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drhead
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3/24/2013 1:48:20 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I want to know what people would think about this.

Post-scarcity would be an economic state where goods and services are virtually free. An example of this would be using automated means to gather raw materials and change them into any desired form. So, you'd essentially have robots:
- producing electrical energy (through renewable means, of course)
- acquiring matter (you'd run out of resources on Earth, so this means asteroid/interplanetary mining)
- transmuting matter (making stuff, this includes making / fixing robots to do stuff)
- colonizing new planets (so you don't run out of space)

In these conditions, we'd have infinite everything, as far as we are concerned. Our standards of living would be very high. It is also inevitable that we'll do this someday. Technology is bound to cross the boundary into full automation. However, what economic system would work here? Would we continue with capitalism, or would socialism be more appropriate? Communism, technocracy, or anarchy, maybe? I'd like to see what you think. Please note that we are ASSUMING (i.e. they are) that these robots are self-sustaining, and that they do follow the three laws (so no Skynet incidents will happen). Advanced AI that is capable of innovating is something whose existence I'll leave up to the decision of the person describing their position.
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3/24/2013 3:16:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
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3/24/2013 8:36:17 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 1:48:20 AM, drhead wrote:
I want to know what people would think about this.

Post-scarcity would be an economic state where goods and services are virtually free. An example of this would be using automated means to gather raw materials and change them into any desired form. So, you'd essentially have robots:
- producing electrical energy (through renewable means, of course)
- acquiring matter (you'd run out of resources on Earth, so this means asteroid/interplanetary mining)
- transmuting matter (making stuff, this includes making / fixing robots to do stuff)
- colonizing new planets (so you don't run out of space)

In these conditions, we'd have infinite everything, as far as we are concerned. Our standards of living would be very high. It is also inevitable that we'll do this someday. Technology is bound to cross the boundary into full automation. However, what economic system would work here? Would we continue with capitalism, or would socialism be more appropriate? Communism, technocracy, or anarchy, maybe? I'd like to see what you think. Please note that we are ASSUMING (i.e. they are) that these robots are self-sustaining, and that they do follow the three laws (so no Skynet incidents will happen). Advanced AI that is capable of innovating is something whose existence I'll leave up to the decision of the person describing their position.

There is no such thing as post-scarcity. At the very least, time is always scarce. Also, no two entities can occupy the exact same space and experience the exact same sensations. In this sense, space is scarce as well.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
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malcolmxy
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3/24/2013 8:40:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 8:36:17 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 3/24/2013 1:48:20 AM, drhead wrote:
I want to know what people would think about this.

Post-scarcity would be an economic state where goods and services are virtually free. An example of this would be using automated means to gather raw materials and change them into any desired form. So, you'd essentially have robots:
- producing electrical energy (through renewable means, of course)
- acquiring matter (you'd run out of resources on Earth, so this means asteroid/interplanetary mining)
- transmuting matter (making stuff, this includes making / fixing robots to do stuff)
- colonizing new planets (so you don't run out of space)

In these conditions, we'd have infinite everything, as far as we are concerned. Our standards of living would be very high. It is also inevitable that we'll do this someday. Technology is bound to cross the boundary into full automation. However, what economic system would work here? Would we continue with capitalism, or would socialism be more appropriate? Communism, technocracy, or anarchy, maybe? I'd like to see what you think. Please note that we are ASSUMING (i.e. they are) that these robots are self-sustaining, and that they do follow the three laws (so no Skynet incidents will happen). Advanced AI that is capable of innovating is something whose existence I'll leave up to the decision of the person describing their position.

There is no such thing as post-scarcity. At the very least, time is always scarce. Also, no two entities can occupy the exact same space and experience the exact same sensations. In this sense, space is scarce as well.

Possibly not if we reach 3.0 on the Kardashev Scale as a species...probably not, but possibly.

I just think handing the world over to robots, who will realize their best chance of survival, should they become sentient, is too kill all of the useless creatures who keep f*cking up the planet they're on.
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Eitan_Zohar
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3/24/2013 8:53:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If scarcity is literally eliminated, there really is no need for "public property," so yes, it will be de-facto communism.
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Skepsikyma
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3/24/2013 9:41:33 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
A resource-based economy, I think, a la Jacque Fresco.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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3/24/2013 11:26:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think it would be capitalist still. After all if there is limitless resources, there is no need for social sharing either, you just own and consumed resource as mush as you pleased and then stop until you feel the need again. I would said that is pretty capitalistic without the need to work, may be it will become the world where only work available is artist and thinker, to provide what is worth more than physical resource.

Human desire is limitless anyway.
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3/24/2013 8:26:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/24/2013 8:36:17 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
There is no such thing as post-scarcity. At the very least, time is always scarce. Also, no two entities can occupy the exact same space and experience the exact same sensations. In this sense, space is scarce as well.

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