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2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???
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2/23/2011 10:39:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Because they obviously didn't get a hold of this information.

In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth.

According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population.

Yeah, really trickling down. You can totally tell by walking through the ghettos of Chicago.
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2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?
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2/23/2011 10:51:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?

Well yeah, they make a lot more, so they should pay in a lot more.
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2/23/2011 10:52:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:51:11 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?

Well yeah, they make a lot more, so they should pay in a lot more.

Where would you stop it, 50% income tax for the highest earners? 60%?
the further you move on the spectrum, the more you are distancing yourself from "trickle down"
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2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?
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2/23/2011 10:59:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?

so what 90% tax on top earners?
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2/23/2011 11:00:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Yes, murder. Of course. That sounds perfectly moral. And while Congress is debating whether or not to legalize the mass murder of the upper class, they all fly to Canada and Mexico and Europe and anywhere else. Now everybody left in America owns a larger share of America's wealth! And who cares if you didn't actually gain any wealth?
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2/23/2011 11:12:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:59:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?

so what 90% tax on top earners?

I think they'd run to another country if we tried that.

Plus I doubt it would pass, because I'd be willing to wager that this top 1% is what runs this country.

At 2/23/2011 11:00:00 PM, mongeese wrote:
Yes, murder. Of course. That sounds perfectly moral. And while Congress is debating whether or not to legalize the mass murder of the upper class, they all fly to Canada and Mexico and Europe and anywhere else. Now everybody left in America owns a larger share of America's wealth! And who cares if you didn't actually gain any wealth?

Forget congress, send the Tea Party dudes at them. I'm sure they'd be pretty easy to convince that it was a good idea.. for America or something.. Just say "for America" enough times ,and they'll probably go for it.

Also speak loudly while waving a beer, gives you extra charisma points.

3,087,455 out of 308,745,538 is a pretty acceptable sacrifice I think. Especially if 123,498,215 people benefit.

Yeah, revolution motherfvcker. These arseholes have been saying "let them eat cake" for far too long.

...

We don't have to kill them, just take their sh!t. Provided we get past their robots armed with nuclear lasers.
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2/23/2011 11:14:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 11:12:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:59:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?

so what 90% tax on top earners?

I think they'd run to another country if we tried that.

Plus I doubt it would pass, because I'd be willing to wager that this top 1% is what runs this country.

Gimme a percentage
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2/23/2011 11:19:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 11:14:40 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 11:12:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:59:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?

so what 90% tax on top earners?

I think they'd run to another country if we tried that.

Plus I doubt it would pass, because I'd be willing to wager that this top 1% is what runs this country.

Gimme a percentage

100% and retroactive.

Let them see what it is like to start with nothing.

Spoiled fvcks, I bet they couldn't last a week.
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2/23/2011 11:34:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 11:19:28 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/23/2011 11:14:40 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 11:12:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:59:36 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:57:40 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I say murder the sh!t out of that 1% that has over 40% of the country's wealth.

You know that when our state collapses, those are the fvcks who are going to be left.

Distribute it to the lower 40% that combined only makes up 1% of the wealth.

Just watch how the economy bounces.

Provided the lower 40 doesn't just hoard without really spending it like the stupid rich people do.

Seriously, what the fvck are you going to do with all that money?

so what 90% tax on top earners?

I think they'd run to another country if we tried that.

Plus I doubt it would pass, because I'd be willing to wager that this top 1% is what runs this country.

Gimme a percentage

100% and retroactive.

Let them see what it is like to start with nothing.

Spoiled fvcks, I bet they couldn't last a week.

Ha bet you're down for a 100% estate tax too
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2/24/2011 12:15:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't think we understand each other here.

I'm not for taxes.

I'm for robbing the sh!t out of the 1% of the population that almost controls half of this countries wealth.

Take that money and do something useful with it. Like spend it.
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2/24/2011 12:35:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 12:15:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I don't think we understand each other here.

I'm not for taxes.

I'm for robbing the sh!t out of the 1% of the population that almost controls half of this countries wealth.


Take that money and do something useful with it. Like spend it.

Lol. You must be new here. Keynesian economics doesn't fly.
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2/24/2011 12:50:02 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 12:35:50 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Lol. You must be new here. Keynesian economics doesn't fly.

I'm not an economist. I'm not familiar with the idea.

However, I'm fairly certain that something isn't right about what is going on.

If you want to bow to the king, that's your business. The peasants on the bottom won't take this sh!t for much longer.
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2/24/2011 1:01:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 12:50:02 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/24/2011 12:35:50 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Lol. You must be new here. Keynesian economics doesn't fly.

I'm not an economist. I'm not familiar with the idea.

However, I'm fairly certain that something isn't right about what is going on.

If you want to bow to the king, that's your business. The peasants on the bottom won't take this sh!t for much longer.

Let me put on my amateur economist hat for a minute, then.

At 2/24/2011 12:15:45 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I don't think we understand each other here.

I'm not for taxes.

I'm for robbing the sh!t out of the 1% of the population that almost controls half of this countries wealth.

Take that money and do something useful with it. Like spend it.

1. First of all, your "robbing the sh*t out of the top 1%" plan is just a massive plan of taxation executed very, very quickly. So you actually are for taxes. :P

2. Just giving people money to spend isn't going to help the economy. All you're doing is taking money from one place and moving it to another without realizing that there's a reason that the money isn't moving anywhere. I mean, yeah, the bottom whatever percent can spend it on things like food, houses, and cars, but when things level off, the artificial inflation you've created in consumer demand is going to bite you in the arse.
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2/24/2011 1:04:01 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
dude... theres another trickle down thread still on the front page of this forum.... ffs.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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2/24/2011 1:06:13 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/23/2011 10:52:47 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:51:11 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?

Well yeah, they make a lot more, so they should pay in a lot more.

Where would you stop it, 50% income tax for the highest earners? 60%?
the further you move on the spectrum, the more you are distancing yourself from "trickle down"

Sure. They paid 90% income taxes in the 60s and 70s and they were still rich as hell.
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2/24/2011 1:06:15 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 1:01:58 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
1. First of all, your "robbing the sh*t out of the top 1%" plan is just a massive plan of taxation executed very, very quickly. So you actually are for taxes. :P


Cody, it's the opposite of taxation. It's untaxation. Of course, "taxing" the rich doesn't really do anything since they'll just raise prices, lower wages, raise rent, etc, on the poor. The only solution is to take away their power to do that.
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2/24/2011 1:10:42 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:01:58 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
1. First of all, your "robbing the sh*t out of the top 1%" plan is just a massive plan of taxation executed very, very quickly. So you actually are for taxes. :P


Well, more like a one time knee break'n tax.

2. Just giving people money to spend isn't going to help the economy. All you're doing is taking money from one place and moving it to another without realizing that there's a reason that the money isn't moving anywhere. I mean, yeah, the bottom whatever percent can spend it on things like food, houses, and cars, but when things level off, the artificial inflation you've created in consumer demand is going to bite you in the arse.

The reason it isn't going anywhere? Because they aren't spending it.

At the very least put this money to good use. Create some jobs or something. Or just give me the money. I'll make good use of it.
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2/24/2011 1:11:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 1:06:13 AM, rogue wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:52:47 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:51:11 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?

Well yeah, they make a lot more, so they should pay in a lot more.

Where would you stop it, 50% income tax for the highest earners? 60%?
the further you move on the spectrum, the more you are distancing yourself from "trickle down"

Sure. They paid 90% income taxes in the 60s and 70s and they were still rich as hell.

The fact of the matter is, no one needs that much fvcking money.
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2/24/2011 1:15:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 1:11:50 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/24/2011 1:06:13 AM, rogue wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:52:47 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:51:11 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:49:09 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 2/23/2011 10:24:10 PM, flames wrote:
can't work thats why the middle class is shrinking

but why do people believe trickle down economics works???

So you think top earners should pay 20% more in taxes than bottom earners, not 15% more? better yet should top earners just pay 30% more than bottom earners?

Well yeah, they make a lot more, so they should pay in a lot more.

Where would you stop it, 50% income tax for the highest earners? 60%?
the further you move on the spectrum, the more you are distancing yourself from "trickle down"

Sure. They paid 90% income taxes in the 60s and 70s and they were still rich as hell.

The fact of the matter is, no one needs that much fvcking money.

Yeah, and you don't need a house, car, phone, computer, or sustenance other than bread and water. If you're going to rob the rich, you'd better be ready to either be an ascetic or shut the f*ck up for being an inconsistent, hypocritical a**hole.
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2/24/2011 1:18:04 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:10:42 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/24/2011 1:01:58 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
1. First of all, your "robbing the sh*t out of the top 1%" plan is just a massive plan of taxation executed very, very quickly. So you actually are for taxes. :P


Well, more like a one time knee break'n tax.


2. Just giving people money to spend isn't going to help the economy. All you're doing is taking money from one place and moving it to another without realizing that there's a reason that the money isn't moving anywhere. I mean, yeah, the bottom whatever percent can spend it on things like food, houses, and cars, but when things level off, the artificial inflation you've created in consumer demand is going to bite you in the arse.

The reason it isn't going anywhere? Because they aren't spending it.

At the very least put this money to good use. Create some jobs or something. Or just give me the money. I'll make good use of it.

Ya Warren Buffet keeps all his money under his mattress, he didn't gain his wealth by investing or anything.
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2/24/2011 1:18:12 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:10:42 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/24/2011 1:01:58 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
1. First of all, your "robbing the sh*t out of the top 1%" plan is just a massive plan of taxation executed very, very quickly. So you actually are for taxes. :P


Well, more like a one time knee break'n tax.

That's just hatred for the sake of hatred. Useless as a normative criterion.

2. Just giving people money to spend isn't going to help the economy. All you're doing is taking money from one place and moving it to another without realizing that there's a reason that the money isn't moving anywhere. I mean, yeah, the bottom whatever percent can spend it on things like food, houses, and cars, but when things level off, the artificial inflation you've created in consumer demand is going to bite you in the arse.

The reason it isn't going anywhere? Because they aren't spending it.

I don't think you honestly understood anything I just said. Your response is more or less a tautology. What I mean is that there's a reason that rich people don't spend 100% of their income.

At the very least put this money to good use. Create some jobs or something. Or just give me the money. I'll make good use of it.

"Creating jobs" isn't an inherently positive economic strategy. I'm sure we could rob the rich to put plenty of people to work at minimum wage to dig large holes in the Oklahoman countryside.
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2/24/2011 1:27:44 AM
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1% of the population. over 38% of the country's wealth.

40% of the population has 1% of the country's wealth.

There is something intrinsically fvcked up about this. I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.
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2/24/2011 1:29:24 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:27:44 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
1% of the population. over 38% of the country's wealth.

40% of the population has 1% of the country's wealth.


There is something intrinsically fvcked up about this. I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.

wait you're from the U.S. right?
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2/24/2011 1:30:40 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:27:44 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
1% of the population. over 38% of the country's wealth.

40% of the population has 1% of the country's wealth.


There is something intrinsically fvcked up about this.

That's just another way of saying "X is intrinsically wrong", which contains two assumptions:

1. There are moral facts (i.e. facts concerning what is right/wrong and good/bad)

2. These moral facts are intrinsic to the universe (e.g. human suffering "just is" bad).

I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.

Depends on your goal. If you're seeking population reduction, for example, and your personal philosophy is "the ends justify the means", you would have no problem with what is going on.
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2/24/2011 1:31:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 1:27:44 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
1% of the population. over 38% of the country's wealth.

40% of the population has 1% of the country's wealth.


There is something intrinsically fvcked up about this. I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.

I know the solution.
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2/24/2011 1:45:18 AM
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At 2/24/2011 1:30:40 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
That's just another way of saying "X is intrinsically wrong", which contains two assumptions:

1. There are moral facts (i.e. facts concerning what is right/wrong and good/bad)

2. These moral facts are intrinsic to the universe (e.g. human suffering "just is" bad).


stfu XD

I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.

Depends on your goal. If you're seeking population reduction, for example, and your personal philosophy is "the ends justify the means", you would have no problem with what is going on.

stfu XD
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2/24/2011 1:56:50 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 2/24/2011 1:45:18 AM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 2/24/2011 1:30:40 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
That's just another way of saying "X is intrinsically wrong", which contains two assumptions:

1. There are moral facts (i.e. facts concerning what is right/wrong and good/bad)

2. These moral facts are intrinsic to the universe (e.g. human suffering "just is" bad).


stfu XD

Just a thought.

I don't know the solution, but all I have to do is look at the people dying around me to know that it is a problem.

Depends on your goal. If you're seeking population reduction, for example, and your personal philosophy is "the ends justify the means", you would have no problem with what is going on.

stfu XD

Just another thought.