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darkkermit
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6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM
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Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.
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6/2/2012 2:34:00 PM
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At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

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6/2/2012 3:16:27 PM
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Thing is, capitalism is the only thing keeping this country afloat, despite every effort of government, and when you have big business working in concert with big government you don't have capitalism. Also, it's not even a party or ideological thing, this happens on both sides of the aisle, where lobbyists are writing regulation and legislation, with the only motive of personal profit and decided advantage.
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6/2/2012 4:23:31 PM
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I guess my whole outlook on this is that not all forms of regulation are created equal. Some beneficial, some detrimental. A clear distinction must be highly addressed and passing off all forms of regulation as detrimental is ridiculous.
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6/2/2012 9:13:22 PM
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At 6/2/2012 3:16:27 PM, innomen wrote:
Thing is, capitalism is the only thing keeping this country afloat, despite every effort of government, and when you have big business working in concert with big government you don't have capitalism. Also, it's not even a party or ideological thing, this happens on both sides of the aisle, where lobbyists are writing regulation and legislation, with the only motive of personal profit and decided advantage.

So, we need fair and equal regulations, and cut back on the ineffective and unjust regulations. If only it was so easy in practice.

One form of regulations is called incentive-based regulations. It puts no command regulations in place, and still regulates behavior, although less. For example, food safety. Food producers and distributors would not be regulated. The market does its thing. However, let's say that food is unhealthy after its put on the shelves. The producers and distributors would face a high tax to disincentivize harming food, and make the practice of selling only quality food more attractive and thus producers would do it to become more competitive.
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6/2/2012 9:51:13 PM
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At 6/2/2012 9:47:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
The only thing the public wants the government to stay out of is the vagina. Everything else is fine.

Not true!
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6/2/2012 10:27:54 PM
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At 6/2/2012 10:13:30 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
I said the public, not the republican minority.

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6/3/2012 4:58:47 PM
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At 6/2/2012 9:47:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
The only thing the public wants the government to stay out of is the vagina. Everything else is fine.

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6/3/2012 5:11:45 PM
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At 6/2/2012 9:51:13 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 6/2/2012 9:47:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
The only thing the public wants the government to stay out of is the vagina. Everything else is fine.

Not true!

The redhead (the one pictured in the screenshot -- forgot her name) is so super hilarious.

And hot.
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6/3/2012 5:14:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I agree, but that's because the government is far more interested in business than it is society.

You realize, the government concerns itself almost entirely with the economy, with a bit of their remaining focus on the military.

This is why "social programs" are considered something special and distinct, while economic programs are considered a matter of course and don't have any special names or designations that have a tinge of negativity, like "economic welfare," or "socialistic business practices."
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6/3/2012 7:23:19 PM
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Stossel did a good bit on this
About how govt has taxi Mendelians in new york that are so expensive only large taxi fleets can afford them. Thus greatly raising the barrier to entry for anyone trying to become a taxi driver.
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6/5/2012 1:54:13 PM
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At 6/5/2012 1:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Capitalism IS a regulation.

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6/5/2012 2:03:07 PM
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Mendelians
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6/5/2012 2:19:39 PM
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At 6/5/2012 2:03:07 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Mendelians
The taxis are genetic?

Spelling wasn't my strongest subject in school and I don't think medallion was ever on my tests.
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6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM
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At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?
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6/5/2012 9:05:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?

Name some large corporations that have actively pursued and lobbied for deregulation.
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6/5/2012 9:20:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?

Name some large corporations that have actively pursued and lobbied for deregulation.

Kock Industries
Exxon Mobil
Goldman Sachs
Chevron
S&L Institutions
General Motors
Chrysler (this and former opposed CAFE)
Morgan Stanley
Citigroup
Traveler's (now part of Citigroup)
JP Morgan Chase
Time Warner
CBS Corporation
Walt Disney
Viacom
Sony
General Electric
...and many more
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/5/2012 9:29:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:20:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?

Name some large corporations that have actively pursued and lobbied for deregulation.

Kock Industries
Exxon Mobil
Goldman Sachs
Chevron
S&L Institutions
General Motors
Chrysler (this and former opposed CAFE)
Morgan Stanley
Citigroup
Traveler's (now part of Citigroup)
JP Morgan Chase
Time Warner
CBS Corporation
Walt Disney
Viacom
Sony
General Electric
...and many more

State which specific bills they opposed/proposed.
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6/5/2012 9:29:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor "deregulation" instead (at least in the public's eye)?
Quotes are mine.
Because that's the regulation their competitor lobbied for.

While you can name many corporations who oppose particular regulations, I'll bet every one of those corporations on that list has also lobbied for a regulation at some point or other. To call such a concept "deregulation" is fundamentally a straw man against those who actually oppose regulation. The desire to get different regulations is not the desire to deregulate but to engage in regulatory capture.
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6/5/2012 9:32:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:29:39 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor "deregulation" instead (at least in the public's eye)?
Quotes are mine.
Because that's the regulation their competitor lobbied for.

While you can name many corporations who oppose particular regulations, I'll bet every one of those corporations on that list has also lobbied for a regulation at some point or other. To call such a concept "deregulation" is fundamentally a straw man against those who actually oppose regulation. The desire to get different regulations is not the desire to deregulate but to engage in regulatory capture.

I can believe this.

I would oppose such regulations, I only support regulations that protect the consumer, ensure better stability, and protect workers; and aren't economically detrimental.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/5/2012 9:33:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:29:21 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:20:40 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?

Name some large corporations that have actively pursued and lobbied for deregulation.

Kock Industries
Exxon Mobil
Goldman Sachs
Chevron
S&L Institutions
General Motors
Chrysler (this and former opposed CAFE)
Morgan Stanley
Citigroup
Traveler's (now part of Citigroup)
JP Morgan Chase
Time Warner
CBS Corporation
Walt Disney
Viacom
Sony
General Electric
...and many more

State which specific bills they opposed/proposed.

Oh LK.

I am studying for my Geometry B exam for tomorrow, I might pull up a list tomorrow. And then ima going to watch Office Space. I'll get the list tomorrow. Mmkay? Great.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/6/2012 12:46:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:32:18 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:29:39 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor "deregulation" instead (at least in the public's eye)?
Quotes are mine.
Because that's the regulation their competitor lobbied for.

While you can name many corporations who oppose particular regulations, I'll bet every one of those corporations on that list has also lobbied for a regulation at some point or other. To call such a concept "deregulation" is fundamentally a straw man against those who actually oppose regulation. The desire to get different regulations is not the desire to deregulate but to engage in regulatory capture.

I can believe this.

I would oppose such regulations, I only support regulations that protect the consumer, ensure better stability, and protect workers; and aren't economically detrimental.

I also only like it when the government does good things.
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6/6/2012 1:24:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 9:05:41 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/2/2012 2:19:01 PM, darkkermit wrote:


Almost all regulations aren't designed to "protect the consumer" or "create fair business practices". Instead, its usually designed to create barriers to entry and allow big businesses to become more profitable. Here's a fun video.

I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor deregulation instead (at least in the public's eye)?

Name some large corporations that have actively pursued and lobbied for deregulation.

And when you name them, only name those that are pushing for complete deregulation, not just the regulations that personally benefit that company while continuing to fight against those that help new companies, or the market as a whole?
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6/6/2012 1:45:41 AM
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At 6/6/2012 12:46:05 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:32:18 PM, Contra wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:29:39 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/5/2012 9:04:39 PM, Contra wrote:
I believe you, but why do large corporations frequently favor "deregulation" instead (at least in the public's eye)?
Quotes are mine.
Because that's the regulation their competitor lobbied for.

While you can name many corporations who oppose particular regulations, I'll bet every one of those corporations on that list has also lobbied for a regulation at some point or other. To call such a concept "deregulation" is fundamentally a straw man against those who actually oppose regulation. The desire to get different regulations is not the desire to deregulate but to engage in regulatory capture.

I can believe this.

I would oppose such regulations, I only support regulations that protect the consumer, ensure better stability, and protect workers; and aren't economically detrimental.

I also only like it when the government does good things.
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6/6/2012 2:01:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/5/2012 1:54:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/5/2012 1:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Capitalism IS a regulation.

And atheism is a prayer, and a this anvil is an atom of antimatter.

Correct.
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6/6/2012 2:04:47 AM
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At 6/6/2012 2:01:35 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/5/2012 1:54:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/5/2012 1:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Capitalism IS a regulation.

And atheism is a prayer, and a this anvil is an atom of antimatter.

Correct.

Therefore, Freedo makes sense.
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