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FREEDO
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10/9/2011 1:35:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
...between Libertarians and Progressives?

This is just another economic idea I have been entertaining. I'm curious as to how many from both sides of the aisle would be more in favor of this proposition than the current paradigm.

Complete deregulation of the private sector, not counting a large expansion of the public sector. Depending on the degree of expansion, it could also mean the end of taxation.
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10/9/2011 1:56:03 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Nationalizing businesses? Not libertarian.

Relying on government to be super geniuses, investing all the money they have into making lots more, then becoming super charitable? Not sane.
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10/9/2011 1:59:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Techno Allah will set them all straight.

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10/9/2011 2:01:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/9/2011 1:35:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:

Complete deregulation of the private sector, not counting a large expansion of the public sector. Depending on the degree of expansion, it could also mean the end of taxation.

Wouldn't an expansion of the public sector into the private sector basically amount to a sort of de-facto regulation since the government now controls whatever part it controls anyways?
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10/9/2011 2:04:17 AM
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Also, I'm curious what percentage you think is a fair number that the public sector should take over. Right now the public sector in the US currently makes up a little bit less than 50% of GDP. How is it fair that the public sector gets more then half?
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10/9/2011 2:09:58 AM
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At 10/9/2011 2:00:51 AM, darkkermit wrote:
how can you end taxation?

He's under the impression, silly in itself, that the public sector can efficiently and profitably run enough businesses far enough outside its expertise to make that much money.

Nevermind the silliness when you assume that these geniuses will actually use such money so charitably as to run a government for free.
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10/9/2011 2:15:46 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/9/2011 2:09:58 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 10/9/2011 2:00:51 AM, darkkermit wrote:
how can you end taxation?

He's under the impression, silly in itself, that the public sector can efficiently and profitably run enough businesses far enough outside its expertise to make that much money.

Nevermind the silliness when you assume that these geniuses will actually use such money so charitably as to run a government for free.

If you get rid of regulations, the government would have to compete with the private businesses on an equal foot. While the government-entities would lose 100% of their profits, the business entities would get to keep theirs. Whose going to have the incentive to run their business more efficiently.
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10/9/2011 2:33:47 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/9/2011 2:00:51 AM, darkkermit wrote:
how can you end taxation?

Through profit of nationalized industries that aren't made free.
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10/9/2011 2:37:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/9/2011 2:33:47 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 10/9/2011 2:00:51 AM, darkkermit wrote:
how can you end taxation?

Through profit of nationalized industries that aren't made free.

See analysis above.
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10/9/2011 1:22:08 PM
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Why Would We Do This?

Do You Want the Misallocation and Low Productivity that is Inherent in State-Run Industries?
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10/9/2011 6:03:35 PM
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At 10/9/2011 1:28:58 PM, mongeese wrote:
Cue RoyLatham pointing out how private business has been found to be three times as productive as the government.

The productivity of government programs all depends on how much s being spent. You can't just pull a number out of hat like that.
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10/9/2011 6:04:05 PM
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At 10/9/2011 1:22:08 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Why Would We Do This?

Do You Want the Misallocation and Low Productivity that is Inherent in State-Run Industries?

Why Did You Capitalize Every Word In Your Post?
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10/9/2011 6:08:57 PM
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At 10/9/2011 6:04:05 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 10/9/2011 1:22:08 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Why Would We Do This?

Do You Want the Misallocation and Low Productivity that is Inherent in State-Run Industries?

Why Did You Capitalize Every Word In Your Post?

Because me capitalizing words makes my argument wrong!
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10/9/2011 6:12:30 PM
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At 10/9/2011 6:03:35 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 10/9/2011 1:28:58 PM, mongeese wrote:
Cue RoyLatham pointing out how private business has been found to be three times as productive as the government.

The productivity of government programs all depends on how much s being spent. You can't just pull a number out of hat like that.

The data was aggregate. You still have yet to dispute that government is less efficient then private markets.
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