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Whats wrong with Communism?

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6/22/2015 6:02:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

What aspect?
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6/23/2015 1:53:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/22/2015 6:02:20 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

What aspect?
All of it, I guess.
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6/23/2015 2:46:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/23/2015 1:53:27 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 6/22/2015 6:02:20 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

What aspect?
All of it, I guess.

The economics aspect since it's in the econ forum?
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6/23/2015 2:49:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/23/2015 2:46:24 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/23/2015 1:53:27 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 6/22/2015 6:02:20 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

What aspect?
All of it, I guess.

The economics aspect since it's in the econ forum?
Yeah
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6/23/2015 2:53:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/23/2015 2:49:55 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 6/23/2015 2:46:24 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/23/2015 1:53:27 PM, XLAV wrote:
At 6/22/2015 6:02:20 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

What aspect?
All of it, I guess.

The economics aspect since it's in the econ forum?
Yeah

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6/23/2015 3:03:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

First of all, it has a bad rap because of the Soviet Union and similar First Cold War communist states. Not only was the Soviet economic system horribly inefficient, but the regime committed horrific human rights abuses. Virtually all communist states established during the First Cold War were like this. Such human rights abuses did in people's minds become associated with communism.
That's why it's widely hated, especially by Conservatives. Christians often hate it because the communist states of the First Cold War brutally repressed religion.

However, this doesn't explain why Communism in itself is necessarily bad. After all, there's nothing magical about communism that requires communist regimes to be brutal or Inefficient.
So instead let's examine a hypothetical ideal communist state. It would be without Government, and there would be no private property, everybody owning everything.

In my opinion "ideal" communism is thoroughly proven faulty by taking a trip to your average public restroom.
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6/23/2015 3:10:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

Morally, I see nothing wrong with it because I don't believe in objective morality.

Practically, I think it would be too difficult to instate, because it's a utopian political end rather than a means to an end. Communism (as a system rather than as an ideology), requires the following conditions for it to be fully functional:

-No property (no conditions being enforced on material goods)
-No state/government (and thus no property)
-Economic equality (applying to all people)
-No "exploitation" of workers
-No social classes

Essentially, a perfect society of equals who are also friends. It seems hard to believe this coming about to people like myself, and for good reason why. I see problems in communism as a system due to its rather utopian conditions for functioning. Communism requires full participation and free association as well as equality, which is not supposed to be enforced.

That's for communism as a system. In regards to the ideology... well... there are so many different forms of communist ideology that I feel I can't speak for them all. The communist revolutions of the past (the ones that created, for instance, the USSR and North Korea) were, for the overwhelming majority of them, based on the doctrine of Marxism-Leninism, which many people I meet mistakenly believe speaks for all communist ideologies.

Marxism-Leninism says that, when the workers rebel against the capitalists who put them at a disadvantage, the first stage of worker control over the means of production will be despotic, with a "vanguard party" having control over the economy until democratization of the economy could begin, with no capitalists to "subvert" it. Perhaps the very nature of various "vanguard parties" in the past, like the Bolsheviks, were the reason for the undemocratic natures of states in the "Communist Bloc". Those states never progressed to the socialism phase as Karl Marx said they would, or the final, utopian, anarchic end phase known as communism (communist leaders notably criticized the lack of practicality in Karl Marx's ideas).

Hope that helps. I'm not a communist (anymore) but I hope that will do.
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6/28/2015 6:39:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Forced equality would take away many of the incentives for working hard. It is as simple as that.

Think about it this way: knowing you would never be able to attain a higher standard of living than anyone else, no matter how hard you worked, because everyone would benefit equally from the work of every single individual in the system, how hard would you work? How hard would Steve Jobs have worked? How hard would Bill Gates have worked?

I suppose that there are ways to get around this... But I can't see such a system ever being implemented successfully.
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8/28/2015 5:32:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Being a Communist does have something with Economics. Communist want the government to have major control in economic sectors. Where as compared to Libertarianism, they want no regulation of the economy.

Communist also believe the government should promote economic equality. Whereas compared to Libertarianism's, they believe in "Total economic and social liberty".
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8/28/2015 10:30:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

Same thing that is wrong with socialism, why work? You get paid either way.
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8/28/2015 10:32:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/28/2015 10:30:28 PM, Lee308 wrote:
At 6/22/2015 12:37:10 PM, XLAV wrote:
Can someone explain.

Same thing that is wrong with socialism, why work? You get paid either way.

Well there is the problem of running out of other peoples money, Just ask Valenzuela.