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Jifpop09
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4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1.

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1.

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1.

2.

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.
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4/26/2014 9:54:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 9:12:39 PM, AnonCastillo wrote:
I would be willing to play for the libertarian team

No problem, but be expected to debate
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4/26/2014 9:55:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 9:52:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I may be on board...

Of course your in. BTW, Sadolite is talking about how monetary policy doesn't work. Hoping you could talk to him
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4/26/2014 10:00:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 9:55:16 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:52:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I may be on board...

Of course your in. BTW, Sadolite is talking about how monetary policy doesn't work. Hoping you could talk to him

That guy's a piece of work. I saw him invoking Peter Schiff not long ago -- who's a plutocratic charlatan if I've ever seen one. I can't use the phrase "brainwashed zombie" because of the new policy, but you get the point.

What's funny also is that libertarians love to invoke Milton Friedman, who loved monetary expansion, and blamed the contraction in the money supply from 1929-1932 for the depression, and who hated Hayek's "let prices bottom out" view.

But on another note, monetary policy doesn't work right now because of zero bound interest rates. But that would contradict his "inflation is a thing!" narrative, so he won't tell you that. Or he just doesn't understand. Yeah, let's go with that. Libertarian ideology is appealing to many because it's so palatable -- just disregard nuance and stick to a few platitudes, and you've got the whole world figured out.

Ok, my rant is over.
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4/26/2014 10:04:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:00:49 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:55:16 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:52:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I may be on board...

Of course your in. BTW, Sadolite is talking about how monetary policy doesn't work. Hoping you could talk to him

That guy's a piece of work. I saw him invoking Peter Schiff not long ago -- who's a plutocratic charlatan if I've ever seen one. I can't use the phrase "brainwashed zombie" because of the new policy, but you get the point.

What's funny also is that libertarians love to invoke Milton Friedman, who loved monetary expansion, and blamed the contraction in the money supply from 1929-1932 for the depression, and who hated Hayek's "let prices bottom out" view.

But on another note, monetary policy doesn't work right now because of zero bound interest rates. But that would contradict his "inflation is a thing!" narrative, so he won't tell you that. Or he just doesn't understand. Yeah, let's go with that. Libertarian ideology is appealing to many because it's so palatable -- just disregard nuance and stick to a few platitudes, and you've got the whole world figured out.

Ok, my rant is over.

Like your rant. As for monetary policy, its not always related to interest rates. Any form of market control used to influence a beneficial investment or policy by a corporation, is technically Monetary.

Keynes mostly advocated interest rate control, so many people forget the full definition (Of course you know though).
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4/26/2014 10:07:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:04:11 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:00:49 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:55:16 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 9:52:39 PM, progressivedem22 wrote:
I may be on board...

Of course your in. BTW, Sadolite is talking about how monetary policy doesn't work. Hoping you could talk to him

That guy's a piece of work. I saw him invoking Peter Schiff not long ago -- who's a plutocratic charlatan if I've ever seen one. I can't use the phrase "brainwashed zombie" because of the new policy, but you get the point.

What's funny also is that libertarians love to invoke Milton Friedman, who loved monetary expansion, and blamed the contraction in the money supply from 1929-1932 for the depression, and who hated Hayek's "let prices bottom out" view.

But on another note, monetary policy doesn't work right now because of zero bound interest rates. But that would contradict his "inflation is a thing!" narrative, so he won't tell you that. Or he just doesn't understand. Yeah, let's go with that. Libertarian ideology is appealing to many because it's so palatable -- just disregard nuance and stick to a few platitudes, and you've got the whole world figured out.

Ok, my rant is over.

Like your rant. As for monetary policy, its not always related to interest rates. Any form of market control used to influence a beneficial investment or policy by a corporation, is technically Monetary.

Keynes mostly advocated interest rate control, so many people forget the full definition (Of course you know though).

It depends on how you define monetary. I'm speaking of monetary policy, which is set by the Fed, but the end result of which is determined largely by market reactions, yes, hence why QE right now is useless. So you have a point.

Keynes is an interesting figure on this subject, actually, because his position is actually embodied quite well by Robert Reich today: skepticism toward monetary expansion, but acceptance that raising rates would be disastrous.

And yeah, interest rates are pretty much the most efficient way to conduct monetary policy, though there are some other useful theories: neo-monetarists are for nominal GDP targeting, for instance. I think it's completely freakin' crazy, but it's a theory.
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4/26/2014 10:46:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:38:43 PM, jzonda415 wrote:
If this actually is going to happen, I could be talked into being on the Right-Wing Economist team.

Not feeling this,. Your not that well known.
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4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1.

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2.

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.
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4/27/2014 12:25:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:46:02 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:38:43 PM, jzonda415 wrote:
If this actually is going to happen, I could be talked into being on the Right-Wing Economist team.

Not feeling this,. Your not that well known.

I am generally not the type to post regularly on the forms (mostly due to pathological shyness I experience when it comes to others on the internet, which I am slowly overcoming). I can debate effectively, though.

I understand either way you decide.
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4/28/2014 2:08:31 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:46:02 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:38:43 PM, jzonda415 wrote:
If this actually is going to happen, I could be talked into being on the Right-Wing Economist team.

Not feeling this,. Your not that well known.

He's been around for a year. He'd probably show up.
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4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1.

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.
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4/28/2014 2:13:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Warning, I'm not experienced at debating economics. I think you'd have a hard time finding a competent debator to take any of my positions though.
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4/28/2014 4:44:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
If by "left wing" you mean mainstream neo-keynsian economics that's the ideology that I agree with. High government spending and low taxes during a recessionary period. Lower government spending and low taxes during economic booms.
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4/28/2014 9:54:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1. Jzonda

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.
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4/28/2014 10:22:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 9:54:45 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1. Jzonda

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.

I'll debate for the libertarian side, if you permit. I haven't debated formally on economics on DDO yet, but I have a pretty sizable background.
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4/28/2014 10:23:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:22:54 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 4/28/2014 9:54:45 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1. Jzonda

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3.

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.


I'll debate for the libertarian side, if you permit. I haven't debated formally on economics on DDO yet, but I have a pretty sizable background.

No problem man
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Jifpop09
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4/28/2014 10:26:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:23:41 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:22:54 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 4/28/2014 9:54:45 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1. Jzonda

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3. Objectivity

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.


I'll debate for the libertarian side, if you permit. I haven't debated formally on economics on DDO yet, but I have a pretty sizable background.

No problem man
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Benshapiro
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4/28/2014 6:18:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'll join left-wing if you consider neo-keynsian economics a leftist economic policy. How do tournaments work though? I've never been in one.

I'm also wondering why you didn't just structure the tournament around economic schools of thought. Chicago, Keynsian, Austrian, and Monetarist schools of thought would've been better.
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4/29/2014 12:30:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:37:54 PM, Chimera wrote:
Define 'Authoritarian' economics.

Any economic philosophy on the upper part of the spectrum. Such as Fascism or Controlled Free Market governments
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4/29/2014 12:31:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 6:18:21 PM, Benshapiro wrote:
I'll join left-wing if you consider neo-keynsian economics a leftist economic policy. How do tournaments work though? I've never been in one.

I'm also wondering why you didn't just structure the tournament around economic schools of thought. Chicago, Keynsian, Austrian, and Monetarist schools of thought would've been better.

Simply to many schools of thoughts for realistic teams, and most people don't know the difference between them.
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4/29/2014 12:34:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/29/2014 12:30:27 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:37:54 PM, Chimera wrote:
Define 'Authoritarian' economics.

Any economic philosophy on the upper part of the spectrum. Such as Fascism or Controlled Free Market governments

Ah. Thought you were referring to Marxian Economics, guess not.

Good luck to whoever tries to defend fascism, lol.
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4/29/2014 12:35:18 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/29/2014 12:34:15 AM, Chimera wrote:
At 4/29/2014 12:30:27 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:37:54 PM, Chimera wrote:
Define 'Authoritarian' economics.

Any economic philosophy on the upper part of the spectrum. Such as Fascism or Controlled Free Market governments

Ah. Thought you were referring to Marxian Economics, guess not.

Good luck to whoever tries to defend fascism, lol.

Honestly, a lot of groups are fascist. They no longer choose to use the word "Fascist" though.
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4/29/2014 1:51:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/28/2014 10:26:00 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:23:41 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 10:22:54 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 4/28/2014 9:54:45 AM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/28/2014 2:10:07 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/26/2014 10:46:31 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
At 4/26/2014 8:01:25 PM, Jifpop09 wrote:
Welcome to my rather small economics tournament! Very simple,. Contestants will be divided into teams by economical ideology, and wee will have a match up to see which team is left standing.. Sign up for your team here. Don't worry, I wont let in people who aren't experienced in this area....

Left Wing Economists

1. ProgressiveDem

2.

3.

Right Wing Economists

1. Jzonda

2.

3.

Libertarian Economists

1. AnonCastillo

2. Wylted

3. Objectivity

Authoritarian Economists

1.

2.


I'll debate for the libertarian side, if you permit. I haven't debated formally on economics on DDO yet, but I have a pretty sizable background.

No problem man
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5/5/2014 6:16:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I would suggest a "status quo" group, but I doubt anyone would join it.

I was expecting more liberal/progressive economists, though, and maybe a communist for the authoritarian spectrum. I guess us libertarians are just overrepresented among people who pay attention to the economy. ^_^
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5/5/2014 11:11:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/5/2014 6:16:49 PM, storytimewithjesus wrote:

I was expecting more liberal/progressive economists, though, and maybe a communist for the authoritarian spectrum. I guess us libertarians are just overrepresented among people who pay attention to the economy. ^_^

Were you in the camp that predicted high inflation and skyrocketing interest rates? Because the Austrians did, and they still to this day haven't admitted to being wrong -- not just wrong, but embarrassingly so. So, no, please don't pontificate on this as though you're in some way holier than thou.