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Why do people choose the U.S over Canada?

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4/24/2015 8:38:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I realize Canada is pretty much ranked higher in pretty much everything, so why do people still choose the U.S?
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4/27/2015 9:14:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/24/2015 8:38:26 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I realize Canada is pretty much ranked higher in pretty much everything, so why do people still choose the U.S?

Prove it.
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4/27/2015 9:19:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Life Expectancy
Happiness
Better immigration System
Free Healthcare.

These things are generally geared towards immigrats, but people choose the U.S. So I'm wondering why they choose the U.S. We are amazing in our own way, so I'm just curious.
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4/27/2015 9:29:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:19:13 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Life Expectancy

I can see this; less pollution.

Happiness

I can see this too. I would love it if I lived in a place with great open outdoor areas. However, many people would choose America over this, as there are more job opportunities and places to go and blow our life-savings in our Capitalistic society.

Better immigration System

America's is better (and easier), by far; all you have to do is hop the fence. XD

Seriously, though. This is true; Canada doesn't have to worry about illegal aliens coming in and 1) taking jobs, 2) increasing illegal drug and substance trade, 3) increasing smuggling rates, and 4) increasing crime rates in highly populated areas.

Free Healthcare.

I see this as rather Socialist, as well as many of the other Conservative Republicans, so we are naturally inclined to disagree with this and choose America.


These things are generally geared towards immigrats, but people choose the U.S. So I'm wondering why they choose the U.S. We are amazing in our own way, so I'm just curious.

True; they are geared more towards immigrants. You still failed to prove it, though. XD
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4/27/2015 9:30:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm in class right now, so I don't have time to look for sources. Ill do it later. But, you can search for yourself, its on the internet.
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4/27/2015 9:38:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:30:24 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'm in class right now, so I don't have time to look for sources. Ill do it later. But, you can search for yourself, its on the internet.

OK.
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4/28/2015 3:55:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/24/2015 8:38:26 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I realize Canada is pretty much ranked higher in pretty much everything, so why do people still choose the U.S?

Being a Canadian, I can't imagine ever wanting to move to the U.S.

Maybe people think it's super cold here all the time, even though it's pretty exaggerated.
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4/28/2015 4:13:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I actually grew up in Mississauga, so I believe I have a good evidence to formulate an opinion.

Let me list a few positives and negatives of both countries

Positives for Canada (applies to Ontario mostly)
Less religious
Don't hate gays (as much)
Clean open air
School curriculum is one of the best
Driving starts at 16
Immigration system is amazing
Is less violent (compared to U.S)
Good Healthcare

Negatives for Canada
Treats immigrants differently (not saying racist, but they don't really look at you as Canadian)
National Security( read Ottawa parliament shooting)
Everything is expensive
Sucks at pretty much all sports (hockey an exception)
Healthcare is sufficient, but the wait times are ridiculous.

Factors that didn't matter to me
Guns
Weather
Metric/Imperial System
Racism (both very tolerant)

Positives of the U.S
Easier to get job
Patriotism
National security (even with all the stuff thats happening in the middle east, America is very safe)
Less taxes
Better funded schools
Better universities
Everything is cheap
U.S embassy (In my opinion the best embassy in the world. I literally have my back covered if I get arrested abroad

Negatives of the U.S
Relgious ( a large % are too religious)
Violence (really violent in some areas)
It's Social benefits are a bit lacking
Generally, there are more idiots in the U.S
Travelling as an American can be dangerous, America has a lot of enemies
School curriculum, one of the worst in the developed world.

I might have missed some, so please comment if there were some more important ones.
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7/17/2015 4:54:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Humans survived as a species because they are hesitant in reaction, or they think things out(sometimes overthink). Nevertheless, this trait kept our early forefathers alive.
Having said that, I myself have considered Canada. Randy Quaid that played Eddie in Christmas Vacation with Chevy Chase fled to Canada to protect himself. I don't recall his whole exact situation without googling it, but do remember him moving there as a better option than staying in the U.S. or getting some needed protection as a Canadian.
Everything I have enquired on tells me Canada is better. The U.S. has gotten so paranoid with its laws that it has taken away freedom, which was once its golden quality above other nations.
U.S. drug policy is outrageous, and Canada has no pre employment drug testing policies even comparable to the U.S., which I admire, not because I wish to go get high, but because I respect the rights of the citizen above the power of the law. When the law overpowers freedom, it is unethical and needs abolished or changed. Drug testing policy in America violate the 4th Amendment. Michigan and Florida supreme courts have already ruled this way, but no other states have any such ruling as of now. Urine tests violate the basic right to privacy and violate religious freedom. What "holy god" would approve of the handling and examining of human waste?
The tests aren't reliable. Many tests give false positives. Study after study after study prove this 100%. This fact makes mandatory drug testing a gross violation of basic human rights and is appauling. A false positive not only denies you the job, but stains your record, and can prevent you from getting future jobs. This freakshow that we call U.S. drug testing policy is one of the many hypocrisies of our "demcracy" that has made the U.S. not a nation to be envied but a nation of people to be pitied.
I digress.
Why haven't I moved? Because I was born in the U.S. and don't know of the complications or concerns(if any) of simply moving to Canada. Is it easy to gain citizenship? Could I get a job? Would there be complications getting a place to rent or buy? It's the unknown. That's the only thing that has ever stopped me from jumping the border to get some of my basic freedoms back.
Ignoring problems doesn't make them go away.
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7/17/2015 5:55:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I know Canadians. I know. The long wait for a doctor right? Would you rather wait or pay $175 just to be looked at the other day. Nothing was wrong with me. No diagnosis. No script. Bill: $175
Deal the wait. It's better than u might know. The grass isn't always greener. At least someone will see you if you have no money. Just sayin.
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7/17/2015 6:05:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Canada reminds me of the U.S. in the 1970's and early 1980's before it all just got too big and the knowledge of how to effectively manipulate corporate power and game the system was built on and passed on until the laws were obstacles to coruption that could be wiggled around instead of true barriers to corruption.
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7/17/2015 9:31:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:19:13 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Life Expectancy

Unrelated to government policies

Happiness

Because we are fat and wish we were in shape

Better immigration System

1, 2, 3, 4 close the border shut the door

Free Healthcare.

LOL




These things are generally geared towards immigrats, but people choose the U.S. So I'm wondering why they choose the U.S. We are amazing in our own way, so I'm just curious.
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7/17/2015 9:32:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:29:08 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 4/27/2015 9:19:13 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
Life Expectancy

I can see this; less pollution.

Happiness

I can see this too. I would love it if I lived in a place with great open outdoor areas. However, many people would choose America over this, as there are more job opportunities and places to go and blow our life-savings in our Capitalistic society.

Better immigration System

America's is better (and easier), by far; all you have to do is hop the fence. XD

Seriously, though. This is true; Canada doesn't have to worry about illegal aliens coming in and 1) taking jobs, 2) increasing illegal drug and substance trade, 3) increasing smuggling rates, and 4) increasing crime rates in highly populated areas.


(1) They don't hurt the job market
(2) They are the least likely group to commit crimes
(3) See (2)
(4) Immigration has been shown to decrease crime, lol.

Free Healthcare.

I see this as rather Socialist, as well as many of the other Conservative Republicans, so we are naturally inclined to disagree with this and choose America.

... And because their healthcare is worse?




These things are generally geared towards immigrats, but people choose the U.S. So I'm wondering why they choose the U.S. We are amazing in our own way, so I'm just curious.

True; they are geared more towards immigrants. You still failed to prove it, though. XD
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7/17/2015 9:40:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/28/2015 4:13:56 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
I actually grew up in Mississauga, so I believe I have a good evidence to formulate an opinion.

Let me list a few positives and negatives of both countries


Positives for Canada (applies to Ontario mostly)
Less religious

... A lot of immigrants are religious

Don't hate gays (as much)

... Most Hispanic immigrants are against gay marriage. Plus, your religious freedom is super dumb. Your country has arrested people for opposing SSM, which is just dumb.

Clean open air

We have that too?

School curriculum is one of the best

Being ranked higher doesn't mean much. The differences in rankings are usually extremely small. And we have MUCH MUCH better higher education. I mean you have good schools, but we rek you overall.

Driving starts at 16

It starts at 15 in my state, scrub

Immigration system is amazing

lol, I don't know much about it, but if it was so good you would have more immigrants. :P

Is less violent (compared to U.S)

Depends on where you are.

Good Healthcare

LOL. That is why your doctors move here to practice, right? Why you have shortages of machinery, longer wait times, higher taxes, and worse healthcare. Don't take my word for it, take theirs: http://www.nber.org...



Negatives for Canada
Treats immigrants differently (not saying racist, but they don't really look at you as Canadian)
National Security( read Ottawa parliament shooting)
Everything is expensive
Sucks at pretty much all sports (hockey an exception)
Healthcare is sufficient, but the wait times are ridiculous.


Factors that didn't matter to me
Guns
Weather
Metric/Imperial System
Racism (both very tolerant)


Wouldn't that matter to some people? Especially weather and firearm ownership.



Positives of the U.S
Easier to get job
Patriotism
National security (even with all the stuff thats happening in the middle east, America is very safe)
Less taxes
Better funded schools
Better universities
Everything is cheap
U.S embassy (In my opinion the best embassy in the world. I literally have my back covered if I get arrested abroad

Negatives of the U.S
Relgious ( a large % are too religious)

.......... Many immigrants are religious. Plus, this isn't even a negative.

Violence (really violent in some areas)
It's Social benefits are a bit lacking

Social programs are dumb anyway. NIT and EITC programs are the way to go.

Generally, there are more idiots in the U.S

We have more people, lol. And America actually has a slightly higher average IQ.
http://www.statisticbrain.com...

Travelling as an American can be dangerous, America has a lot of enemies

We rek dem m8

School curriculum, one of the worst in the developed world.

The rankings that you are thinking of are super innacurate



I might have missed some, so please comment if there were some more important ones.
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7/19/2015 2:47:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
1. It's ridiculously cold in Canada. To illustrate my point, according to Wikipedia, in Vancouver Island (located near Washington State) generally stays above 32 degrees in January and reaches a maximum of about 90 degrees in the hottest day of summer...and this is a very warm place by Canadian standards. If you lived in the southern part of Canada the temperature would be bearable, I suppose (and that's where most Canadians live).

2. "Free" healthcare is never actually free; somebody must pay for it. It'd likely be paid for in high taxes, or by cutting spending in other areas. Or, the "free healthcare" would receive a small amount of funding and be of low quality.

3. The average person's GDP in Canada is mildly lower than it is in the United States.

4. Would they be able to sustain themselves with a tripled population? No offense to Canadians, but their country has a population of about 20 million people for a reason.
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