderators found the rogue thread, but I guess a PM to the mods won't hurt.
askbob
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1/21/2011 5:24:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:

I don't doubt you and the evidence is correct, just get a confirmation.
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
mongeese
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1/21/2011 5:30:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The tricky thing is, while the voting block obviously exists, it isn't necessarily due to multiple accounts, and there's no way to officially confirm a voting block, nor are there any rules against voting blocks, except general morality, which is sadly rather lacking.
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1/21/2011 5:34:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 5:30:49 PM, mongeese wrote:
The tricky thing is, while the voting block obviously exists, it isn't necessarily due to multiple accounts, and there's no way to officially confirm a voting block, nor are there any rules against voting blocks, except general morality, which is sadly rather lacking.

Welp if there are no multiple accounts then there's no problem. Just stop having debates with those in the block
Me -Phil left the site in my charge. I have a recorded phone conversation to prove it.
kohai -If you're the owner, then do something useful like ip block him and get us away from juggle and on a dofferent host!
Me -haha you apparently don't know my history
Kohai - Maybe not, but that doesn't matter! You shoukd still listen to your community and quit being a tyrrant!
Me - i was being completely sarcastic
Kohai - then u misrepresented yourself by impersonating the owner—a violation of the tos
Cody_Franklin
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1/21/2011 5:34:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ Cody: The Moderators found the rogue thread, but I guess a PM to the mods won't hurt.

Indeed. It's one of the few ways in which your accusations can be verified. I would suggest challenging your alleged antagonists to a debate, but, given the circumstances of the accusation...
mongoose
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1/21/2011 7:23:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 5:34:14 PM, askbob wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:30:49 PM, mongeese wrote:
The tricky thing is, while the voting block obviously exists, it isn't necessarily due to multiple accounts, and there's no way to officially confirm a voting block, nor are there any rules against voting blocks, except general morality, which is sadly rather lacking.

Welp if there are no multiple accounts then there's no problem. Just stop having debates with those in the block

It doesn't matter who he debates, they just vote against him. I recall people pointing out that mongeese, overall, gave about five times or so as many points to theLwerd's opponents as they did to her. How many points has theLwerd given to mongeese? None. How many has she given to his opponents? OVER 9000!
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
mongeese
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1/21/2011 8:24:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 7:23:21 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:34:14 PM, askbob wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:30:49 PM, mongeese wrote:
The tricky thing is, while the voting block obviously exists, it isn't necessarily due to multiple accounts, and there's no way to officially confirm a voting block, nor are there any rules against voting blocks, except general morality, which is sadly rather lacking.

Welp if there are no multiple accounts then there's no problem. Just stop having debates with those in the block

It doesn't matter who he debates, they just vote against him. I recall people pointing out that mongeese, overall, gave about five times or so as many points to theLwerd's opponents as he gave to her.

And the main reason for that was because for most of those debates, I was the opponent, and people are naturally more inclined to vote for themselves because they can understand their own arguments better than anyone else.
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1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?
no comment
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1/22/2011 11:12:36 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM, Caramel wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?

Don't burst his bubble.
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lovelife
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1/22/2011 11:26:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM, Caramel wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?

He thought you were L?
Also vi=/=L
Just a lot of bias and...incentive to vote certain ways.
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mongeese
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1/22/2011 12:07:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM, Caramel wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?

Say what? When was this?
mongeese
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1/22/2011 12:08:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 11:26:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM, Caramel wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?

He thought you were L?
I did?

Also vi=/=L
Just a lot of bias and...incentive to vote certain ways.
Probably, but that's pretty much the making of a voting block. The other accounts are also potential multi-accounts, but again, I have no proof.
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1/22/2011 12:17:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 12:08:48 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 1/22/2011 11:26:58 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 1/22/2011 11:07:58 AM, Caramel wrote:
At 1/21/2011 5:23:44 PM, mongeese wrote:
@ askbob: You're probably right. At this point, few people believe me, even thought I've been spot-on on every accusation I've made.

Including the accusation to me that I (when I was using my former Rob1billion account) am in fact theLwerd?

He thought you were L?
I did?

Also vi=/=L
Just a lot of bias and...incentive to vote certain ways.
Probably, but that's pretty much the making of a voting block. The other accounts are also potential multi-accounts, but again, I have no proof.

Even if they aren't multi-accounts, it's clear that the main thing that they do is bomb us. That's just about all they do.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
mongeese
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1/22/2011 12:28:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 12:17:11 PM, mongoose wrote:
Even if they aren't multi-accounts, it's clear that the main thing that they do is bomb us. That's just about all they do.

Actually, looking at your past debates that you've lost, you've almost beeen helped more than hurt with the vote-bombing, as Logical_Master and I were your opponents in three of them, and the Voting Block hates us more than you, apparently. It's still a mystery who they hate more between me and Logical_Master, as the only debate between us was over one of theLwerd's debates, so she naturally voted for Logical_Master, who was a devil's advocate in her defense.
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1/22/2011 12:36:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 12:28:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 1/22/2011 12:17:11 PM, mongoose wrote:
Even if they aren't multi-accounts, it's clear that the main thing that they do is bomb us. That's just about all they do.

Actually, looking at your past debates that you've lost, you've almost beeen helped more than hurt with the vote-bombing, as Logical_Master and I were your opponents in three of them, and the Voting Block hates us more than you, apparently. It's still a mystery who they hate more between me and Logical_Master, as the only debate between us was over one of theLwerd's debates, so she naturally voted for Logical_Master, who was a devil's advocate in her defense.

They're having fun with you and aren't taking you seriously. However if this is going to be an issue that is going to be dealt with in earnest across the board; then your case should be dealt with in the same light as those who are claiming that vote bombing is a problem that needs to be dealt with now. Your problem is your tack in presenting your particular circumstance.
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1/22/2011 1:06:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Excellent!" I cried. "Elementary," said he.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Lol I don't like you very much. I haven't voted against you in a long time, but considering you just reminded me of how annoying you are, I think I will go read over some of your debates now and vote "accordingly." I will tell my comrades about my evil plans though I don't know for sure how they'll react... *snicker*

You might want to stalk my IP address, get the mods involved, write a letter to Phil letting him know about all of your hard work and what you've found since his departure, etc. I couldn't think of a better way to spend my weekend :D Come on Sherlock show us what you can really do! (Hint: Maybe I'm not the only one who finds you annoying)
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1/22/2011 1:24:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
L just PM'd me asking if I want to join her voting club. I'm not sure what to do tho...
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1/22/2011 1:41:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 1:24:36 PM, lovelife wrote:
L just PM'd me asking if I want to join her voting club. I'm not sure what to do tho...

That depends, do you want to be a mercenary for darkness or not?
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1/22/2011 1:56:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 1:24:36 PM, lovelife wrote:
L just PM'd me asking if I want to join her club.

Lol you wish :P But while we're on the subject - would you?

*Reports self for possibly hurting geese's feelings*
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1/22/2011 2:03:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 1:56:19 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 1/22/2011 1:24:36 PM, lovelife wrote:
L just PM'd me asking if I want to join her club.

Lol you wish :P But while we're on the subject - would you?

Haha whats in it for me? :p

*Reports self for possibly hurting geese's feelings*
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mongeese
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1/22/2011 3:54:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 1:06:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Blahby blah

So, do you know LaSalle, numa, or SaintNick in real life? Have you ever talked about voting with them? Why did you support them in their debates in such an obviously biased way?

These are the question you should answer if you want to build a defense for yourself. The evidence looks quite against you.
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1/22/2011 7:11:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 1:06:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
"Excellent!" I cried. "Elementary," said he.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...

Lol I don't like you very much. I haven't voted against you in a long time, but considering you just reminded me of how annoying you are, I think I will go read over some of your debates now and vote "accordingly." I will tell my comrades about my evil plans though I don't know for sure how they'll react... *snicker*

You might want to stalk my IP address, get the mods involved, write a letter to Phil letting him know about all of your hard work and what you've found since his departure, etc. I couldn't think of a better way to spend my weekend :D Come on Sherlock show us what you can really do! (Hint: Maybe I'm not the only one who finds you annoying)

Does this also explain why you vote for them constantly? And could you explain this: http://www.debate.org...
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
mongeese
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1/22/2011 11:18:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
So, I've tried this thread, the Help section, and a PM to a moderator...

And I've received no reponse. At all. No positive, negative, waiting, nothing.

...
Atheism
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1/23/2011 4:15:41 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 11:18:52 PM, mongeese wrote:
So, I've tried this thread, the Help section, and a PM to a moderator...

And I've received no reponse. At all. No positive, negative, waiting, nothing.

...

That's because the voting block is doing nothing wrong.
There also might be something in the fact that THIS HAS BEEN BEATEN LIKE A DEAD HORSE.
I miss the old members.
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1/23/2011 8:07:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 1/22/2011 3:54:10 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 1/22/2011 1:06:30 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Blahby blah

So, do you know LaSalle, numa, or SaintNick in real life? Have you ever talked about voting with them? Why did you support them in their debates in such an obviously biased way?

These are the question you should answer if you want to build a defense for yourself. The evidence looks quite against you.

Oh noes! The evidence is stacking up against me?! *trembles*

I'm not going to answer whether or not I know them IRL lol that's none of your damn business (though if you're a real sleuth I'm sure you can put 2 and 2 together regarding my relationship with at least 1 of them). Anyway if you have a problem with them, take it up with them. By the way the fact that you know how I voted on their debates is CREEPY. You are a fvcking stalker, dude!

Get! A! Life!
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1/23/2011 8:47:39 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Lwerd has done 330 debates and you've done 208. Selective much? I haven't looked at all those debates but suffice to say multiple users 7'd both for and against Lwerd. I'm sure if you dove deep enough you could find a multitude of plausible voting blocs.
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